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CCP Guard
C C P C C P Alliance
1969
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Posted - 2012.03.16 16:57:00 -
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CCP Recurve has a smokin' new price indices blog out on the internet. Check it out here to hear all about recent developments in our amazing economy. CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer |
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Bienator II
madmen of the skies
618
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Posted - 2012.03.16 17:06:00 -
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so, did the money supply through bounties change? If not, it does not realy matter if its the largest piece of the pie or not, incursions or something else can still be the cause for the inflation. a eve-style bounty system https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=359105 You fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail to jump because you are cloaked |
Lord Haur
Grim Determination Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2012.03.16 17:09:00 -
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Quote:ThereGÇÿs certainly a lot of money coming from Incursions. Incursion rewards in December amounted to 9.6 trillion ISK, which is an all time high, while the rewards in January and February were 9.0 and 8.7 trillion ISK respectively. ThatGÇÿs quite a bit of money entering the economy. However, Incursions are not the biggest ISK faucet, bounties are. Bounty prizes paid out in February totalled 33 trillion ISK.
Can we get numbers on the amount of characters recieving Incursion payouts and Bounty prizes? (What I'm actually asking for is the ISK per character for each income source). Sure, Bounty prizes paid out 2.5x more in total, but a LOT more people run anomalies and such. |
testobjekt
Goonswarm Federation Human Resources Goonswarm Federation
138
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Posted - 2012.03.16 17:21:00 -
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Please make the RAW data available. Sure your indices are nice but we cant really analyse the economy if we only get indices and excel charts.
GIVE US RAW DATA!
The dream would be to have a database with every trade, oh god that would be so sweet. please do this. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5625
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Posted - 2012.03.16 17:23:00 -
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Could you include some units on those axes? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Cass Lie
State War Academy Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2012.03.16 17:29:00 -
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Great informative blog, good to see this kind of data posted gain after the abortion of QEN. |
Takashi Kaeda
Perkone Caldari State
63
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Posted - 2012.03.16 17:31:00 -
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How much of that bounty ISK is coming from ratting titans and bots?
The second one might be out of reach of your analytics but do you have any rough data on ratting titans? |
testobjekt
Goonswarm Federation Human Resources Goonswarm Federation
138
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Posted - 2012.03.16 17:38:00 -
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can you please detail how much bounty comes from highsec/lowsec/0.0
how bounty developed vs player count how incursions developed vs player count what the median and avarage income per player is for both and how it has developed do you only count money on active accounts for the inflation?
To me this looks like a blog designed to protect the incursion playerbase from the wrath of the rest of eve. |
Marbin Drakon
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
7
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Posted - 2012.03.16 17:39:00 -
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How often is the bundle used to calculate the CPI updated? Or is it even calculated with a commodity bundle? |
Chokichi Ozuwara
Lucky Dragon Convenience
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Posted - 2012.03.16 17:48:00 -
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This post is even more useless than Government statistics. It tells us almost nothing because we're deprived of access to the larger #s.
More fluffery on the dev blog. BIG YAWN. Start a corp and do it yourself. You'll fail, but you'll enjoy failing. Tears will be shed and pants will need to be changed all round. |
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Nair Alderau
EVE University Ivy League
1
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Posted - 2012.03.16 17:50:00 -
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I would have liked a sentence on whether CCP is considering some kind of intervention (or more likely, subtle mechanics change) or not.
Yeah, i know. Silly me. ;)
It also backs up my own data on the issue. There most certainly is proper inflation on Tranquility by now. |
Nair Alderau
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2012.03.16 17:53:00 -
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Chokichi Ozuwara wrote:This post is even more useless than Government statistics. It tells us almost nothing because we're deprived of access to the larger #s.
More fluffery on the dev blog. BIG YAWN.
Actually quite a few more numbers were released, but not centrally collected.
