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Flashh Gorden
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.07.15 15:44:00 -
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When reports of a hostile gang operating deep inside caldrari high security space came through on miitia coms channel,a small gang formed up and we went off to check it out.
Just how these guys were raoming around our high sec being un molested by the Caldary navy made us even more curious.
The scout soon found the awnser. Reports came in of a Vulture class comand ship in tandem with Guardian clas logistic ship keeping the enitire navy busy while the Gallente Federation are free to blockade gates in the system and kill unsuspecting milita members.
Sadly we can take no action against the Vulture or Basilisk because they are not in the Gallente Federation and any attack would incur concorde attention.
This type of action is cowardly and should not be allowed to continue.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2008.07.15 17:01:00 -
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So just because the Caldari militia is too inept to develop a countermeasure to a successful Gallente tactic, that tactic should be outlawed? Is CONCORD's primary responsibility to ensure that the Caldari win? I think not.
All's fair in love and war.
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danwa
Gallente
Federation Zone Operations Command
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Posted - 2008.07.15 17:35:00 -
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Edited by: danwa on 15/07/2008 17:35:46
I guess you never heard of a feint to draw off forces while another part attacks...not an exploit but a sound military tactic....
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Odre Echee
Equestrian Knight Order of Lolicon
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Posted - 2008.07.15 17:49:00 -
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People would respect majority of the State militia a lot more if they would shut their damn mouths and produce results, rather than whining about how things are unfair, and how State is too incompetent to do anything about it.
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Siviran
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.07.15 23:14:00 -
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I'm inclined to agree with the Gallenteans here. Like a great many effective military strategies, they create an opening which allows for you to achieve your objective.
My personal suggestion: Kill the logistics ship next time anyway. If you're so keen on winning this war, sacrifices must be made. Deal with it.
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Odre Echee
Equestrian Knight Order of Lolicon
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Posted - 2008.07.15 23:17:00 -
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 Originally by: Siviran
My personal suggestion: Kill the logistics ship next time anyway. If you're so keen on winning this war, sacrifices must be made. Deal with it.
Indeed. It is difficult to not to admire a man who understands the consequences, but bites the bullet anyway.
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Thorradin
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.07.16 02:44:00 -
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I'm sure CONCORD, in allowing the law to be signed that created the militias, agreed to some provision that allows non-combatants to fly with designated targets to draw fire from the main Naval forces, while standing by to destroy anyone who attempts to dislodge pilots that are clearly working to assist an enemy while outside the ROE.
((I like how this is an RP-attempt to justify what is likely an exploit. Tying up FW spawns with neutral characters that militias would have to suicide against in order to have the FW return to working as intended (going after FW players). If this doesn't get nerfed then CCP might as well remove the highsec FW spawns and just give up on trying to have there be a difference between highsec and lowsec for FW.))
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EVIL SYNNs
Minmatar
dearg doom
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Posted - 2008.07.16 10:16:00 -
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Originally by: Flashh Gorden
When reports of a hostile gang operating deep inside caldrari high security space came through on miitia coms channel,a small gang formed up and we went off to check it out.
Just how these guys were raoming around our high sec being un molested by the Caldary navy made us even more curious.
The scout soon found the awnser. Reports came in of a Vulture class comand ship in tandem with Guardian clas logistic ship keeping the enitire navy busy while the Gallente Federation are free to blockade gates in the system and kill unsuspecting milita members.
Sadly we can take no action against the Vulture or Basilisk because they are not in the Gallente Federation and any attack would incur concorde attention.
This type of action is cowardly and should not be allowed to continue.
wait was it a Vulture and Guardian (in which case? eh?! Armor repping a shield tank.. silly)
Until its classed as an exploit (or not) feel free to do the same. If you can't get a gang to go and kill a gang (which I'm assumming was 20-30 pilots?) then thats your tough luck.
Do you NEED the navy? Come to Villore or DoDixe, do the same thing, see if you get a response from us? 
