Originally by: Battlestar Galactica

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Now the main point of this post is why did the North "win" and i use that term as loose as possable, was it due to the massive resources they had built up in preporation that this was coming? Or was it fact to that they have a huge array of experianced pilots that are used to fighting in the lag infested battle?

Your opinions please?

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Billion Isk Mission

Originally by: Chirinako

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Reverse the roles and Bob would have won. THe north have been defending Cynojammed systems. Bob's strength is in their capital fleet. Pretty simple really. Take away those cynojammers and bob instawin.

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Originally by: Taram Caldar

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Edited by: Taram Caldar on 14/07/2008 19:21:50
To be honest I think people just rant about the northern coalition's nap because they're jealous that so many large alliances have kept each other blue for so long without trying to stick knives in each other's backs.

Just seems like the north is a hell of a lot better about honoring theirs.

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Originally by: Taram Caldar

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Edited by: Taram Caldar on 14/07/2008 19:21:50
To be honest I think people just rant about the northern coalition's nap because they're jealous that so many large alliances have kept each other blue for so long without trying to stick knives in each other's backs. Sure the northerners have some NAP's but I've been both north and south and EVERYONE has their fair share of naps. Just seems like the north is a hell of a lot better about honoring theirs.

BOB nap's it's pets but if the pets get in trouble BoB just leave them to die.... Goons nap their allies but then their allies turn on each other and goons don't really give a rip (nor does RA or TCF for that matter) especially if the 'ally' isn't deemed to be 'strong', regardless of what benefit to the 'alliance' they are.

Nah, NC or NNF, however you choose to call them, is neither good, nor bad. But they aren't as 'weak' as a lot of people like to make them out to be either.

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Originally by: TroNaaR

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Originally by: Taram Caldar

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Edited by: Taram Caldar on 14/07/2008 19:21:50
To be honest I think people just rant about the northern coalition's nap because they're jealous that so many large alliances have kept each other blue for so long without trying to stick knives in each other's backs.

Just seems like the north is a hell of a lot better about honoring theirs.

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HAHAH! Left the funny bits.

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Originally by: Endeva

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Originally by: Taram Caldar

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Edited by: Taram Caldar on 14/07/2008 19:21:50
To be honest I think people just rant about the northern coalition's nap because they're jealous that so many large alliances have kept each other blue for so long without trying to stick knives in each other's backs. Sure the northerners have some NAP's but I've been both north and south and EVERYONE has their fair share of naps. Just seems like the north is a hell of a lot better about honoring theirs.

BOB nap's it's pets but if the pets get in trouble BoB just leave them to die.... Goons nap their allies but then their allies turn on each other and goons don't really give a rip (nor does RA or TCF for that matter) especially if the 'ally' isn't deemed to be 'strong', regardless of what benefit to the 'alliance' they are.

Nah, NC or NNF, however you choose to call them, is neither good, nor bad. But they aren't as 'weak' as a lot of people like to make them out to be either.

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rofl. yeh i bet you have fun all day long shooting on rats only and few noob ships in m-o, p3en and other choke points.
tbh if bob or someone else didnt came for you all of those nothern monkeys like you wouldnt have any pvp experience.
you can be happy at the end cos someone actually care about you and came to fight you so you can learn some pvp basics(cos this is eve all about)

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Originally by: Taram Caldar

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Edited by: Taram Caldar on 14/07/2008 19:31:53

Originally by: Chirinako

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Reverse the roles and Bob would have won. THe north have been defending Cynojammed systems. Bob's strength is in their capital fleet. Pretty simple really. Take away those cynojammers and bob instawin.

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Very true.... then again the same could be said for Delve really.... if BoB hadn't had titans blobbed in Cynojammed systems...

Not saying that's a bad thing or a bad tactic... simply a fact that cynojammers, especially when combined with jump bridges, give a HUGE advantage to defending forces... also allow them to hold far more territory than they normally (or, imo, should) be able to.

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Originally by: Taram Caldar

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Originally by: Endeva

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Originally by: Taram Caldar

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Edited by: Taram Caldar on 14/07/2008 19:21:50
To be honest I think people just rant about the northern coalition's nap because they're jealous that so many large alliances have kept each other blue for so long without trying to stick knives in each other's backs. Sure the northerners have some NAP's but I've been both north and south and EVERYONE has their fair share of naps. Just seems like the north is a hell of a lot better about honoring theirs.

