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Zagamesh
Strix Armaments and Defence
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Posted - 2008.07.16 22:45:00 -
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Excellent work Captain. Nowhere is safe for the enemies of freedom. |
Zagamesh
Strix Armaments and Defence
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Posted - 2008.07.17 04:26:00 -
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 Originally by: Keorythe
Take your "enemies of freedom" quotes to the Amarr/Minmatar threads where they belong. The Gallente are no friends of freedom considering what they did to the Caldari before and during the exodus and what led up to the current war.
The Caldari began the first war when their Corporation's deniable assets collapsed the dome of Nouvelle Rouvenor. The Federation had every right to respond to such an act of absolute betrayal and villainy on the part of the Caldari with every means at their disposal.
As for the current war, the Caldari again were the aggressors. So envious are they of our Federation's prosperity and freedom and once again we are in the right to use every tactic at our disposal to prosecute this war. Even though today we may only be fighting a CONCORD sponsored proxy war, I for one cannot wait for the day when the full might of the Federation is unleashed upon your pathetic State and every planet is nothing more than plains of glass.
Perhaps this time the Federation will have the strength and conviction to finally end the Caldari menace. |
Zagamesh
Strix Armaments and Defence
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Posted - 2008.07.17 04:52:00 -
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Originally by: Vieve Tisserand
Effective immediately, my leave of absence from corporate military operations is extended indefinitely.
Such is your right. A combat zone is probably no place for a bleeding heart, limp-wristed leftist such as yourself. Why don't you go organize a protest or go write to your Senator about how this war so badly affects your sensitive sensibilities while good men and women fight and die to secure the freedoms you enjoy.
I'm disappointed, I truly am. |
Zagamesh
Strix Armaments and Defence
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Posted - 2008.07.17 06:13:00 -
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Edited by: Zagamesh on 17/07/2008 06:13:16
Originally by: Vieve Tisserand
It will not compel me to support your or anyone else's endorsing genocide.
Genocide? Not at all. I endorse the destruction of the State's Corporations and their immoral culture.
Although some Caldari are capable of cultural enlightenment and are more than capable of integrating into the Federation; a far greater number cling steadfastly to their obsolete anachronism of a "culture".
A culture which endorses blatant militarism and an almost feudal loyalty to the Corporations.
Corporations which in turn do nothing more than stamp their boots on the backs of their employees as they endeavour to drain every last ISK from them. While the priviledged heirs of families which own the stocks of the Megacorps down some more long-limbed roes.
Corporations that attempt to destroy every shred of individuality, freedom, and humanity until all their employees march in goose-step together as they chant their corporate lines. Control every aspect of their lives until the only reality they know is that which the Corporation so carefully creates for them. Their only thoughts those the Corporation's memeticists conjure up.
Corporations ,and by extension their employees, which willingly support and condone the actions of their Dictator, Tibus Heth. A xenophobic madman whom put Federal citizens into camps and stripped them of their belongings all the while being terrorrized by his "provists". A man who dragged our Federation into a war for no other reason than ignorance and to satiate his hatred.
The Corporations and their employees have shown their utter lack of morality, civility and just plain human decency in their support for this man. So long as the State's culture and Corporations support men such as Heth then the only way our Federation will ever know peace is in the complete and utter eradication of their State, their corporations and their culture.
If it requires the destruction of the State on an such a scale as to be compared to genocide, then so be it. I won't be shedding any tears for the Caldari.
Weak men and women such as yourself Mlle. Tisserand prevented us in finally ending the threat of the Caldari Corporations in the first war. I only hope we have learnt from history and do not repeat the mistakes of the past.
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Zagamesh
Strix Armaments and Defence
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Posted - 2008.07.19 03:50:00 -
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Originally by: Ereka Nihil
So is this what the average Federal citizen thinks of the Caldari? Nothing more than a disease to exterminate, an error to correct?
That sums up the State pretty well.
Originally by: Ereka Nihil
How barbaric. Maybe I was mistaken all these years, seeing the Gallente as a noble group of people who strove to defend peace and freedom, liberated intellect in a sea of conformity and dogma.
Pffft, yeah I'm a noble knight of Garoun riding out to protect fair damsels from the lecherous advances of dirty peasants. Why don't you leave such naive notions and fairytales in the kindergarten classrom where it belongs. A certain degree of barbarity is required in this war - to ensure the safety and survival of the Federation against an evil and immoral enemy.
Originally by: Ereka Nihil
Wishing this upon an entire race of people is nothing short of genocide. There are innocents in this conflict, people who literally have no choice but to endure Heth's rule or starve in the streets at night, parents who have children to feed and provide a future for. Yet you treat them all as little puppets of that dictatorial monster, fit for nothing but eradication.
