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Karanth Gallente Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.07.20 03:52:00 - [121] Originally by: Silver Night Originally by: Karanth EDIT: Forgot to say, not all Caldari are monsters, and I never said they were. If they surrender to, or work for, any entity other than the State, they are fine by me. The Nation, for example? Silver Night smiles To be entirely honest though, I personally (insert standard not speaking for my corporation disclaimer here) work for the good of the Caldari people. Unusual though my methods might be, they will always have my first allegiance. Of course, the Caldari people are not the same as the Caldari State. The Nation, as long as it is not actively hostile, doesn't bother me. I'm glad you know the difference between the Caldari people and the Caldari State.
Silver Night Caldari Naqam	Posted - 2008.07.20 05:50:00 - [122] Originally by: Stitcher Originally by: Remy Valios Being the reckless idealist I was at the time, I took a miniaturized camera drone which I'm fond of using, and proceeded to head to one of the Safe Harbour Naqam hangars, to see just what was what. I can tell you, that in my time there, I saw nothing inappropriate or improper being carried out- and further, I was in the company of an Amarrian as well, who could testify to this as surely. This is all a public relations battle. They'd be on their best behaviour, presenting the image of a friendly, concerned organisation working for the public good. All above-board, compassionate and welcoming. I have no doubt that the illusion of benignity continues even once the applicants have been shipped out to the Nation - all the better to lull them into believing that they are surrounded by angels of mercy. Yeah, you caught us. And the illusion continues as the people live long, happy, productive lives as part of a community that 'appears' to really care for them and the 'seem' to build new lives in an 'apparent' new, safe place. No doubt when they pass away peacefully at an advanced age, they will have been completely tricked into thinking they lived fulfilled, worthwhile lives. Good thing you're around, Mr Tarn-Hakatain, to prevent us from blinding them to how horribly they've really been treated... somehow... I guess? -------------- The Clown Man. GLS Mr. State Caldari Patriot. Sansha's Nation Supporter
Darina Rea Naqam	Posted - 2008.07.20 08:58:00 - [123] Sarcasm doesn't become you Silver. For shame. Leave that to the rest of us undiplomatic types. _________ [i]Time is on our side.
Silver Night Caldari Naqam	Posted - 2008.07.20 09:44:00 - [124] It's alright Ms Rea. You get some of the best sarcasm in diplomacy. Half the reason I took the job. The hat is the other half. -------------- The Clown Man. GLS Mr. State Caldari Patriot. Sansha's Nation Supporter
Stitcher Caldari Duty.	Posted - 2008.07.20 10:32:00 - [125] Originally by: Silver Night Good thing you're around, Mr Tarn-Hakatain, to prevent us from blinding them to how horribly they've really been treated... somehow... I guess? You misunderstand me - I'm not claiming you treat them horribly. One of the most effective ways to gain near-total control over a person is to convince them that you are their only friend in a harsh and uncaring galaxy. Get it right and they will hang on your every word, obey your every command without question and behave in every way like the most loyal of loyal slaves. You can strip a person of their ability to think for themselves far more effectively with a comfortable chair and a charismatic demeanor than you can with a whip and a gallon of Vitoc. It just takes longer. I suppose the process is shortened somewhat if your subject receives a direct stimulation of his pleasure centers to magnify the effects of positive reinforcement. I doubt you treat them horribly at all. But you're still robbing them of their minds. - Lt. Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain.
Kaianna Sela Duty.	Posted - 2008.07.20 14:32:00 - [126] Originally by: Stitcher Originally by: Silver Night Good thing you're around, Mr Tarn-Hakatain, to prevent us from blinding them to how horribly they've really been treated... somehow... I guess? You misunderstand me - I'm not claiming you treat them horribly. One of the most effective ways to gain near-total control over a person is to convince them that you are their only friend in a harsh and uncaring galaxy. Get it right and they will hang on your every word, obey your every command without question and behave in every way like the most loyal of loyal slaves. You can strip a person of their ability to think for themselves far more effectively with a comfortable chair and a charismatic demeanor than you can with a whip and a gallon of Vitoc. It just takes longer. I suppose the process is shortened somewhat if your subject receives a direct stimulation of his pleasure centers to magnify the effects of positive reinforcement. I doubt you treat them horribly at all. But you're still robbing them of their minds. Wait....so let me check. They're making slaves by being brutally, unbearably nice to them? Sick bastards.