BOB nap's it's pets but if the pets get in trouble BoB just leave them to die.... Goons nap their allies but then their allies turn on each other and goons don't really give a rip (nor does RA or TCF for that matter) especially if the 'ally' isn't deemed to be 'strong', regardless of what benefit to the 'alliance' they are.

Nah, NC or NNF, however you choose to call them, is neither good, nor bad. But they aren't as 'weak' as a lot of people like to make them out to be either.

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rofl. yeh i bet you have fun all day long shooting on rats only and few noob ships in m-o, p3en and other choke points.
tbh if bob or someone else didnt came for you all of those nothern monkeys like you wouldnt have any pvp experience.
you can be happy at the end cos someone actually care about you and came to fight you so you can learn some pvp basics(cos this is eve all about)

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Interesting....
/me checks alliance tag

Nope... not part of NC anymore...

/me checks alliance history...
Not been part of the NC in a long long time

Nice try though :)

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Originally by: Taram Caldar

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Bitter much? Last time I checked Smashkill and their buddies in Geminate were just allies of convenience, not part of the true northern coalition. For a very very long time Smashkill has been enemy #1 to the north (I know, I was there at the time) Nobody that knows anything about the history up north was at all surprised that they just watched you die, probably a lot of them laughed as well.

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Originally by: Dianabolic

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**** that, grab the ***** by the tail and shove a chilli up its ass, far more fun.

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Originally by: Taram Caldar

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Originally by: TroNaaR

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Originally by: Taram Caldar

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Edited by: Taram Caldar on 14/07/2008 19:21:50
To be honest I think people just rant about the northern coalition's nap because they're jealous that so many large alliances have kept each other blue for so long without trying to stick knives in each other's backs.

Just seems like the north is a hell of a lot better about honoring theirs.

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HAHAH! Left the funny bits.

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Bitter much? Last time I checked Smashkill and their buddies in Geminate were just allies of convenience, not part of the true northern coalition. For a very very long time Smashkill has been enemy #1 to the north (I know, I was there at the time) Nobody that knows anything about the history up north was at all surprised that they just watched you die, probably a lot of them laughed as well.

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Originally by: Dianabolic

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The north has been at peace for a very long time. They've played what is, imo, a game of passive civilisation - just waiting for the techs to build up until you can load up on tanks and cruise missiles to slowly go round and pwn the enemy one by one.

That's their game and they play it well, so fair play to them.

It isn't our game, though, and that's what makes eve great - BoB has always been very militaristic, we will always be - in times of peace we don't think "quick let's carebear", we think "Hey, where can we kick up the biggest stink next?"

And that's what we're doing, and it's something we're very good at.

Hopefully everybody has fun, if we had done anything BUT what we're doing now, THAT is when we'd be taking ourselves / leaders outside and kicking them in the head.

"Let sleeping dogs lie"? **** that, grab the ***** by the tail and shove a chilli up its ass, far more fun.

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Originally by: Taram Caldar

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Edited by: Taram Caldar on 14/07/2008 19:21:50
To be honest I think people just rant about the northern coalition's nap because they're jealous that so many large alliances have kept each other blue for so long without trying to stick knives in each other's backs. Sure the northerners have some NAP's but I've been both north and south and EVERYONE has their fair share of naps. Just seems like the north is a hell of a lot better about honoring theirs.

BOB nap's it's pets but if the pets get in trouble BoB just leave them to die.... Goons nap their allies but then their allies turn on each other and goons don't really give a rip (nor does RA or TCF for that matter) especially if the 'ally' isn't deemed to be 'strong', regardless of what benefit to the 'alliance' they are.

Nah, NC or NNF, however you choose to call them, is neither good, nor bad. But they aren't as 'weak' as a lot of people like to make them out to be either.

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Originally by: Dianabolic

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The north has been at peace for a very long time. They've played what is, imo, a game of passive civilisation - just waiting for the techs to build up until you can load up on tanks and cruise missiles to slowly go round and pwn the enemy one by one.

That's their game and they play it well, so fair play to them.