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Karanth
Gallente
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.07.16 11:00:00 -
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Paging the WHAAAAAAAAMBULANCE to the thread, paging WHAAAAAAAAMBULANCE to the thread...
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Banana Torres
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.07.16 12:06:00 -
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Originally by: Flashh Gorden
This type of action [] should not be allowed to continue.
Yep. I agree 100%.
But is there any Caldary with the nous to be able to stop it?
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Hero Crane
Bilge Rats of Tortuga
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Posted - 2008.07.16 19:06:00 -
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Originally by: Flashh Gorden
When reports of a hostile gang operating deep inside caldrari high security space came through on miitia coms channel,a small gang formed up and we went off to check it out.
Just how these guys were raoming around our high sec being un molested by the Caldary navy made us even more curious.
The scout soon found the awnser. Reports came in of a Vulture class comand ship in tandem with Guardian clas logistic ship keeping the enitire navy busy while the Gallente Federation are free to blockade gates in the system and kill unsuspecting milita members.
Sadly we can take no action against the Vulture or Basilisk because they are not in the Gallente Federation and any attack would incur concorde attention.
This type of action is cowardly and should not be allowed to continue.
so, instead of growing a pair and coming up with a plan to repel these...'cowardly cheaters'.....you'd rather make an ass out of yourself in public, whining and *****ing about a sound military tactic...
*sigh*...you're a credit to your race, my friend
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Keorythe
Caldari
Terra Rosa Militia
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2008.07.17 00:44:00 -
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Originally by: danwa
I guess you never heard of a feint to draw off forces while another part attacks...not an exploit but a sound military tactic....
Its an exploit when they have to rely on a neutral third party who is unattackable without Concord intervention to accomplish this "feint".
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Vikarion
Caldari
Onyx Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.07.17 00:47:00 -
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It's only dishonorable when the Caldari do it.
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Hero Crane
Bilge Rats of Tortuga
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Posted - 2008.07.17 00:55:00 -
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Originally by: Keorythe
Edited by: Keorythe on 17/07/2008 00:46:15
Originally by: danwa
I guess you never heard of a feint to draw off forces while another part attacks...not an exploit but a sound military tactic....
Its an exploit when they have to rely on a neutral third party who is unattackable without Concord intervention to accomplish this "feint". But then as someone mentioned until CCP get off of their butts to correct this then its just another game mechanic that can be used. Once it is corrected though you'll probably see ALOT less of the people saying "grow some balls" at the gates.
soooo...is every Caldari militia recruit a whiner...or is it just you and the OP ~_^
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Misuto Horuda
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Posted - 2008.07.17 08:24:00 -
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OOC: Okay for one, this has gone completely out of roleplay perspective. Two, forgive me, but this post makes you sound like a complete idiot. Stop whinning over something that is a clever military strategy. In case you haven't noticed we are at war-- and war isn't fair. High sec doesn't mean no risk. People can get killed in high sec. It's a part of the game, so grow up, get over yourself, and do something about it IN GAME. Come up with a means to defend IN THE GAME. Don't waste the admin's time with your carebear garbage...
IC: It is unfortunate that these things happen, but is it really so inconceivable? War tends to affect everyone, and so easily we tend to take for granted what safety is granted to us. However, one cannot expect these tactics to end through such desperate displays to CONCORD. Even with it's superior military power, it cannot protect everything and everyone at all times, nor is it their responsibility to do so. That protection therefore falls to us as capsulars. Instead of wishing for others to protect you, grow wiser and look after yourself and your crew, that you may be prepared for the unexpected.
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MirrorGod
Heretic Militia
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Posted - 2008.07.17 10:06:00 -
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OOC because OP is OOC
This thread is crap. It's a legit tactic and you're whining. That's all I have to say.
Also, your signature is insulting as well as overplayed and egotistical. You have the skull, lightning bolt and another symbol. I challenge you to justify and describe the meaning or significance of even one of them.
You're annoying me. Stop that.
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Ancy Denaries
Caldari
Under Heavy Fire
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Posted - 2008.07.17 19:01:00 -
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OOC since OP is OOC.