Stitcher Caldari Duty.	Posted - 2008.07.20 15:34:00 - [127] It's a very classic brainwashing technique, Kaianna-haan. As employed by cults and sects all over the galaxy throughout history. ((OOC: I'm not really even making this up, either. Real-life cults cultivate a benign air in order to keep their members docile and agreeable. The reason the Church of Scientology has been so successful is that its members are convinced the "church" is out for their best interests - so they give all their money to it.)) - Lt. Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain.
Heartstone Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.07.20 15:42:00 - [128] I think I see your argument now Sticher. Naqam is evil for it promotes working for the corp at the expense of the self as "the corp knows best". The Nation is evil because it asks people to give up their individuality in order to promote the well being of the Nation that looks after them. What a terrible thing this would be Sticher. ---
Stitcher Caldari Duty.	Posted - 2008.07.20 15:48:00 - [129] Originally by: Heartstone I think I see your argument now Sticher. Naqam is evil for it promotes working for the corp at the expense of the self as "the corp knows best". The Nation is evil because it asks people to give up their individuality in order to promote the well being of the Nation that looks after them. What a terrible thing this would be Sticher. Yes indeed. What a terrible thing that would be. I feel so fortunate that I am a citizen of the Caldari State, which is nothing like that at all. - Lt. Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain.
Thorradin State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.07.20 16:06:00 - [130] Originally by: Stitcher Edited by: Stitcher on 19/07/2008 16:27:03 Originally by: Thorradin I don't care if some liberal Ishukone drones don't like me. Great, well that's MY opinion thrown firmly out the airlock then. Anyone from LDIS care to chip in and shut this idiot up? Stop embarrassing yourself Stitcher. If you can't handle someone not caring for your opinion, you've got a long, cruel life ahead of you.

Stitcher Caldari Duty.	Posted - 2008.07.20 17:07:00 - [131] It's at times like this that I regret only ever communicating in text... It's so inadequate for conveying scornful laughter. - Lt. Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain.
Leon 026 Caldari Vorace.	Posted - 2008.07.20 17:27:00 - [132] Edited by: Leon 026 on 20/07/2008 17:30:07 Heh, grabbing at straws. This makes me giggle. Figure I'd add this in as well : Originally by: Heartstone I think I see your argument now Sticher. Naqam is evil for it promotes working for the corp at the expense of the self as "the corp knows best". The Nation is evil because it asks people to give up their individuality in order to promote the well being of the Nation that looks after them. What a terrible thing this would be Sticher. The State is quite similar to that, if people are too blind to notice it yet. There is no individuality in the State because individuality is not needed, simple as. ------- Once I was fallen, now I have wings
Stitcher Caldari Duty.	Posted - 2008.07.20 18:05:00 - [133] Edited by: Stitcher on 20/07/2008 18:10:55 Originally by: Leon 026 The State is quite similar to that, if people are too blind to notice it yet. There is no individuality in the State because individuality is not needed, simple as. Which hellish backwater did YOU grow up in? I keep hearing people - even other Caldari - describe my home as this oppressive inhuman machine of a society, taking in human meat and spitting out efficient Caldari citizens. MY experience - an entire lifetime's worth of it - has been if not the precise opposite, then at least very different. Individuality is just fine with the State, so long as you always remember that the job and your duty to the people around you comes first. After that, you're your own person. Everyone has leisure time, and what you choose to do with that leisure time, or what luxuries you choose to spend your hard-earned money on, is entirely your own business. Hell, I was raised and educated in a corporate creche because my parents were off working all the time, and I was still raised with a strong sense of self and purpose - as well as a sense of where that self and purpose fitted within the greater structure of the State. - Lt. Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain.
