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Hosanna
Karjala Inc. The Polaris Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.03.23 20:36:00 -
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What can you ask from people who dont even play the game. |
Miss Whippy
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
140
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Posted - 2012.03.23 20:58:00 -
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Hosanna wrote:What can you ask from people who dont even play the game.
Um, wot? UI Iteration isn't enough, we need to start from scratch |
Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger Ev0ke
165
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Posted - 2012.03.23 23:37:00 -
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http://cdnmo.coveritlive.com/media/image/201203/phpWMGHCC60.JPG |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
228
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Posted - 2012.03.23 23:45:00 -
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Agreed. They need to devote a large part on an expansion to the UI as it's really bad at the moment. |
Solhild
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
639
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Posted - 2012.03.24 05:15:00 -
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Gilbaron wrote:http://cdnmo.coveritlive.com/media/image/201203/phpWMGHCC60.JPG
But is it enough?
Hurry up with it so I can try it out |
Renturu
Tribal Spirit The Nest Alliance
166
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Posted - 2012.03.24 06:32:00 -
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The comment about releasing the API for players to be involved in development is a good idea with only one caveat... too much random code exposed to the general public and you invite Hacks, Keyloggers and Trogens... Not too many players would appreciate that.
However, create a developer program... you pay an annual fee to get the early release code (only to be tested in Sisi, of course) and you have the rights to make changes that are submitted to CCP. Any changes the said developer made only work in Sisi so it cannot be utilized prematurely in-game.
The fee can be pretty substantial (license fee, etc) just so the average player doesn't get to it. Also, limiting licenses (reserve a slot and you get a month to tinker with it). IDK, I'm kinda tossed on the idea. If EvE WiS is Space Barbie, then I'm built like a Ken Doll:
Nothin' but 14 inches of T'aint; Smooth, from front to butt!!! |
Miss Whippy
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
150
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Posted - 2012.03.24 16:31:00 -
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Renturu wrote:The comment about releasing the API for players to be involved in development is a good idea with only one caveat... too much random code exposed to the general public and you invite Hacks, Keyloggers and Trogens... Not too many players would appreciate that.
However, create a developer program... you pay an annual fee to get the early release code (only to be tested in Sisi, of course) and you have the rights to make changes that are submitted to CCP. Any changes the said developer made only work in Sisi so it cannot be utilized prematurely in-game.
The fee can be pretty substantial (license fee, etc) just so the average player doesn't get to it. Also, limiting licenses (reserve a slot and you get a month to tinker with it). IDK, I'm kinda tossed on the idea.
I like the idea when you put it like that. Might be a drain on CCP resources this way, is the only thing. UI Iteration isn't enough, we need to start from scratch |
Loius Woo
PATRIOT KNIGHTS
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Posted - 2012.05.07 17:31:00 -
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I think it is worth looking at a "start from scratch" option for the UI. For a game like EVE, the UI needs to be constantly changing. At some point, it becomes so clogged or unwieldy, that it needs to be revamped, redesigned, etc.
I don't think this is a pejorative comment about the dedication of CCP in any way, but merely a call to reassess the ability of the existing infrastructure to accomplish the current mission of the UI.
I agree with the OP, though instead of a sinking ship metaphor, I would go more toward an overly modified car that is just too complicated to continue to work as intended any more.
+1 to examining a completely new UI. |
Loius Woo
PATRIOT KNIGHTS
8
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Posted - 2012.05.07 17:50:00 -
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Also:
Devblog on UI stuff
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Calithar Render
Stoic Assembly Lines Trade Federation Alliance
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Posted - 2012.05.07 17:54:00 -
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I'll throw my hat in here, too.
In my opinion, the UI should be CCP's #1 priority. For me and those I try to get to play: it's terrible. This isn't hyperbole. It's actually terrible, for the reasons already mentioned.
- A total right-click fest. - Far too many unnecessary steps to get any information, ever try to check market prices on 100-200 items in a hangar? - Minimal feedback: leading to a plastic/stale feel. For all the clicking you're doing, the UI inspires no confidence - Hideous overview that takes half your screen with elongated station names/fields that ought to be truncated intelligently
All of these "expansions" on top of the fundamentally poor UI have been baby steps in the wrong direction. The entire UI needs to be stripped out of this client, and replaced.
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Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2012.05.07 17:55:00 -
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ok instead of ranting and complaining in the forum, go design a better UI and propose it to us. Show us the wireframes and interaction graphs.
Complaining is not productive unless it is backed up by a proposal. |
Grey Stormshadow
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
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Posted - 2012.05.07 18:01:00 -
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It is ok to redo the ui in parts like they have been doing for a while already. However it is equally important that when some part is updated, it will be done properly and polished to be as good as it can be before moving to next one. If this will not be the case, we only end up having new problems in another package.