All the citizens of a state are responsible for the actions of that state. All the Caldari are just as guilty as their leaders for instigating this war against the Federation.
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Zagamesh
Strix Armaments and Defence
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Posted - 2008.07.19 22:52:00 -
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Edited by: Zagamesh on 19/07/2008 22:55:00
Originally by: Julianus Soter
But the People of the State are where we must place our hopes for a lasting peace. Otro Gariushi's death must not have been in vain... his life must not have been lived in vain.
You seem to have alot of respect and admiration for a man whose corporation he ran profited greatly from the sale of transcranial microcontrollers to the Khanid Kingdom. Devices which were promptly used on the enslaved peoples of that nation. Devices which removed all semblance of individual thought, will or action on those that were subjected to such an abhorrent implement. Perhaps you also condone contributing to the enslavement and oppression of entire peoples in order to satisfy your greed just like Otro Gariushi? It wouldn't surprise me, you Caldari-loving dog. Fortunate indeed that the hero Alexander Noir martyred himself to end the existence of such a disgusting man at Malkalen.
Originally by: Julianus Soter
Peaceful coexistence between our two civilizations and cultures is the only bulwark we have against total annihilation.
We gave them peace once. We extendended our hands in friendship towards them and all we recieved in turn was to be bitten again by war and aggression on the part of the Caldari. The only way the Federation shall know peace is in the total annihilation of the Caldari State. Do you wish for peace Captain Solter, or to simply repeat the mistakes of the past so that our descendents will have to continue to face the threat of Caldari aggression?
Originally by: Julianus Soter
Calls for murder, and premeditation of that murder, are completely intolerable.
I agree, although if this is in reference to myself it is erroneous. I have never participated in a killing that was unlawful either by those of CONCORD or that of the Federation and never will. If it is in reference to the tactic of planetary "glassing" then all that I have to say is this: If a lawful order was given by the government of the Federation to sanction such a tactic then I fail to see how it would be classified as murder as it would not be an illegal action to enforce.
On that point, I fail to find the basis of the outrage on such a tactic. Full planetary destruction of key strategic planets within the State should remain as a viable alternative where planetary occupation would be unfeasible; or if it is determined that the ability to hold the system the planet is located in is untentable such a tactic will deny the use of that planet's resources to the enemy. Besides, if enough damage is inflicted it will bring a speedy resolution to this war as a State in diaspora presents little credible threat to the safety of the Federation. Although, personally I would see it as a great tragedy to see such destruction in the Irridente of Lonetrek, The Forge, The Citadel, and Black Rise I am certain those planets would be habitable again in possibly a century or two.
At the end of the day Captain Solter, I should remind you in case you have forgotten or indeed if you have ever even known that in the Federation there is a difference between what a man thinks and what a man does. I have the unalienable right to think and believe what I damn well please, just as any other citizen of the Federation has. Do you presume now that you wish Strix to censor me for simply excercising my right to state those thoughts and beliefs simply because they do not fall in line with your own? Do you, like your hero Otro Gariushi want to stick a transcranial microcontroller in my head so that I think and believe as you do in line with your "cause"? If so, I will call you for what you are:
A Fascist.
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Zagamesh
Strix Armaments and Defence
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Posted - 2008.07.20 11:05:00 -
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Originally by: Stitcher
It would, actually. The Yulai treaty again.
If this war heats up further than the Yulai treaty and the CONCORD Assembly will exist only in the history books. Good riddance I say, CONCORD is nothing more than an obsolete institution that interferes in the foreign policy of the Federation.
Originally by: Stitcher
Besides, I'm amazed at hearing any Gallente-aligned pilot state that they would willingly follow that order, despite the magnitude of atrocity it would represent. I thought an inability to say "no" to unjust orders was a failing of my own people...
An unlawful order would be one that is contrary to the Rules of Engagement of a military organization acting on the behalf of its state. If the lawful government of a state orders that a planet must be destroyed then it is not unlawful for the military of that state to carry out that order.
Originally by: Stitcher
Alternatively, you could just leave us the hell alone. I notice that one's not occurred to anyone yet...
Alternatively, the State could surrender, withdraw their troops from Luminaire, demobilize thier military, pay reparations to injured parties and accept Federal peacekeepers on all planets of the State. Such an action, I assure you, will prevent any further bloodshed.
Alternatively, everyone in your State can go take a Promethium bath and go die in a fire.
Originally by: Stitcher
Not to mention that you'd be killing billions of innocents.
No such thing exists right now as an innocent citizen of the State.
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