Kora Bequin Strix Armaments and Defence	Posted - 2008.07.20 18:23:00 - [134] Edited by: Kora Bequin on 20/07/2008 18:24:12 There are many that believe, though somewhat incorrectly, that the State treats its citizens are mere cogs in a machine. Don't worry about them. They are the same people who believe that the Caldari unanimously support Heth or that the Amarr are all slavers and zealots.
Leon 026 Caldari Vorace.	Posted - 2008.07.20 18:34:00 - [135] I grew up in the State, actually. Makes me wonder what sort of good stuff you're on. Pure grade Crash maybe? Quote: ....so long as you always remember that the job and your duty to the people around you comes first. After that, you're your own person. Everyone has leisure time, and what you choose to do with that leisure time, or what luxuries you choose to spend your hard-earned money on, is entirely your own business. That's quite the contradiction. Spending your ISK on whatever pleasures after your job is done is hardly proof of "individuality". Individuality would denote individuals with freedom of thought with full freedom to take action that would define himself either socially or politically. And we all know that trying to be politically individualistic within the State is a great way to be ostracized, especially in the current era. ------- Once I was fallen, now I have wings
Silver Night Caldari Naqam	Posted - 2008.07.20 18:39:00 - [136] Originally by: Stitcher Originally by: Silver Night Good thing you're around, Mr Tarn-Hakatain, to prevent us from blinding them to how horribly they've really been treated... somehow... I guess? You can strip a person of their ability to think for themselves far more effectively with a comfortable chair and a charismatic demeanor than you can with a whip and a gallon of Vitoc. I'm thinking that maybe there are a few Matari who would disagree with you on that little point. Regardless, what you say would be true if we were directing these people in some kind of overarching goal. But we aren't. All we are doing is giving them a place to live and providing them with the support they need to live there. They aren't forced to subscribe to any ideology, although many have chosen to support the Nation. I'm confused about what you would have us do Mr Tarn-Hakatain. Should we be less humanitarian? Beat them perhaps? It seems like you are now reduced to faulting us for, well, just helping people. You yourself provided relief efforts I believe during the Caldari Prime and Malkalen tragedies. Were you robbing the people you helped of their minds, Mr Tarn-Hakatain? Do the Servant Sisters, in their many charitable efforts, create legions of mindless drones following their every command? Of course not. They, and you, help people. You are too blinded by your prejudice to allow that to be true of us, however. We don't strip people of their individuality. We certainly encourage people to form strong communities, but I don't see where I have been exhorting the subordination of the individual to some kind of 'Nation as a whole'. Fact of the matter is, as these people are in relatively small communities in different places, that really makes no sense. Certainly part of starting up any community includes doing things for the good of the community and not just yourself, but that is hardly some insidious deception. -------------- The Clown Man. GLS Mr. State Caldari Patriot. Sansha's Nation Supporter
Heartstone Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.07.20 18:44:00 - [137] Originally by: Kora Bequin Edited by: Kora Bequin on 20/07/2008 18:24:12 There are many that believe, though somewhat incorrectly, that the State treats its citizens are mere cogs in a machine. Don't worry about them. They are the same people who believe that the Caldari unanimously support Heth or that the Amarr are all slavers and zealots. Oh my dear Bequin of course I don't believe that about the Caldari I was merely pointing out that making a sweeping generalization about the Nation and those that support them is similar to those who make those sweeping generalizations of the Caldari, the Amarr or anyone else for that matter. Most people don't seem to want to give Naqam or any other entity associated with Sansha's ideals a chance to prove themselves. Not that should have to prove themselves of course. Sansha wasn't an evil man or a mad man or anything of the sort. He was a visionary who's work was perverted by those who worked alongside of him. Some of his ideals and political concepts would never have worked in practical terms in the universe we live in but that is like any form of theory. ---
Remus Navillum z3r0 Gravity Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.20 18:56:00 - [138] Pardon me for being a fly in the snippy, indignant, ideological ointment, but it seems only sensible to ask: aside from all the self-righteous bluster and bladder that everyone has been spewing since this declaration of war, has their been ANY actual aggression by Mixed Metaphor or Naqam, or any losses sustained on either side? 'Cause uh... y'know. Otherwise all the yelling is rendered kinda moot.