Example: http://conceptofprogress.wordpress.com/2012/03/08/eve-a-day-in-the-life-of-the-eve-economy/
More for those who search and look at the eve blogosphere. |
Nair Alderau
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2012.03.16 17:55:00 -
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And if you mean price trends on individual items or item groups:
Those are freely available for several years for all market tradable items in most regions of eve. Not difficult to do your own price indices (which I and many other people do). |
Sentient Blade
Walk It Off Imperial Ascension
287
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Posted - 2012.03.16 17:59:00 -
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I too would like to know the figures for incursions / anoms divided by their respective participant numbers. |
Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
1072
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Posted - 2012.03.16 17:59:00 -
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I'm very much looking forward to hearing what the better economic minds of New Eden have to say about this.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://vimeo.com/user9887127 Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Murashu
Phoibe Enterprises
24
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Posted - 2012.03.16 18:04:00 -
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I'd love to see how many pilots were involved in earning the 9 trillion ISK (incursions) compared to the 33 trillion isk (bounties). Posting how much ISK the two activities brought in without the other info is just showing a small part of the story. |
Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy Tactical Narcotics Team
103
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Posted - 2012.03.16 18:04:00 -
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Most importantly : Are you going to adress these issues or are you just going to watch people easily filling their pockets with a chance of breaking the ingame economics?
Pinky |
Andrea Griffin
185
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Posted - 2012.03.16 18:09:00 -
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For those of us who are less versed in economic matters, what I take away from this is that there is inflation and that I should stick all of my liquid isk into goods instead. C/D? CCP Sreegs is my favorite developer. |
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University Ivy League
756
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Posted - 2012.03.16 18:12:00 -
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CCP has already stated in another thread that they are looking at both faucets and sinks, with the possibility of adding new sinks to the mix.
They definitely need to move away from "raw ISK" as a reward. Better to have the rats drop items that have to be sold to NPC buy orders if you must have an ISK source. That's a bit harder to bot, and requires a bit more risk in order to profit to the maximum. And far better to have more of the reward come from dropped items that you have to sell to other players.
The other major issue that incursions cause is that CONCORD LP can be traded in for every other store's LP in the game, which devalues everyone's LP. CCP needs to change the trade-in value formula so that unless you have high corporate standings with the target corporation, you will not get max value for your CONCORD LP. Which would force corporate standings to matter again and bring missioning (to raise standings) back into the mix. |
Lilliana Stelles
Nagrom Security Syndicate Flatline.
27
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Posted - 2012.03.16 18:13:00 -
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't see why CCP would need to intervene with inflation. It's not something new; the charts clearly show that the entire market has been inflating since day one.
Eventually, those running Incursions and ratting for bounties will actually be put at a disadvantage, as the value of pure ISK decreases over time.
However, everyone else will notice a negligible change. Mission runners may earn less value from their ISK rewards, but the price of their salvage and loot will increase, along with the tags that they collect and what they get from LP. Researchers and manufacturers will also be relatively unaffected, as their products will increase in price to match the inflating economy. |
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Sentient Blade
Walk It Off Imperial Ascension
287
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Posted - 2012.03.16 18:25:00 -
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Lilliana Stelles wrote:Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't see why CCP would need to intervene with inflation. It's not something new; the charts clearly show that the entire market has been inflating since day one.
Inflation is positive if it's kept a certain rate; if it goes too low then the market stalls as people wait for products to become cheaper, hence things don't sell, people don't get paid, bad times.
The opposite to that is hyper-inflation where money rapidly becomes worthless and previous efforts end up counting for squat, which is bad in real life as it discourages work, and even worse in a game which demands a huge amount of time investment. |
Sentient Blade
Walk It Off Imperial Ascension
287
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Posted - 2012.03.16 18:30:00 -
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*misspost* |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
2851
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Posted - 2012.03.16 18:38:00 -
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Never have cake been so cheap!
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Cass Lie
State War Academy Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2012.03.16 18:40:00 -
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Lilliana Stelles wrote:Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't see why CCP would need to intervene with inflation. It's not something new; the charts clearly show that the entire market has been inflating since day one.
Eventually, those running Incursions and ratting for bounties will actually be put at a disadvantage, as the value of pure ISK decreases over time.
However, everyone else will notice a negligible change. Mission runners may earn less value from their ISK rewards, but the price of their salvage and loot will increase, along with the tags that they collect and what they get from LP. Researchers and manufacturers will also be relatively unaffected, as their products will increase in price to match the inflating economy.
Where do the charts clearly show that the entire market has been inflating since day one? The PPPI was for instance much higher during the first years. But other than that, you are basically correct, the market is self-correcting. When trit costs one million isk and bounties stay the same, no-one will shoot npcs anymore, no bounties will be injected, prices will deflate, new equilibrium will be reached etc. Some people will be vocal about feeling forced to change their playstyle, but I guess that is much less painful than doing the same in real life. |
Lilliana Stelles
Nagrom Security Syndicate Flatline.
