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Falcon Troy
Caldari State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.07.14 21:25:00 -
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There's nothing wrong with using frigates. However, you to be truly viable in any sort of PVP operations, you're going to want to move to Tech 2 frigates. This means flying: Stealth Bombers, Covert Ops, Interceptors, Electronic Attack, and Assault Frigates. _____________ Hai. |
Grann Thefauto
Minmatar Running with Knives
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Posted - 2008.07.14 21:31:00 -
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I love t1 frigs personally. They're way underrated when flown and fitted well in fleets, especially if used for EWar or anti-tackler support. You won't be getting much glory, but you sure as heck will be having more fun than most.
Also: Stealth Bombers.
In the big militia fleets that I've flown in recently, I've started to have BS's and cruisers go after me now because I keep taking out their jammers and EWar ships. Fun stuff with a little ship like that starts getting all the attention.
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Joe Starbreaker
AnTi. Atrocitas
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Posted - 2008.07.14 21:57:00 -
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Originally by: Merin Ryskin Why would you ever fly a T1 frigate over an interceptor, outside of suicide tackling?
Because they're cheap. Second reason: you can pick up the blueprints pretty cheap and make hundreds of them out of scraps wherever you need them. You don't have to go all the way to Jita from deepest 0.0 every time you lose one.
TBH why would anybody fly an interceptor over a max-skilled Rifter, except for showing off?
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Joe Starbreaker
AnTi. Atrocitas
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Posted - 2008.07.14 22:05:00 -
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Originally by: Shiodome erm, i read it as the OP wanting to stay with Frigates (of all kinds), and not wanting to move up a hull size (to cruiser+). so that includes inties/EAF/SB/AF ...
Don't forget faction frigates, pirate frigates, and destroyers (frigates-and-a-half, really). I calculated once there are about 70 frigates in EVE:
4 mining frigates 4 astrometric frigates 4 T1 e-war frigates 4 speedy fighting frigates 4 gunnery frigates 4 missile frigates 8 interceptors 8 assault ships 4 electronic attack ships 4 covert ops frigates 4 stealth bombers 4 navy frigates 5 pirate frigates 4 destroyers 4 interdictors === 69 frigates
Damn this game needs more frigates, sixty-nine just isn't enough!
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Xavier Maroquin
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Posted - 2008.07.15 02:24:00 -
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Originally by: Boozbaz
Originally by: H Lecter
Originally by: NateX if you wanna fly t1 frigs to fleet, then join the goons!
Velators are sufficient:
Velator Blob vid on youtube
Wow. Loved it <3
Hahahaha!
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aak88
Caldari CORE Elements Tread Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.15 07:14:00 -
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To the OP, my alliance and corp like to go on suicide ganks with a bunch of t1 frigs. Loads of fun killing battleships and battlecruisers with a gang of them!
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Nian Banks
Minmatar Berserkers of Aesir
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Posted - 2008.07.15 07:26:00 -
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If you max out all frigate and destroyer spaceship command skills, you top just over 8.5M skillpoints. You won't run out of skills to train for a while.
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Rellana
DAB THE VILLAGE PE0PLE
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Posted - 2008.07.15 10:21:00 -
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Personally I love using stealth bombers in gangs with heavy Dictor support.Nothing beats seeing 30 bombs of the same damage type explode at once.. |
RayBanJockey
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Posted - 2008.07.15 10:46:00 -
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Originally by: Nian Banks If you max out all frigate and destroyer spaceship command skills, you top just over 8.5M skillpoints. You won't run out of skills to train for a while.
Actually the frigate piloting skills are more or less the same as for cruisers or battleships ie. you want all the navigation/gunnery skills etc etc... after having perfect frig flying skills the step to having perfect cruiser or BS skills is remarkably short.
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Kano Sekor
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2008.07.15 10:47:00 -
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To answer the question you will leave it to fly your pod however reluctant you are to leaving.
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Falcon Troy
Caldari State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.07.15 11:02:00 -
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Originally by: Rellana Personally I love using stealth bombers in gangs with heavy Dictor support.Nothing beats seeing 30 bombs of the same damage type explode at once..
I'm decently sure the max bombs of one type that would survive each other is 4. _____________ Hai. |
Ka Jolo
Ministry of Destruction Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.16 21:02:00 -
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Originally by: Fedir Tunesmith I have really taken to Frigates especially the Kestrel class and don't have an urge to replace it with anything or moving up to a bigger class. Am I bottlenecking myself by staying with a frigate or do they maintain some fairly decent viability in 0.0 situations?
I've yet to see a fleet commander in 0.0 get excited about having a T1 frigate along, even a Griffin or some other niche-fit frigate; there's typically some other ship that would fill the role better.
However, if you're having fun in a T1 frigate, then by all means stay in T1 frigates; the whole point of playing a game is to have fun. The skills you'll be training to enhance your T1-frigate-flying will pay off; people don't expect frigates to be highly skilled. Not only that, but those skills will help you when and if you do move on. So get those "support skills" trained while you're having fun (e.g. navigation, engineering, electronics), train up those combat skills (e.g. drones, missiles, gunnery), and when you do move to an interceptor or a cruiser you'll be ahead of most other pilots starting out in those classes.
Some people specialize in frigates, including interceptors, EWAR frigates, covert ops, stealth bombers, assault frigates, etc., because they gain breadth without having to just train larger.
Bottom line: if it's fun, do it. No point being cookie-cut if it's not as fun for you.
