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Stinky Poo
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Posted - 2008.07.14 15:33:00 -
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I need some help..... i need a new pc, as my present one is slowing down and making some hellish noises when i boot it up and if i open for example eve and a spread sheet i can loose a good few minutes of staring at nothing but a blank screen.
So my requirements are for this pc are as follows....
To play eve (intended use for this machine as my old comp will do other things like web browse and spread sheets nice if i could use the upgraded client but not a must- unless ccp will make that a standard thing some point soon)
Big enough hard drive so i can fit pictures of family on there (as my current pc is looking grim one day soon it might not start up and i might loose what i have on there)
Ideally would last me a good 3-4 years with upgrading memory and graphix card at later dates(as thats all i know how to do on pc's)
My budget is ú300 - from the uk (i know its small but it all i have maybe stretch another ú50 if the performance and other things is that much better)(i dont need a screen/keyboard/mouse)
I cant build pc's its just too mind boggling for me so please dont tell me i should build one i know i should but its outta my league.(altough i would probably get something better for my money, if i did build one i would probably start the thing up to a blank screen or something along the line of that and be miffed as i woulnt know where to start to fix the issue)
Any recommended websites? with special deals?
Is vista that bad i hear some not good things about it. i have xp now but i think if i buy one say this week 99% chance it will have vista or am i wrong?
Please stick with my budget if you can dont go building a dream machine, like i recently did on alienware.com and cried when i looked at the final total.
So in a nut shell 300 quid for a eve machine and store photo's, no builds and future proof for atleast 3-4 years.
Thanks in advance, will post again if i missed any important information, or some questions are asked.
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Ademaro Imre
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Posted - 2008.07.14 15:40:00 -
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Use separate USB hard drives for such picture storage, because you you will want to back them up also. My camera produces 9Mb RAW images plus the counterpart 3MB .jpg images per image. You can fill up a drive fast if you were to get a larger mp digital camera.
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Posted - 2008.07.14 16:19:00 -
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300 pounds isnt much to work with mate, may i suggest extra hours at work or another part time job to increase the monies available, you wont get anything with even ú350 imo.
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The TX
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Earth Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.14 16:26:00 -
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There's no such thing as a future-proof PC for ú300 imo, if you're spending ú600 or more, then you can probably go without much more than a RAM upgrade within a coupla years perhaps.
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Eternal Error
Exitus Acta Probant
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Posted - 2008.07.14 16:42:00 -
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300 pounds and not building it yourself won't happen. I'd say even for building it yourself 500 pounds would be baseline.
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Daelorn
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.07.14 17:28:00 -
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Basically what everyone else said, save up a little and then get one. Even when you do that it will not be future proofed. Building a computer is easy once you select your parts. You know that game for babies that give you a bunch of shapes and slots to fit them into? That's building a computer but with connectors. The most intimidating for me the first time was putting on the thermal paste onto the CPU.
But goodluck!
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Lyrus Associates
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.07.14 18:30:00 -
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Edited by: ReaperOfSly on 14/07/2008 18:30:51
Here you go.
It'll run Eve premium at okay-ish frame rates, and has a 250GB hard drive which is not to be sniffed at. But it won't be future proofed for 3 years - that can't be done for ú300.
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P'uck
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Posted - 2008.07.14 18:59:00 -
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Edited by: P''uck on 14/07/2008 19:00:58
Originally by: ReaperOfSly
Edited by: ReaperOfSly on 14/07/2008 18:30:51
Here you go.
It'll run Eve premium at okay-ish frame rates, and has a 250GB hard drive which is not to be sniffed at. But it won't be future proofed for 3 years - that can't be done for ú300.
That's comparable to the PC I "built" (ca 20 screws and plugging some cables) about 6 months ago for about that kind of money.
And it's pretty much what I wanted to point out. It's possible and it's a decent pc, and in a year or so I plan to get a real cheap 8800 or something. But it runs the premium client just fine, I can do my stuff (if the server lets me) in 150+ ship fleet battles. (with all the effects turned off  )
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Stinky Poo
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Posted - 2008.07.14 23:23:00 -
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OK thx for the replies so far, appreciate it.
I may have mis-worded it when i said furure proof, what i really meant to say was will this still be ok to play eve on in 2 - 3 years ? if i just bought some new memory and card at some point in the furure to keep it ticking over?
