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Zhenga
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Posted - 2008.07.16 12:43:00 -
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Edited by: Zhenga on 16/07/2008 12:46:15 I have heard form a lot of people that CCP is turning isk buyer accounts negative. This is brilliant idea on the part of CCP as it makes the isk buyer buy isk again, only from CCP at a higher price via game time cards. So just how much money is CCP making from this technique? If my account went neg, I would a) sell it off (if anyone would buy it. b) recycle it (even if it had 20M SPÆs) c) stop playing Eve and get a real life. Your thoughts?
-No my account is not Neg -No I do not buy isk (legally or illegally because people that do are stupid)
Edit- the Subject to be more clear of the topic
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randomindyalt
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.07.16 12:47:00 -
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About 15 tonnes in brie per annum. |
Batolemaeus
Caldari Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.07.16 12:47:00 -
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People do not buy isk from ccp, but subscription with isk, that other people buy with real money.
CCP does not make direct money with it, although it opens their market to people who do not have the rl iskies to pay for a sub, but a crapload of time.
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Zhenga
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Posted - 2008.07.16 12:51:00 -
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Originally by: Batolemaeus People do not buy isk from ccp, but subscription with isk, that other people buy with real money.
CCP does not make direct money with it, although it opens their market to people who do not have the rl iskies to pay for a sub, but a crapload of time.
Yes but people buy GTCÆs with RL money, then sell said GTC for isk meaning CCP made RL money for that isk.
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randomindyalt
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.07.16 12:53:00 -
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Originally by: Zhenga
Originally by: Batolemaeus People do not buy isk from ccp, but subscription with isk, that other people buy with real money.
CCP does not make direct money with it, although it opens their market to people who do not have the rl iskies to pay for a sub, but a crapload of time.
Yes but people buy GTCÆs with RL money, then sell said GTC for isk meaning CCP made RL money for that isk.
Yes, but someone else is paying for there sub through isk...u geddit? |
Tamia Clant
New Dawn Corp New Eden Research
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Posted - 2008.07.16 12:53:00 -
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Originally by: Zhenga Yes but people buy GTCÆs with RL money, then sell said GTC for isk meaning CCP made RL money for that isk.
CCP did make money selling the GTC, but someone used it to subscribe his account. Granted, CCP makes slightly more cash this way as GTCs are more expensive than normal subscription payments, but still it's no gold mine.
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randomindyalt
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.07.16 12:56:00 -
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Originally by: Tamia Clant GTCs are more expensive than normal subscription payments, but still it's no gold mine.
That's exchange rate dependant to be fair. |
davcin
Caldari davcin Corp
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Posted - 2008.07.16 12:59:00 -
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I would be more interested to know how much they are earning a year... (or lossing)
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Zhenga
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Posted - 2008.07.16 13:01:00 -
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Edited by: Zhenga on 16/07/2008 13:01:33
Originally by: randomindyalt
Originally by: Zhenga
Originally by: Batolemaeus People do not buy isk from ccp, but subscription with isk, that other people buy with real money.
CCP does not make direct money with it, although it opens their market to people who do not have the rl iskies to pay for a sub, but a crapload of time.
Yes but people buy GTCÆs with RL money, then sell said GTC for isk meaning CCP made RL money for that isk.
Yes, but someone else is paying for there sub through isk...u geddit?
got it! I still think it practically forces you to buy GTCÆs if CCP makes your account negative. Unless you think you can mission 5B isk as I have heard some people are in the hole for.
Edit for spelling
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Big Al
Stoat's Ultimate Carebear Adventure
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Posted - 2008.07.16 13:08:00 -
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Over 9000 American loldollars per year.
If you are an evil buyer of (INSERT NATIONALITY THAT IS FAMOUS FOR SELLING GOLD) ISK feel free to come on over to my house, cook me a few nice steaks and I'll take care of your negative balance.
Disclaimer: if you have a -10b balance, it's going to take awhile so you better pack a few changes of clothes and a few coolers full of tasty beef.
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Batolemaeus
Caldari Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.07.16 13:08:00 -
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So ccp is indirectly punishing people who bought isk in that they either have to leave, create a new character, or buy enough gtc to sell them to get positive bank balance again. Sounds fair to me, considering the potential damage isk farmers cause in eve, which is nearly exclusively based on a working economy.
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Arous Drephius
Alpha Research Group
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Posted - 2008.07.16 13:09:00 -
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You don't always have to mission it back up. You could get a private loan for the ammount you've got negative, then sell enough assets to pay back said loan (or at least put you a bit closer to the green).
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Vladimir Griftin
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Posted - 2008.07.16 13:12:00 -
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Originally by: davcin I would be more interested to know how much they are earning a year... (or lossing)
If they didn't offer the GTC service, and people HAD to use their credit cards to pay for subscriptions directly, there would be less subscriptions. Which is bad for EVE.
The GTC system isnt really a direct way of CCP making money, its a way of making EVE more accessible to people who may not be able to afford the subs.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.16 13:19:00 -
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Originally by: Zhenga So just how much money is CCP making from this technique?
One million dollars.
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc. The Requiem
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Posted - 2008.07.16 13:20:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Zhenga So just how much money is CCP making from this technique?
*pinky at side of mouth* One million dollars.