Silver Night Caldari Naqam	Posted - 2008.07.20 18:59:00 - [139] Originally by: Remus Navillum Pardon me for being a fly in the snippy, indignant, ideological ointment, but it seems only sensible to ask: aside from all the self-righteous bluster and bladder that everyone has been spewing since this declaration of war, has their been ANY actual aggression by Mixed Metaphor or Naqam, or any losses sustained on either side? 'Cause uh... y'know. Otherwise all the yelling is rendered kinda moot. As has been explained Mr Navillum, Mr Ixiris is most likely doing this primarily as a publicity stunt, because Naqam does not, in fact, have any real podder operations in Federate space in the first place. I could as easily declare war on BoB, tell them to get out of Jove space, and then declare victory a week later. As far as I know, most Naqam pilots aren't currently bored enough to go through all the trouble of flying up to empire to take a shot at MXD. If that changes, I'm sure it will be noted here. -------------- The Clown Man. GLS Mr. State Caldari Patriot. Sansha's Nation Supporter
Stitcher Caldari Duty.	Posted - 2008.07.20 23:47:00 - [140] Edited by: Stitcher on 20/07/2008 23:47:50 Originally by: Silver Night Originally by: Stitcher You can strip a person of their ability to think for themselves far more effectively with a comfortable chair and a charismatic demeanor than you can with a whip and a gallon of Vitoc. I'm thinking that maybe there are a few Matari who would disagree with you on that little point. Would they really? there's a cure for vitoc, and whips can be escaped. Quote: I'm confused about what you would have us do Mr Tarn-Hakatain. Should we be less humanitarian? Beat them perhaps? It seems like you are now reduced to faulting us for, well, just helping people. You could start by really helping them, not inducing them into a permanent hallucination of happiness. You AREN'T helping these people, Silver. All you're doing is taking their pain away. The two are leagues apart. Originally by: Leon 026 Individuality would denote individuals with freedom of thought with full freedom to take action that would define himself either socially or politically. I sort of guessed you grew up in the State. But I'm going to ask again: Which hellish backwater? Because I swear to you, the State you're describing doesn't even slightly resemble the one I grew up in, or the one I see every day. We've always been free to think for ourselves in the State. Unlike the Federation, however, we aren't naive enough to assume that everybody's opinion is worth listening to. Besides, you're always free to vote with your feet, even in the (highly atypical) modern political climate. Every citizen in the State has the freedom to leave it, if they so wish, and every citizen in the State is aware of that fact, too. I'd say that's the ultimate in liberties, actually - the freedom to say "This isn't working for me, I'm going to try something else". Yes, it's ostracization. So what? It also happens to be self-imposed - you're choosing to ostracize the whole rest of the State from your ideology, is it surprising that you are then ostracized in turn? If you reject the State's ideals, then the response you can expect is "Well, the border's right over there - here's your severance package. Best of luck in your new life." Of course, I admit that the above is the best-case scenario. Nowadays you'd have to wade through a month of interviews, background checks and paperwork before they finally decide you aren't a Gallente agent pulling out after a succesful mission, and maybe put up with some aggression, maybe an (unofficial) beating or two. Still, your definition of "freedom"'s right there at the end of that tunnel, if you can endure it (although you personally wouldn't have to, being a capsuleer) If you aren't with the State, then nothing is keeping you here. If you ARE with the State, then you work for the State, but your time off is your own to do whatever the hell you like with. You can be as much of an individual as you like - pursue your own hobbies, set up your own network of friends, watch the broadcasts you want, read the books you want, listen to the music you want, think whatever the frag you like. Quote: Spending your ISK on whatever pleasures after your job is done is hardly proof of "individuality". Isn't it? In a galaxy populated by trillions of people who will never hear your opinion, or will disagree with it, or will ignore it entirely, what IS the standard for individuality if not how we choose to entertain ourselves? Millions die every day in the Federation whose "liberty" achieved nothing. Are they in any way more of an individual than I am? Is individuality needed at all? Anywhere? Is it even truly embraced by the Federation? If your individual opinion differs from that of the mob, then tough luck - your individuality counts for jack. There IS individuality in the State, just as much as there is in the Federation. - Lt. Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain.