It isn't our game, though, and that's what makes eve great - BoB has always been very militaristic, we will always be - in times of peace we don't think "quick let's carebear", we think "Hey, where can we kick up the biggest stink next?"

And that's what we're doing, and it's something we're very good at.

Hopefully everybody has fun, if we had done anything BUT what we're doing now, THAT is when we'd be taking ourselves / leaders outside and kicking them in the head.

"Let sleeping dogs lie"? **** that, grab the ***** by the tail and shove a chilli up its ass, far more fun.

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Originally by: Battlestar Galactica

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Your opinions please?

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Originally by: ****ation

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The north hold their space because a) theyre all blue to eachother and just hold hands singing around a camp fire, thus there are no wars over territory

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Originally by: Koi Yokuma

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Originally by: Dianabolic

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**** that, grab the ***** by the tail and shove a chilli up its ass, far more fun.

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Interesting take on fun. I'd love to see what a weekend at your house is like.

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Originally by: CCP Oveur

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...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed

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Originally by: dastommy79

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The Northern alliances will sell each other out for a price. Dont know if this New Old Northern coalition is better. We'll see. The core Iron/MM/Razor i am sure will protect each other till the death or strategicly retreat together. Pure/Hydra/MH is a different story. They might be seen as expendible. All this crap is speculation though just like most horrible posts on caod.

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Originally by: Fred0

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Originally by: dastommy79

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The Northern alliances will sell each other out for a price. Dont know if this New Old Northern coalition is better. We'll see. The core Iron/MM/Razor i am sure will protect each other till the death or strategicly retreat together. Pure/Hydra/MH is a different story. They might be seen as expendible. All this crap is speculation though just like most horrible posts on caod.

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I'll give an unusually honest answer ;)

We won't sell it eachother out. I can promise you that RZR will never sell out anyone from RA/RAWR/Pure./Hydra/MH nor IRON. We haven't so far and we won't. The same goes for the other ones. In fact if one looses it's space we will also as already demonstrated tried to find new or give up existing space for that entity. Most of you have fundamentally misunderstood the NC.

Also, it's nice to paint us as carebears or blobbers or whatever. It's easier when you get spanked that way. It's true we do blob but when we don't we will fight individually and outnumbered just like everyone else. The only thing different with us is we've made a commitment to stick with eachother for better or worse and the reason we've done it is we think medium/small sized and equal alliances with different flavours should have a place to flourish in EVE. It's just a different flavour to GBC or RSF. To paint us as carebears though is completely wrong. There's a few of EVE's top ten FC's here and the general skill level on a few of the membership alliances are definitely quite high too. I'm not saying we're the best, but so far for a few years we've proven to be good enough to beat almost everyone ;)

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Originally by: Endeva

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you say that about smash and roadkill also:)

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Originally by: Fred0

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Originally by: Endeva

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you say that about smash and roadkill also:)

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No. I never did. In fact I repeatedly thought and said that peoke's rants and irrational ways we shouldn't have them as blue. It's true they played a major part in removing M.Pire and those guys from Branch and as such it sucked to not help them. Then again we grew apart all the time and there was more and more tension all the time after that.

The peoke reason is probably the only way we'll part ways tbh. If one of the NC members changes leadership and that guy/gal doesn't want this to continue or becomes extremely onesided or abusive then it'll probably not work but that's not a risk with the current leadership in the NC imho.

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Originally by: Dianabolic

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BoB has always been very militaristic, we will always be - in times of peace we don't think "quick let's carebear", we think "Hey, where can we kick up the biggest stink next?"

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Originally by: dastommy79

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since i got ya here fred0, can i ask ya a question? How come old northern tennants like destiny, Core and a whole bunch i am forgeting were never rewarded for their efforts against the MC offensive. 80% of that losing fight was fought by renters/tennants but they never seemed to get anything out of their efforts. Also Sparta who fought hard alongside D2 in fountain, cloudring and dek were going to be reset as soon as the MC offensive was finished.

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Also your previous renters in Branch that were forced out by insurgancy, were they not given their space back after the war? My observation is that you use smaller alliances for your greater good (iron/razor/MM) and do not reward them for their efforts. Atleast from what i have seen.