Thx for the pc linked by someone on post 6 or 7.... ill look into that a little more.
So my choices are if this ú300-350 wont get me anything to play eve on at reasonable performance are....
Spend more money? would 400 do it or am i looking at 500 as someone mentioned?
Building one and would i get something that will keep an average eve player for 3 years if i spent 300-350?
So there nothing for 350 out there then as that was my stretch?
Again thx for the help, although i feel a little deflated i cant get anything worth while for my cash.
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Eternal Error
Exitus Acta Probant
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Posted - 2008.07.15 00:15:00 -
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I would strongly advise waiting to save another few hundred pounds, although you could get away with something like has already been posted, but it is already out dated.
Also, I strongly advise you to learn to build your own computer. It is not as hard as you seem to think; it is simply expensive legos (people aren't kidding when they say everything only fits in one type of slot). If you need help, just ask questions here or on other computer forums. Just read a few articles and decide what parts you want to buy and you'll be good to go man. It ain't that hard.
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Lyrus Associates
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.07.15 09:18:00 -
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Originally by: Stinky Poo
OK thx for the replies so far, appreciate it.
I may have mis-worded it when i said furure proof, what i really meant to say was will this still be ok to play eve on in 2 - 3 years ? if i just bought some new memory and card at some point in the furure to keep it ticking over?
Thx for the pc linked by someone on post 6 or 7.... ill look into that a little more.
So my choices are if this ú300-350 wont get me anything to play eve on at reasonable performance are....
Spend more money? would 400 do it or am i looking at 500 as someone mentioned?
Building one and would i get something that will keep an average eve player for 3 years if i spent 300-350?
So there nothing for 350 out there then as that was my stretch?
Again thx for the help, although i feel a little deflated i cant get anything worth while for my cash.
Oh don't get me wrong - it'll play Eve very nicely. It's just that it uses pretty old hardware, so not future proofed.
By the way, if you are ever interested in building a computer, I could suggest this book. It's the one I read when I first built my computer, and it is very easy to understand and follow. Yes, I used to be terrified of building a computer too.
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Stinky Poo
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Posted - 2008.07.15 15:10:00 -
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Ok! so lets say i took the plunge to build one for 350 pounds, what would you reccomend? Starting with....
A - processor
B - G card
C - Motherboard
D - Hard drive
E - Sound card
F - Casing
G - other stuff i dont know that goes into computer like wires/cables/memory
Could it be done? To make a better pc then the one mentioned earlier? like i say future proofed i made a mistake there all i want is something that will last 3 or so years and have reasonable performance for eve with a good bit of space on the hard drive.
If not it looks like ill have to scrap buying/making one now and save some pennies more but that could tae some time and im unsure of how long my old pc will hold out.
Thx again for replies
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Lyrus Associates
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.07.15 16:10:00 -
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Originally by: Stinky Poo
Ok! so lets say i took the plunge to build one for 350 pounds, what would you reccomend? Starting with....
A - processor
B - G card
C - Motherboard
D - Hard drive
E - Sound card
F - Casing
G - other stuff i dont know that goes into computer like wires/cables/memory
Could it be done? To make a better pc then the one mentioned earlier? like i say future proofed i made a mistake there all i want is something that will last 3 or so years and have reasonable performance for eve with a good bit of space on the hard drive.
If not it looks like ill have to scrap buying/making one now and save some pennies more but that could tae some time and im unsure of how long my old pc will hold out.
Thx again for replies
Processor: Intel E2180 Core 2 Duo. 2GHz dual core for ú45.
Graphics: Radeon HD3850 for ú48 or 8600GT for ú43.
Motherboard: Low end Gigabyte P35 board for ú58. Should allow overclocking of that CPU well in excess of 3GHz (if that's your thing).
Hard drive: 250GB for ú32. I'd usually recommend less, but you requested lots of storage.
Sound card: not needed. The motherboard comes with a perfectly passable sound system integrated.
Casing: Galaxy 3 Case for ú30. Comes with a 450 power supply pre-installed. I have one myself, and the PSU was perfectly adequate despite being cheap.
Memory: 2GB of GeIL 800MHz RAM for ú32.
DVD drive will set you back about ú20. If you want wireless networking, a wireless card will cost about ú15.