Natalcya Katla Naqam	Posted - 2008.07.21 02:31:00 - [141] You've been meeting yourself in the door so many times now, Captain Tarn-Hakatain, that I'm finding it impossible working out the pattern of your argument, if it really has any system to it at all. I invite you to take a closer look at just one of your arguments, and consider, if it is true, the implications that has in regard to your whole little crusade on this thread: Originally by: Stitcher Besides, you're always free to vote with your feet, even in the (highly atypical) modern political climate. Every citizen in the State has the freedom to leave it, if they so wish, and every citizen in the State is aware of that fact, too. I'd say that's the ultimate in liberties, actually - the freedom to say "This isn't working for me, I'm going to try something else". Which is it? Do you stand by the right and ability of your fellow citizens to "vote with their feet", or do you not?
Sahaquiel Faust Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2008.07.21 02:52:00 - [142] Here's a brief summary of what Naqam has accomplished in this war: an inordinate amount of posturing and bellicose talk. and when the opportunity came for one of their members to act on all of their promises he sat in a station for the better part of an hour. If MXD is so insignificant a threat then why do they hesitate? If they are to be believed they could make us die by simply looking in our general direction. this has proven to false. Viktor Javious wouldn't have come all the way to Dodixie just to take in the sights and experience the local Gallentean culture. Though he seems to be here on holiday. I can't imagine spewing ridiculous falsehoods is that tiring. oh well, C'est la vie. -----
Garion Avarr Amarr Zero Zero Traders YTMND.	Posted - 2008.07.21 02:55:00 - [143] Originally by: Natalcya Katla Which is it? Do you stand by the right and ability of your fellow citizens to "vote with their feet", or do you not? Red Herring fallacy, Katla. Twice. The arguement is not if they have the right to choose to try joining you, but rather exactly how much freedom they have to change their minds if they make that decision, and your methods in inducing them to make the decision in the first place -- and, in any event, whether or not Tarn-Hakatain acts according to his words holds no relevence to whether or not they are valid. ________________________________ This is not a signature.
Garion Avarr Amarr Zero Zero Traders YTMND.	Posted - 2008.07.21 03:04:00 - [144] Originally by: Silver Night Originally by: Stitcher You can strip a person of their ability to think for themselves far more effectively with a comfortable chair and a charismatic demeanor than you can with a whip and a gallon of Vitoc. I'm thinking that maybe there are a few Matari who would disagree with you on that little point. Would they really? If they were free enough to care to disagree, then it would rather prove the point that you can control the body with chains and chemicals, but controlling the spirit is rather more difficult to do with purely physical efforts. Unless the rumors that some of the Matari slaves that we treat ever so horribly want to escape are lies, of course . . . I suppose that could be the case. What do you think? On that note, this is one reason we should abandon our current form of slavery. We could have so many more converts using other methods. ________________________________ This is not a signature.