Rewriting entire thing on one go isn't really realistic goal specially if we want to add some functionality to various tools we already have. Plain facelift wouldn't make much difference.
Get |
MotherMoon
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
641
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Posted - 2012.05.07 18:22:00 -
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200$ says that when UI overhual finally comes, 100 people on the forums whine that no one asked for the UI to change. followed by many many "if it's not broken don't fix it!"
not that they are right, and 100 of 400,000 players isn't really a lot. but it will feel like no one wants the UI changes about ... I'd say, a month before release. |
Calithar Render
Stoic Assembly Lines Trade Federation Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.05.07 18:34:00 -
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Miilla wrote:ok instead of ranting and complaining in the forum, go design a better UI and propose it to us. Show us the wireframes and interaction graphs.
Complaining is not productive unless it is backed up by a proposal.
I will, just as soon as I receive my offer letter from CCP.
It's CCP's job to take our feedback and have their UX (or PM, whoever) team provide the "wireframes" and "interaction graphs".
Complaining about complaining is not productive unless it's tempered with common sense. |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2012.05.07 18:52:00 -
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Calithar Render wrote:Miilla wrote:ok instead of ranting and complaining in the forum, go design a better UI and propose it to us. Show us the wireframes and interaction graphs.
Complaining is not productive unless it is backed up by a proposal. I will, just as soon as I receive my offer letter from CCP. It's CCP's job to take our feedback and have their UX (or PM, whoever) team provide the "wireframes" and "interaction graphs". Complaining about complaining is not productive unless it's tempered with common sense.
STFU then. |
Connaght Badasaz
Reasonable People Of Sound Mind
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Posted - 2012.05.07 19:10:00 -
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Miilla wrote:Calithar Render wrote:Miilla wrote:ok instead of ranting and complaining in the forum, go design a better UI and propose it to us. Show us the wireframes and interaction graphs.
Complaining is not productive unless it is backed up by a proposal. I will, just as soon as I receive my offer letter from CCP. It's CCP's job to take our feedback and have their UX (or PM, whoever) team provide the "wireframes" and "interaction graphs". Complaining about complaining is not productive unless it's tempered with common sense. STFU then.
Is your vagina angry at something? |
Seleia O'Sinnor
Drop of Honey
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Posted - 2012.05.07 19:10:00 -
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CCP should go the World of Warcraft way when it comes to the GUI: let the players customize it and create new awesome tools. Just be careful about the public API.
EDIT: Different strokes for different folks. EGD: If you jettison what's in your brain, at least expect can flipping. |
Calithar Render
Stoic Assembly Lines Trade Federation Alliance
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Posted - 2012.05.07 19:12:00 -
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Miilla wrote:Calithar Render wrote:Miilla wrote:ok instead of ranting and complaining in the forum, go design a better UI and propose it to us. Show us the wireframes and interaction graphs.
Complaining is not productive unless it is backed up by a proposal. I will, just as soon as I receive my offer letter from CCP. It's CCP's job to take our feedback and have their UX (or PM, whoever) team provide the "wireframes" and "interaction graphs". Complaining about complaining is not productive unless it's tempered with common sense. STFU then.
Is that the best you can do? We're offering reasons for why we believe the UI should be implemented from scratch, which is the point of this thread.
Quit hijacking the thread with your failed arguments and overt hostility. You're not adding anything to the discussion, which is ironic considering your prior whining about being unproductive. **** off. |
Shea Valerien
House of Valerien
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Posted - 2012.05.07 19:14:00 -
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I have to agree. I have two friends that I've tried to get into this game now that have left very quickly simply because of the UI and because of the UI alone. One buddy's email said "D/Ld it and played it for a short bit, but the UI was horrible and couldn't get into it. Might go back and give it a try some other time." He then went off and back to League of Legends and is picking up another MMO now. The other guy said pretty much the same. Both of these guys are big on PVP and MMOs. They would've loved this game if I could've gotten them "into" it. I also tried to play Eve on two prior occasions (once many years back, another time a few years ago).. both times I quit because I couldn't figure out what was going on and the UI was terrible and unresponsive.
I do think that if Eve was able to come up with a completely new UI and one that was much more responsive, the devs would be surprised at how much this game might take off. |
Calithar Render
Stoic Assembly Lines Trade Federation Alliance
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Posted - 2012.05.07 19:19:00 -
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Shea Valerien wrote:I have to agree. I have two friends that I've tried to get into this game now that have left very quickly simply because of the UI and because of the UI alone. One buddy's email said "D/Ld it and played it for a short bit, but the UI was horrible and couldn't get into it. Might go back and give it a try some other time." He then went off and back to League of Legends and is picking up another MMO now. The other guy said pretty much the same. Both of these guys are big on PVP and MMOs. They would've loved this game if I could've gotten them "into" it. I also tried to play Eve on two prior occasions (once many years back, another time a few years ago).. both times I quit because I couldn't figure out what was going on and the UI was terrible and unresponsive.