28
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Posted - 2012.03.16 18:45:00 -
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Sentient Blade wrote:Lilliana Stelles wrote:Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't see why CCP would need to intervene with inflation. It's not something new; the charts clearly show that the entire market has been inflating since day one. Inflation is positive if it's kept a certain rate; if it goes too low then the market stalls as people wait for products to become cheaper, hence things don't sell, people don't get paid, bad times. The opposite to that is hyper-inflation where money rapidly becomes worthless and previous efforts end up counting for squat, which is bad in real life as it discourages work, and even worse in a game which demands a huge amount of time investment.
That makes since. But as long as the main sources of ISK in the economy (ratting, incursions), create a linear amount of isk (x million per ship killed or mission completed), then shouldn't inflation also continue to increase at a linear amount?
Maybe I'm just failing to comprehend how we can achieve nonlinear inflation from linear incomes. |
Jame Jarl Retief
State War Academy Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2012.03.16 18:55:00 -
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After reading the blog, my reaction is "Yes, yes, and?!" In other words, what are you going to do about it in the immediate future?
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Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger Ev0ke
160
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Posted - 2012.03.16 18:56:00 -
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To what extend can those increased prices be explained by the following factors:
Increased demand for maelstrom, Drakes, 1400mm guns, heavy missile launchers and maybe abbadons, lazers and tier 3 battlecruisers?
Plex prices?
Zydrine speculation?
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The Snowman
Aliastra Gallente Federation
40
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Posted - 2012.03.16 18:59:00 -
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aaaaaaahahaha!
FFUuuuuuuuuuuu people who claim incursions cause inflation hahaha....
In the end it was actually 0.0 carebears running anomolies that was causing inflation.
lolol, this has made my day!
Watch out null sec dwellers.... neerrfffff incoming!! And you can blame your fellow null sec residents for causing such a fuss..
That ladies and gentlmen is what they call an own-goal LOL!
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Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
147
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Posted - 2012.03.16 19:07:00 -
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The Snowman wrote:aaaaaaahahaha!
FFUuuuuuuuuuuu people who claim incursions cause inflation hahaha....
In the end it was actually 0.0 carebears running anomolies that was causing inflation.
lolol, this has made my day!
Watch out null sec dwellers.... neerrfffff incoming!! And you can blame your fellow null sec residents for causing such a fuss..
That ladies and gentlmen is what they call an own-goal LOL!
That's idiocy. Bounties have been in Eve all along. Claiming that they're the majority of the ISK faucet is like claiming this game uses pixels. It's a given, and it's borderline irresponsible to not compare ISK injection pre-Incursions to ISk injection post-incursions.
Any other comparison is laughable, as Incursions are clearly broken, while bounties have functioned properly more or less since the beginning of the game.
The high-sec crowd is ultra fond of pointing out how high-sec is the population center of Eve. They are said to outnumber the null-sec players by more than four to one. Therefore, there are four times as many high-sec dwellers earning bounties as there are null-sec dwellers. Granted, each area will have players who do not engage in bounty-harvesting PVE, but claiming this situation is purely the fault of null-sec is utterly ridiculous.
High-sec bounties have a considerable impact on ISK injection, even if the bounty ticks themselves may be lower.
Don't you think CCP would look foolish if they admitted their precious Incursions were breaking the game?
This is an obvious sham. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Liberty Eternal
Taggart Transdimensional Virtue of Selfishness
26
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Posted - 2012.03.16 19:10:00 -
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Andrea Griffin wrote:For those of us who are less versed in economic matters, what I take away from this is that there is inflation and that I should stick all of my liquid isk into goods instead. C/D?
No, there are two types of inflation. One is monetary inflation, where the amount of money [isk] increases. The other is price inflation, where the price of goods increases.
The article points to the fact that money supply has increased massively [thirteenfold] while prices have not increased. They have in fact declined a little - although recently prices have started to increase, it is only by single-digit percentage points [compared to the 1,300% increase in money supply].
However, without actual data it is hard to judge what is really going on or to make predictions about price movements in the future. The short-term price trend is slightly upwards, but the overall long-term pressure has always been downwards.
So unless there is a fundamental change in game mechanics, don't go putting all your isk into real goods just yet. But do be alert to a possible change in game mechanics which might cause huge amounts of isk to bum-rush into the system and drive up prices. |
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