Your Money or Your Life: the journal of a space pirate
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Xindi Kraid
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.07.16 22:10:00 -
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Say when the Alliance tournament was going on did you notice that several battles had multiple griffons in them?
I seem to recall those few griffons causing hell for the other team --Bird of Prey: Forum God
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Gark32
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.07.17 01:51:00 -
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Originally by: Joe Starbreaker
Originally by: Shiodome erm, i read it as the OP wanting to stay with Frigates (of all kinds), and not wanting to move up a hull size (to cruiser+). so that includes inties/EAF/SB/AF ...
Don't forget faction frigates, pirate frigates, and destroyers (frigates-and-a-half, really). I calculated once there are about 70 frigates in EVE:
4 mining frigates 4 astrometric frigates 4 T1 e-war frigates 4 speedy fighting frigates 4 gunnery frigates 4 missile frigates 8 interceptors 8 assault ships 4 electronic attack ships 4 covert ops frigates 4 stealth bombers 4 navy frigates 5 pirate frigates 4 destroyers 4 interdictors === 69 frigates
Damn this game needs more frigates, sixty-nine just isn't enough!
it's 73, you forgot noobships. ________________________________________________
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2008.07.17 02:50:00 -
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Originally by: Xindi Kraid Say when the Alliance tournament was going on did you notice that several battles had multiple griffons in them?
I seem to recall those few griffons causing hell for the other team
Yes, and you know why? Because the alliance tournament has a point cap on the size of ships you can bring, and Griffins are fewer points than Falcons, therefore you get more ECM modules for the same points. In real PvP, there is no limit on what ships you're allowed to bring to a fight, and a Blackbird will always be much better than a Griffin if you don't have the skills for a Falcon. Even a Kitsune, with all its flaws, would be better than a useless Griffin.
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Felix Dzerzhinsky
Caldari Wreckless Abandon Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.07.17 06:23:00 -
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Originally by: Darriele Edited by: Darriele on 14/07/2008 08:35:12
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Darriele Till now (in 2 months) using T2 nanoed Rifter - kills/losses 96/22 which is good imo. But anyway, soon ill change on an inty.
It's far more informative to keep up with ISK damaged/lost. Well, as far as stat whoring. ;-)
-Liang
:P 650mil inflicted / 50mil lost , and yea, im a stat ***** :D
EDIT: close to the truth
Then someone else is putting their isk on the line to actually kill anything. . . ----
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Kyra Felann
Gallente Noctis Fleet Technologies
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Posted - 2008.07.17 07:26:00 -
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I don't think you'd ever wish you hadn't spent that time working on your frigate-related skills. You can always move up if you want, and if you do, you'll probably be better off from having spent that time just using frigates.
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Felix Dzerzhinsky
Caldari Wreckless Abandon Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.07.17 09:46:00 -
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The reality for 0.0 alliances - that means, I have no idea what FW is about in reality and pve is not pvp in my book - the frigate size is pretty much interceptors only. Now the cruiser class presents a lot more promise for the combat pilot because hacs, recons and HICs are all very very good. But lets face it, a Kessy or a Rifter is simply a lag generator and I know for one, we would not tolerate it. Goonswarm used to be famous for their massive frigate blobs, but at the same time, T2 mods were very expensive and there were not a lot of t2 cruiser options then. . .the game has however developed the cruiser line quite well and nostalgia aside, I would think almost everyone would want to move into these sizes asap.
So this thread must be a troll. . . ----
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H Lecter
Gallente The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2008.07.17 10:51:00 -
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Originally by: Felix Dzerzhinsky I would think almost everyone would want to move into these sizes asap.
Sure cruisersized ships are fun to fly. But the frigate class is the more affordable option when you are still quite new to pvp and want to solo a bit.
You can escape a gate camp in a ceptor, but you will have a tough time getting your Ishtar through due to lower speed and higher sig radius. And when both blow up, which they will most surely do at one point, you are looking at less than a tenth of the loss with the ceptor.
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Dheorl
Surge. NIght's Dawn
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Posted - 2008.07.17 11:00:00 -
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I personally love frigs and unless you are doing lowsec gate work you can easily get use out of them as long as you want.
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Felix Dzerzhinsky
Caldari Wreckless Abandon Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.07.17 11:53:00 -
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Originally by: H Lecter
Originally by: Felix Dzerzhinsky I would think almost everyone would want to move into these sizes asap.
Sure cruisersized ships are fun to fly. But the frigate class is the more affordable option when you are still quite new to pvp and want to solo a bit.
You can escape a gate camp in a ceptor, but you will have a tough time getting your Ishtar through due to lower speed and higher sig radius. And when both blow up, which they will most surely do at one point, you are looking at less than a tenth of the loss with the ceptor.
Except you do **** poor dps, have practically no use outside of tackling (and not as well as an interceptor) and you are relying on your gang mates to cover the isk loss if things go south. I for one would simply pop the frig and keep the lag down. . . ----
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Dheorl
Surge. NIght's Dawn
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Posted - 2008.07.17 11:59:00 -
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Hang on, are we talking about t1 frigs here or t2 as well?
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H Lecter
Gallente The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2008.07.17 12:10:00 -
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Maybe I did not point out well enough that I include T2 types as well in my statement.
When it comes to T1 frigs - yes, in most cases they are useless in pvp. My Taranis, however, does quite decent damage. T2 frigs have their role in PVP and they fill it quite well imho.
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