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Originally by: Dianabolic

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The north has been at peace for a very long time. They've played what is, imo, a game of passive civilisation - just waiting for the techs to build up until you can load up on tanks and cruise missiles to slowly go round and pwn the enemy one by one.

That's their game and they play it well, so fair play to them.

It isn't our game, though, and that's what makes eve great - BoB has always been very militaristic, we will always be - in times of peace we don't think "quick let's carebear", we think "Hey, where can we kick up the biggest stink next?"

And that's what we're doing, and it's something we're very good at.

Hopefully everybody has fun, if we had done anything BUT what we're doing now, THAT is when we'd be taking ourselves / leaders outside and kicking them in the head.

"Let sleeping dogs lie"? **** that, grab the ***** by the tail and shove a chilli up its ass, far more fun.

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Originally by: Starfall Hammer

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In the last couple of years bob took on (i) ASCN the biggest carebear alliance eve has ever seen that was incredibly bloated and weak and offered no real resistance whatsoever

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Originally by: XZearr

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Edited by: XZearr on 14/07/2008 22:18:41

Originally by: Starfall Hammer

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In the last couple of years bob took on (i) ASCN the biggest carebear alliance eve has ever seen that was incredibly bloated and weak and offered no real resistance whatsoever

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Didn't ASCN last a couple of months vs BOB, fielding gangs with 80+ BS for a fair part of it?

Aren't a lot of ex-ASCN players and corps currently in the North and South Coalitions? And not fringe alliances either, the main ones.

Didn't ASCN last longer than 90% of the current average crop of 0.0 space-holding alliances could manage alone vs BOB?

Didn't BOB start a war that at the start they were pretty much against 70% of 0.0 EVE for a while?


Seriously Goon alts need to stop posting their terrible self-repeated internal propaganda on COAD. Instead learn what you are actually talking about

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Originally by: Wesley Baird

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Originally by: ****ation

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The north hold their space because a) theyre all blue to eachother and just hold hands singing around a camp fire, thus there are no wars over territory

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If you don't like it, go do something about it...

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Originally by: Fred0

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Originally by: dastommy79

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since i got ya here fred0, can i ask ya a question? How come old northern tennants like destiny, Core and a whole bunch i am forgeting were never rewarded for their efforts against the MC offensive. 80% of that losing fight was fought by renters/tennants but they never seemed to get anything out of their efforts. Also Sparta who fought hard alongside D2 in fountain, cloudring and dek were going to be reset as soon as the MC offensive was finished.

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Most of those made their own fortunes. Sparta switched sides for example. Destiny allied with TRI when TRI blue too, then they sided with TRI when it came to blows. Core I actually dunno. :) FLA I suppose just moved on when the going got tough, not particularly educated on their story tbfh.

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Also your previous renters in Branch that were forced out by insurgancy, were they not given their space back after the war? My observation is that you use smaller alliances for your greater good (iron/razor/MM) and do not reward them for their efforts. Atleast from what i have seen.

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Yes, we always have and still have smaller alliance owning some stations in Branch. We try to help them develop into better and more useful allies with very few promises. We help them and they help us. INSRG started out as such an alliance for example. It's relations that are dynamic since they are abit of an unknown quantity.

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Originally by: dastommy79

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When sparta was first given northern dek, iron leadership made it known that after the war that sparta should be removed. Tbh i wasnt shocked when they moved out of the coalition and tried to be nuetral. Those guy put up one hell of a fight but were never really recongnized.

FLA stayed in 0-2 and bunkered down there. We made our last stand and took about a month for MC to kick us out. What was left of us by the time we pulled out was nothing much. The majority of us pvp'rs came out with almost nothing. I left dek in a thorax and that was pretty much the only thing i owned. I think during the defence, you and iron stayed down south attacking fix and didnt see many razor pilots in the fountain and cloudring campaign. So i can see how you didnt get to know my old alliance very well. I'll admit FLA was the red headed stepchild of the north but the lack of help after the MC steamroll left a bitter taste in my mouth of the NC leadership. That being said there are a great many good pilots in your ranks and it was fun flying with them.

Thats basicly why i dont really dont care for the NC leadership and question your motives in the grand scheme of things.

this was back in my ARBL days

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Originally by: Taram Caldar

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... we did send fleets to help MM and managed to stall MC's campaign at Tribute.

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