Natalcya Katla Naqam	Posted - 2008.07.21 03:32:00 - [145] If they don't fit in, and if they don't want help fitting in, and if they've otherwise not behaved in a way indicating that they should be detained, well, then as far as I'm able to determine, it will be right back out again for them. Maybe they'll have to fill out a questionnaire and go through some basic medical and psychological tests, but nothing like two months of grueling political interviews, or getting beaten up by the authorities. They may also have to pay for the trip home (or wherever else they want to go) out of their own pockets, but that's hardly different from any other expatriates. I guess that would mean there is less than nothing preventing a common citizen of the Nation from leaving.
Stitcher Caldari Duty.	Posted - 2008.07.21 03:32:00 - [146] Originally by: Natalcya Katla Which is it? Do you stand by the right and ability of your fellow citizens to "vote with their feet", or do you not? Sure. All I'm saying is, THAT is the only vote we get, and many (indeed, most) of us are happy that way. Anticipating your next question, the reason that is different from the sort of mental conditioning I am accusing your corporation of is that brainwashing would effectively remove the capacity to ever feel that desire. If you think I'm meeting myself in the door, I suggest you re-read my arguments, and actually pay attention this time. If you want the big print version for children though, what I'm saying boils down to this: A Caldari citizen has just as much freedom as anybody else, and more than some. That "some" includes the unfortunate human flotsam you've gathered over the months and bent to your purpose with your little brain-based tinker toy. - Lt. Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain.
Silver Night Caldari Naqam	Posted - 2008.07.21 03:42:00 - [147] Originally by: Stitcher You could start by really helping them, not inducing them into a permanent hallucination of happiness. You AREN'T helping these people, Silver. All you're doing is taking their pain away. The two are leagues apart. I suppose one of my flaws is an excess of patience. Still, for the very last time: 1)The chip is entirely voluntary, not everyone is choosing to have one installed, and those people who are will not even be getting it until they travel to Stain or Esoteria, mean it has no effect on their decision to go. 2) The Chip, once installed, does not, let me emphasis since this seems a difficult one - DOES NOT prevent a person from feeling the full range of normal emotions including pain, grief, and sadness. Humans, contrary to what you apparently believe, are fairly complex and often feel more than one emotion at a time. The chip is simply a tool that helps them deal with negative emotions in a more healthy way. Originally by: Sahaquiel Faust Here's a brief summary of what Naqam has accomplished in this war: an inordinate amount of posturing and bellicose talk. and when the opportunity came for one of their members to act on all of their promises he sat in a station for the better part of an hour. If MXD is so insignificant a threat then why do they hesitate? If they are to be believed they could make us die by simply looking in our general direction. this has proven to false. Viktor Javious wouldn't have come all the way to Dodixie just to take in the sights and experience the local Gallentean culture. Though he seems to be here on holiday. I can't imagine spewing ridiculous falsehoods is that tiring. oh well, C'est la vie. Yes, I've seen the logs, very entertaining. To paraphrase I believe Mr Ixiris posited that Mr Javious had come 40 jumps, and he wouldn't have done that for grocery shopping. I believe you, meanwhile, stuck to implying he was a coward for not fighting the two of you, Mr Faust. I regret to tell you that Mr Ixiris was incorrect, and you were yourself perhaps unaware of all the facts. I'll do my best to enlighten you. Mr Ixiris is incorrect because Mr Javious did not come forty jumps. He has access to jump clones, and so it was actually rather convenient. Additionally, he did go 'grocery' shopping, well, sort of. Specifically, he wanted a couple of specialty skill books not available in Delve and to enjoy a meal at a favorite restaurant of his. He is especially fond of the particular Long-limb Roe they have there you see. He was actually away from his communications gear taking care of a couple of last minute errands, clone jumped back to Delve, and only then noticed his systems had logged a rather long discussion between yourself and Mr Ixiris in the local comms. Of course, I suppose you could have docked, found him, and challenged him to fisticuffs. Being as he clone jumped, he likely didn't have a combat ship available even had he noticed your rather flamboyant display in local. As it is someone needs to talk to him about paying better attention to coms I suppose. I'd hate to have to embarrass you like this again. If we travel to the Federation for something other than groceries, you will know. Believe me. -------------- The Clown Man. GLS Mr. State Caldari Patriot. Sansha's Nation Supporter