Fixed. :)
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randomindyalt
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.07.16 13:23:00 -
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Originally by: Vladimir Griftin The GTC system isnt really a direct way of CCP making money, its a way of making EVE more accessible to people who may not be able to afford the subs.
Quoting dis
It's where most of the anti GTC trading crowd miss the point, the fact that more affluent folks are able to make an in game profit from this trade is secondary the amount of folks that it actually allows to play. |
Martin Mckenna
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.07.16 13:24:00 -
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Originally by: Zhenga c) stop playing Eve and get a real life.
Your thoughts?
You should proly get a real life. Ive got one and manage to play eve. Its a good balance.
Give it a go.
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Arana Tellen
Gallente Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.07.16 13:25:00 -
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Solution: Dont buy isk from isk sellers? ---------------------------------
Oh noes!
Originally by: CCP Greyscale *moderated - mother abuse - Mitnal*
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Tenacha Khan
E-Thugz
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Posted - 2008.07.16 13:29:00 -
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CCP isnt turning isk buyer accounts negative as a punishment, they are removing the isk that was sent to that account by an isk seller. Unless the person who bought the isk used it all to purchase ships and implants and then subsequently lost them all, the should still be able to pay back the vast majority.
Purchasing isk via farmers ruins the game, it crashes prices on certain easy repetitive tasks such as mining, mining is one of the best resources a new player has at his or her disposal and can seem off putting in the early stages. In my opinion, the people that purchase isk dont just ruin the game for themselves, they ruin the game for alot of other players also; thats not even mentioning the harm they are doing to people in real life that work in these computer sweat shops.
In short, they should have their chars deleted, their accounts and ips banned and ultimatly go to Hell for their crimes against the eve community and hummanity at large.
Nuff said
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Zhenga
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Posted - 2008.07.16 13:46:00 -
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Originally by: Vladimir Griftin
Originally by: davcin I would be more interested to know how much they are earning a year... (or lossing)
If they didn't offer the GTC service, and people HAD to use their credit cards to pay for subscriptions directly, there would be less subscriptions. Which is bad for EVE.
The GTC system isnt really a direct way of CCP making money, its a way of making EVE more accessible to people who may not be able to afford the subs.
Not afford the sub?? I just donÆt buy that.
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randomindyalt
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.07.16 13:54:00 -
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Originally by: Zhenga Not afford the sub?? I just donÆt buy that.
You are aware of the current financial slow down, right? |
Zhenga
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Posted - 2008.07.16 14:17:00 -
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Originally by: randomindyalt
Originally by: Zhenga Not afford the sub?? I just donÆt buy that.
You are aware of the current financial slow down, right?
Why does that matter, its $15. Even if you make min wage in the US thatÆs not even 2 hours of work for the mo. (min is $8/per?) this is nothing.
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randomindyalt
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.07.16 14:22:00 -
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Originally by: Zhenga Why does that matter, its $15. Even if you make min wage in the US thatÆs not even 2 hours of work for the mo. (min is $8/per?) this is nothing.
Surprisingly, internet spaceships games and the financing of may not be the top priority for someone who's been laid off work, has kids to feed and bills to pay. Don't cha think? |
Zhenga
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Posted - 2008.07.16 14:27:00 -
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Originally by: randomindyalt
Originally by: Zhenga Why does that matter, its $15. Even if you make min wage in the US thatÆs not even 2 hours of work for the mo. (min is $8/per?) this is nothing.
Surprisingly, internet spaceships games and the financing of may not be the top priority for someone who's been laid off work, has kids to feed and bills to pay. Don't cha think?
Is this not why we keep 6 mo. living expense in an æemergencyÆ account?? So life can go on as normal.
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randomindyalt
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.07.16 14:29:00 -
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Originally by: Zhenga Is this not why we keep 6 mo. living expense in an æemergencyÆ account?? So life can go on as normal.
Who's this WE you speak of? |
Zhenga
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Posted - 2008.07.16 14:33:00 -
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Originally by: randomindyalt
Originally by: Zhenga Is this not why we keep 6 mo. living expense in an æemergencyÆ account?? So life can go on as normal.
Who's this WE you speak of?
I was always taught to have this. Are we not all taught to have an emergency account for the scenario that you painted above?
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randomindyalt
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.07.16 14:39:00 -
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Originally by: Zhenga I was always taught to have this. Are we not all taught to have an emergency account for the scenario that you painted above?
It's just an example that was off the top of my head. A GTC buyer may just be a kid without a cash income; there are all sorts of reasons for buying them.
BTW, if you think everyone out there has or is even able to have 6 months salary squirreled away then you need to stop playing games and spend some time taking a look at the real world.
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Tenacha Khan
E-Thugz
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Posted - 2008.07.16 14:40:00 -
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lol, I dont...I live month to month; and so do most of the people i know and just rely on family and friends if caught in a bind.
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Solomunio Kzenig
Amarr SPORADIC MOVEMENT The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2008.07.16 14:49:00 -
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Originally by: Tenacha Khan lol, I dont...I live month to month; and so do most of the people i know and just rely on family and friends if caught in a bind.
^^This, unless you are living in a ****in mansion with oddles of money, people in the real world are hurting bad atm. Inflation, mainly food and fuel, but feeding through to every other part of the economy is putting a serious dent in peoples finances.
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Steve Celeste
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Posted - 2008.07.16 15:09:00 -
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Originally by: Big Al Over 9000 American loldollars per year.
Power level.
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