That comes to ú243. So you have money left over to buy a decent sound card, or a better PSU, or better CPU heatsink (the CPU will come with a stock heatsink anyway). Or you could spend it on a bigger hard drive.
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Dmian
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Starline Engineering Corporation
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Posted - 2008.07.15 16:24:00 -
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This article might be of some help. It's for a ú400 gaming PC. If you get a cheaper graphic card and you already have the OS (or use Linux) you can easily get to the 300 price tag.
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Stinky Poo
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Posted - 2008.07.15 23:17:00 -
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Originally by: ReaperOfSly
Originally by: Stinky Poo
Ok! so lets say i took the plunge to build one for 350 pounds, what would you reccomend? Starting with....
A - processor
B - G card
C - Motherboard
D - Hard drive
E - Sound card
F - Casing
G - other stuff i dont know that goes into computer like wires/cables/memory
Could it be done? To make a better pc then the one mentioned earlier? like i say future proofed i made a mistake there all i want is something that will last 3 or so years and have reasonable performance for eve with a good bit of space on the hard drive.
If not it looks like ill have to scrap buying/making one now and save some pennies more but that could tae some time and im unsure of how long my old pc will hold out.
Thx again for replies
Processor: Intel E2180 Core 2 Duo. 2GHz dual core for ú45.
Graphics: Radeon HD3850 for ú48 or 8600GT for ú43.
Motherboard: Low end Gigabyte P35 board for ú58. Should allow overclocking of that CPU well in excess of 3GHz (if that's your thing).
Hard drive: 250GB for ú32. I'd usually recommend less, but you requested lots of storage.
Sound card: not needed. The motherboard comes with a perfectly passable sound system integrated.
Casing: Galaxy 3 Case for ú30. Comes with a 450 power supply pre-installed. I have one myself, and the PSU was perfectly adequate despite being cheap.
Memory: 2GB of GeIL 800MHz RAM for ú32.
DVD drive will set you back about ú20. If you want wireless networking, a wireless card will cost about ú15.
That comes to ú243. So you have money left over to buy a decent sound card, or a better PSU, or better CPU heatsink (the CPU will come with a stock heatsink anyway). Or you could spend it on a bigger hard drive.
Reaper thanks very much looks fantastic - makes they pc i have now look like a calculator!
Now psu would be what?
would this include cbles and everthing i need like power supply?
250gb is enough hard drive i would think for me,
so the next option if i wanted to make this a little better would be sound card or psu or the heatsink whatever that is.?
i would also need to buy windows xp or vista aswell would i not?
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Meiyang Lee
Gallente
Azteca Transportation Unlimited
Gunboat Diplomacy
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Posted - 2008.07.15 23:29:00 -
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Originally by: Stinky Poo
Reaper thanks very much looks fantastic - makes they pc i have now look like a calculator!
Now psu would be what?
would this include cbles and everthing i need like power supply?
250gb is enough hard drive i would think for me,
so the next option if i wanted to make this a little better would be sound card or psu or the heatsink whatever that is.?
i would also need to buy windows xp or vista aswell would i not?
PSU = Power Supply Unit 
Cables probably aren't included, SATA (HDD cables) usually aren't i think, i'm really not sure on the wide IDE cables for the optical drives.
Heatsink = Cooling thingy for the CPU. Usually a large block of aluminium or copper in a radiator arrangement that's cooled by the airflow from the fan installed on it. (and as long as you're not overclocking the CPU the version that comes with the CPU in the box will do just fine)
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Lyrus Associates
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.07.16 09:42:00 -
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Originally by: Meiyang Lee
Edited by: Meiyang Lee on 15/07/2008 23:38:19
Originally by: Stinky Poo
Reaper thanks very much looks fantastic - makes they pc i have now look like a calculator!
Now psu would be what?
would this include cbles and everthing i need like power supply?
250gb is enough hard drive i would think for me,
so the next option if i wanted to make this a little better would be sound card or psu or the heatsink whatever that is.?
i would also need to buy windows xp or vista aswell would i not?
PSU = Power Supply Unit
Cables probably aren't included, SATA (HDD cables) usually aren't i think, i'm really not sure on the wide IDE cables for the optical drives.