I do think that if Eve was able to come up with a completely new UI and one that was much more responsive, the devs would be surprised at how much this game might take off.
Absolutely. You only get one chance to make a first impression. The contrast between the "Sci-Fi, hi-tech" ideas of the game and the OS/2 style user interface should not be ignored. It's a poor first impression. |
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Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2012.05.07 19:25:00 -
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Look, Eve is a spreadsheet game, it is simple numbers and formulas, now, would you prefer an Excel plugin or what you have now?
They really should have made it as a plugin for Word with all the ranting. |
Shea Valerien
House of Valerien
17
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Posted - 2012.05.07 19:29:00 -
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Miilla wrote:Look, Eve is a spreadsheet game, it is simple numbers and formulas, now, would you prefer an Excel plugin or what you have now?
They really should have made it as a plugin for Word with all the ranting.
Are you going to provide anything constructive in this thread? Your whining about the UI feedback is silly. The UI needs some work, which is why you see the dev team working so hard at making incremental improvements to it. It's definitely worth discussing whether the UI needs an overhaul rather than just these improvements (which are great, btw). |
Calithar Render
Stoic Assembly Lines Trade Federation Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.05.07 19:30:00 -
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Miilla wrote:Look, Eve is a spreadsheet game, it is simple numbers and formulas, now, would you prefer an Excel plugin or what you have now?
They really should have made it as a plugin for Word with all the ranting.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
304
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Posted - 2012.05.07 19:32:00 -
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Shea Valerien wrote:Miilla wrote:Look, Eve is a spreadsheet game, it is simple numbers and formulas, now, would you prefer an Excel plugin or what you have now?
They really should have made it as a plugin for Word with all the ranting. Are you going to provide anything constructive in this thread? Your whining about the UI feedback is silly. The UI needs some work, which is why you see the dev team working so hard at making incremental improvements to it. It's definitely worth discussing whether the UI needs an overhaul rather than just these improvements (which are great, btw).
Not at all; I am all for proposals for UI, I have workedi n UX so I love good interfaces, in fact I am working on augmented interfaces atm.
What I don't see from you is real proposals, show me the details, not a thread of rants.
If you would post up links to real proposals I could get stuck into them.
Go get a pen and paper or something, and even just draw wireframes, and then interaction graphs connecting the dots so to speak. Show me the money as they say. |
Ana Vyr
Vyral Technologies
251
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Posted - 2012.05.07 20:12:00 -
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Invention does take a stupid amount of clicks to perform, agreed.
Griefed by the UI. |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
304
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Posted - 2012.05.07 20:19:00 -
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Ana Vyr wrote:Invention does take a stupid amount of clicks to perform, agreed.
Griefed by the UI.
So you want a "Flatter" interface, with less "modal" interaction.
I always develop UI's as flat as I can, reducing hierarchies, Unfortunately Eve interfaces seem to be designed by 1) accountants or 2) developers. |
Henry Haphorn
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.07 20:23:00 -
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Creating a new UI from scratch will take too much time and resources. Welcome to Eve Online. Don't expect people to be nice to you. |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
304
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Posted - 2012.05.07 20:25:00 -
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Henry Haphorn wrote:Creating a new UI from scratch will take too much time and resources.
Well, wasn't part of the purpose of Carbon to make it easier to change the UI and reduce the "entanglement" :)
This is also where the OP can step in, and give a UI proposal, maybe they can have a design a UI competition or something.
I done that a few times, go to the person who wanted a UI, hand them some paper a pen, and ask them to show me what they wanted, and they got exactly that :) Never heard a single rant after :) |
Cordran Li
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.05.07 20:55:00 -
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My brother recently tried to get into EVE and I watched him go through the tutorial stuff. It made me think back to when I started, and wonder how I even got into the game myself. Back then the UI and tutorial were even worse. The only reason I was able to continue playing was because I had friends playing who told me exactly what to do.
EVE definitely needs a new UI. I've been wanting one for years. |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
304
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Posted - 2012.05.07 21:00:00 -
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Cordran Li wrote:My brother recently tried to get into EVE and I watched him go through the tutorial stuff. It made me think back to when I started, and wonder how I even got into the game myself. Back then the UI and tutorial were even worse. The only reason I was able to continue playing was because I had friends playing who told me exactly what to do.
EVE definitely needs a new UI. I've been wanting one for years.
So get a pen and paper and try better. |
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