Stitcher Caldari Duty.	Posted - 2008.07.21 03:54:00 - [148] Originally by: Silver Night 2) The Chip, once installed, does not, let me emphasis since this seems a difficult one - DOES NOT prevent a person from feeling the full range of normal emotions including pain, grief, and sadness. Humans, contrary to what you apparently believe, are fairly complex and often feel more than one emotion at a time. The chip is simply a tool that helps them deal with negative emotions in a more healthy way. Maybe so, but it DOES provide an artificial boost to an emotion that would otherwise be subdued or dormant. You're providing a crutch and calling it a cloned limb graft. You're giving them mild painkillers when what they need is a new hip. Medically and psychiatrically, what you are doing is reprehensible - you aren't providing treatment, you aren't HEALING these people. All you're doing is providing partial relief and assuming that you've magically solved all their problems. You're giving them minor cosmetic surgery and telling them that the bone fracture beneath is nothing to worry about. Never mind that there'll be the mental equivalent of an ugly calcified lump there by the end of the year, or that the patient's mobility will forever be impaired - you get your temporarily happy little supporter, your big public relations victory, and ten months down the line your new citizen is a seething ball of barely-suppressed psychoses because you never fixed their problem at all. - Lt. Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain.
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2008.07.21 04:01:00 - [149] Try again, Silver. No, really, try again. That was utterly awful. There aren't any academies in Dodixie, nor are there even any cloning facilities. Faust saw the, ahem, "erstwhile" Captain Javious sitting outside the station in Dodixie - the Federation Navy station, our home station in a system that is, as one of the world's most poorly-kept secrets, our home system. Now either you're telling me, straightfaced, that one of your members is stupid enough to jump to a Federation-local clone, pick up skills, go to some restaurant and then just happen to jump into what just a tiny shred of intel would have told him was the home system of a bunch of loud, angry, violence-inclined wartargets while not flying a combat-ready ship and then proceed to leave a clone of his unsupported in territory so that the moment he jumps back into it he'll be camped inside a station, or you're lying through your teeth. While I would like to think it's the former, I am going to be realistic place my bets on the latter, as I have, admittedly, seen far more evidence to suggest that your pilots are arrogant than that they are moronic. Either way, a highly disappointing show on Naqam's part. ----- CEO, Mixed Metaphor Dance Commander Asuka Smith > not even goons can make 30m ISK this interesting.
Silver Night Caldari Naqam	Posted - 2008.07.21 04:24:00 - [150] Interesting. Mr Javious did not in fact undock the entire time he was in the Federation. You understand? He didn't even bother access space side local comms. He jumped, made his purchases in the local station market - as you may know many skill books are stocked in systems that busy by enterprising podders (maybe you don't, though such a basic failure of knowledge about the market would be disappointing even in you). As you would know, were you a bit more competent, once created, no cloning facility is needed for the use of a jump clone. He slept. Visited a couple of acquaintances on the Station - he goes there a lot you understand, for this sort of shopping. He is very enthusiastic about the range of products available in the Federation apparently. A big fan of the culture. Not my cup of tea, personally. He had a, he tells me, delightful meal at his favorite restaurant. I haven't spent much time in the Federation myself, but he assures me that one (of many things) they do right is food. I believe the last minute errands I mentioned actually involved a... err... lady he knows. Which rather makes me forgive him for not noticing you in local, entertaining as reading the transcripts of your conversation was. So. Your pilot is lying. Unlike you, we have logs to back all of this up. Or rather, absence of logs - no dock or undock was recorded in the time period in question for Mr Javious. At all. So, either you are lying to all these nice people, or you have a serious discipline problem. Which is it Mr Ixiris? Do your pilots work you like a puppet, or are you just a liar? -------------- The Clown Man. GLS Mr. State Caldari Patriot. Sansha's Nation Supporter

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