Seems this behaviour has now been branded an exploit...
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Friedrick Psitalon
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.17 19:27:00 -
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CONCORD does not allow the firing on of a neutral Vulture - that's quite correct. However, I believe the CCP division of CONCORD has determined that this behavior is exploitive and will be specially punished.
CONCORD *WILL* allow the firing on of a neutral Basilisk, though, if you take but one simple step first. Study your legal doctrines, and you'll see - as I've said repeatedly - that the Caldari could effortlessly, easily disrupt one of the several variants of the highsec raid strategies, if they had but the wit and intelligence to do so.
FOOM has never used the exploitive method in our raids, and so CCP has no beef with us. Our methods can be foiled - it's just that no organized entity has emerged to try.
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Pithecanthropus
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Posted - 2008.07.18 22:27:00 -
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Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
So just because the Caldari militia is too inept to develop a countermeasure to a successful Gallente tactic, that tactic should be outlawed? Is CONCORD's primary responsibility to ensure that the Caldari win? I think not.
All's fair in love and war.
Don't be so friggin stupid. It's an obvious loophole exploit... and not a valid tactic to fight your enemy. It's quite an unrealistic game mechanic and pretty desperate and lame imho.
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Amoun Ra
Caldari
Caldari Assault Fleet
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Posted - 2008.07.19 02:18:00 -
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Oh well seems concord had their say on that subject 
You see gallente their is a difference between courageous acts such as performing incursions into enemy high sec space to disrupt logistics which would be valid war tactics also known as commando raids,and the recruiting of neutrals to help you do your dirty work just to earn the protection of concord. If the so called neutrals sympathize so deeply with the federation then by all means they are more than welcome to join the federation militia just don't come crying when your pod gets cooked from caldari missiles.
Anyway no use discussing this issue any more now lets see you on the battlefield
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Thorradin
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.07.19 16:01:00 -
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Originally by: MirrorGod
OOC because OP is OOC
This thread is crap. It's a legit tactic and you're whining. That's all I have to say.
I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of you being wrong. CONCORD and other operatives have deemed this act illegal and will take action against those doing it outside of the war provisions.
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Kora Bequin
Strix Armaments and Defence
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Posted - 2008.07.20 16:21:00 -
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Originally by: Amoun Ra
If the so called neutrals sympathize so deeply with the federation then by all means they are more than welcome to join the federation militia just don't come crying when your pod gets cooked from caldari missiles.
Funny, since I encountered Caldari using the same tactics before CONCORD decided to outlaw them.
Cowards are cowards, no matter their background.
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BloodBird
Gallente
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.07.22 03:53:00 -
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Originally by: Thorradin
Originally by: MirrorGod
OOC because OP is OOC
This thread is crap. It's a legit tactic and you're whining. That's all I have to say.
I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of you being wrong. CONCORD and other operatives have deemed this act illegal and will take action against those doing it outside of the war provisions.
(OOC - Thorradin, replying to an OOC comment IC is bad form. Basicly, his statement do not exist from an IC view, so adressing him IC won't work very well.
Regardless, this has been adressed, and dealth with. I simply though you could need to know this. )
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Jowen Datloran
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.07.22 13:43:00 -
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What the...?
Oh, for a brief moment I thought you was talking about neutered entities, my bad.
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Eran Laude
Gallente
Strix Armaments and Defence
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Posted - 2008.07.22 15:54:00 -
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Flashh,
Have you visited Ourapheh recently? Every time I've flown through it for the last week, a State Protectorate Taranis pilot and an Oneiros are sitting on the Botane gate, watching, waiting and engaging any threat they'd care to take on. Normal? Certainly, it's hi-sec InterBus space, but the Oneiros is invariably a neutral pilot and not a State Protectorate pilot. Ourapheh appears on several important autpilot routes, and being hi-sec most assume it's safety.
Besides, using neutrals in capsuleer wars is a well-established tactic. If not often in a direct combat role, then definitely as scouts and miners.
Do not assume your own innocence when pointing your finger, Caldari.
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