Heatsink = Cooling thingy for the CPU. Usually a large block of aluminium or copper in a radiator arrangement that's cooled by the airflow from the fan installed on it. (and as long as you're not overclocking the CPU the version that comes with the CPU in the box will do just fine)
You might want to invest in some better heat conductive paste for between the heatsink and the CPU though, as the stuff that's in a standard box usually isn't very good. (and it won't break the bank at 3-4 pounds)
Actually, I have a similar motherboard (same manufacturer and chipset) and it did come with all the cables needed. And he should probably use a SATA DVD drive instead of IDE anyway. Intel chipsets don't have problems with them. However, I did need to buy a molex-to-sata power adaptor for the power supply.
Stinky, yes. I forgot about the operating system. It might actually be worth trying to use the Windows install disk you already have - I used the same disk after an almost complete rebuild (including new motherboard) and it still activated online. If that doesn't work, you can try to activate by phone. Be sure to tell them that your old computer died, and they should send you an activation code. If not, then you'll have to buy a new disk if you don't want to be naughty.
Since you're new to building computers, I suggest you forget about overclocking for now, you can learn about that later if you're interested. So you don't need to worry about heat sinks or thermal paste. And that power supply is perfectly adequate for the system I described earlier.
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Stinky Poo
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Posted - 2008.07.16 11:02:00 -
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Thx again for posting guys..... Im 90% sure ill go for the build you own one reaper has posted.
Now just a couple more questions before i go ahead and purchase this thing from the links posted.
- the build your own one is better than the ready made one linked at the top page? Which im pretty sure it is.
- I understand - memory/hard drive/processor/G card/motherboard and case.
So from here i need to buy a SATA DVD DRIVE than a IDE DRIVE(this means nothing to me btw) and some power leads = PSU could you recomend some please or are they bog standard?
- There is nothing else i need to buy? So i attempt to fit this altogether and it should start up, because i dont want ú250-300 worth of stuff that wont start up.
I understand the windows operating system thing so i will jsut install old disk on new computer, and yeah overclocking thing im not interested. So i wount ned any of that paste and copper aluminium stuff am i right?
Sorry for asking again just wanna make sure everything is correct before i go ahead and do this, if i understand right so far ill be happy, so then i can move onto the next stage and be excited.
Thx for the time you guys have spend repling to me.
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Lyrus Associates
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.07.16 15:11:00 -
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Originally by: Stinky Poo
Thx again for posting guys..... Im 90% sure ill go for the build you own one reaper has posted.
Now just a couple more questions before i go ahead and purchase this thing from the links posted.
- the build your own one is better than the ready made one linked at the top page? Which im pretty sure it is.
- I understand - memory/hard drive/processor/G card/motherboard and case.
So from here i need to buy a SATA DVD DRIVE than a IDE DRIVE(this means nothing to me btw) and some power leads = PSU could you recomend some please or are they bog standard?
- There is nothing else i need to buy? So i attempt to fit this altogether and it should start up, because i dont want ú250-300 worth of stuff that wont start up.
I understand the windows operating system thing so i will jsut install old disk on new computer, and yeah overclocking thing im not interested. So i wount ned any of that paste and copper aluminium stuff am i right?
Sorry for asking again just wanna make sure everything is correct before i go ahead and do this, if i understand right so far ill be happy, so then i can move onto the next stage and be excited.
Thx for the time you guys have spend repling to me.
The build-your-own system has a better motherboard and a better power supply unit than the pre-built one (and a shinier looking case too). The rest of the components are comparable. However, with the build-your-own system, you'll automatically find out how to upgrade parts simply by the process of building it. So months down the line when you have more money, you can swap out parts for better ones. And you can also tweak the specs before you buy it. For example, if you have money left over, you can buy a HD3850 or 8800GT instead of a HD3650 graphics card.
Okay, DVD drive. Just get something like this one: 20x SATA drive. SATA and IDE are just interfaces between the drive and the rest of your system. SATA is the newer one, and can carry more data than the IDE one. The hard drive will use a SATA interface as well. As for cables, all you'll need is a single adaptor like this: molex to SATA power adaptor. As I said before, I have the power supply I linked myself. This was the only adaptor I needed.
But shop around. You'll probably find some parts cheaper on other websites. Or you might decide you want a better CPU/graphics card/whatever than the ones I linked.
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