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Elfaen Ethenwe Caldari Invicta.	Posted - 2008.07.16 16:20:00 - [1] As the corp i fly under has been taking a few days r&r after what has possibly been one of the most sucessful starts to the war from any of the capsuleer corperations. I decided to go spend some time with the caldari in one of there hi-sec agent hubs. I took along with me a friend from a capsuleer alliance to keep my company in the stations caffee and together we waged our own personal war against the clients of Kikosuda Partoh,a high ranking caldari navy agent. Im not normally one for advertising stats but the sheer numbers warrented listing. Since friday evening i have managed to strip caldari forces of the following: Caldari Navy Ravens 4 Battleships 12 Battlecruisers 5 Caracel Navy issue 1 Cruisers 5 logistic ships 1 Other kills 11 and 3 pod kills this was all for the loss of one astarte. Caldari, i really do hope this isnt the best you offer in defence. I would like to thank Menace Ace, formally of Omen. for logistical support over the weekend. He has the patience of a saint. rejoice my fellow allies, we are destined to win this war <><><>Together we gank, devided we pop<><><><> Kai made me a sig \o/
lethario desrtuction 42 Inc	Posted - 2008.07.16 16:25:00 - [2] Very nice congrats from a old friend
Hero Crane Bilge Rats of Tortuga	Posted - 2008.07.16 18:13:00 - [3] Very nice, luv... you're a true asset to the federation WHO'S...YOUR...HERO!!!
Absolom Hues Gallente Strix Armaments and Defence	Posted - 2008.07.16 18:47:00 - [4] I likewise "tip my hat" to your success. It is good to see reports of the Caldari war effort being hampered. ___ Serving the Gallente Federation... one Caldari ship at a time.
3ll3 Gallente Tranquillity Nation	Posted - 2008.07.16 20:32:00 - [5] Do not count your Minerals before they have been mined and hualed my friend. if I know any thing about the Caldari it is that while they are caught napping they are not so tough but when you awaken them they tend to come at you like Bear with a sore head. Do not underestermate your enemy it is the golden unwritten rule of combat, I congratulate you on your victories but advice caution over premature victory celebrations. Sorry about the spelling by the way
Zagamesh Strix Armaments and Defence	Posted - 2008.07.16 22:45:00 - [6] Excellent work Captain. Nowhere is safe for the enemies of freedom.
Stitcher Caldari Duty.	Posted - 2008.07.16 23:18:00 - [7] Originally by: Zagamesh Excellent work Captain. Nowhere is safe for the enemies of freedom. Oh, that one's rich. "Enemies of freedom"? I've been called a lot of things in my time, but I've never been accused of that one before. Anyway, thank you, Pilot Ethenwe, for providing some of our rookie pilots with a much-needed education. I assure you, those people were a LONG way from representing the best our forces have to offer. - Lt. Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain.
Keorythe Caldari Terra Rosa Militia Sev3rance	Posted - 2008.07.17 00:35:00 - [8] Originally by: El*** Ethenwe* Caldari, i really do hope this isnt the best you offer in defence. You and a friend fought mission rigged ships in pvp rigged ships and you wonder why you did so well. Even a pvp rigged Brutix with a single ECM can trash a lone navy issue Raven thats rigged for pve.
Keorythe Caldari Terra Rosa Militia Sev3rance	Posted - 2008.07.17 00:38:00 - [9] Originally by: Zagamesh Excellent work Captain. Nowhere is safe for the enemies of freedom. Take your "enemies of freedom" quotes to the Amarr/Minmatar threads where they belong. The Gallente are no friends of freedom considering what they did to the Caldari before and during the exodus and what led up to the current war.
Hero Crane Bilge Rats of Tortuga	Posted - 2008.07.17 01:06:00 - [10] Originally by: Keorythe Originally by: El*** Ethenwe* Caldari, i really do hope this isnt the best you offer in defence. You and a friend fought mission rigged ships in pvp rigged ships and you wonder why you did so well. Even a pvp rigged Brutix with a single ECM can trash a lone navy issue Raven thats rigged for pve. mission rigged? whoa whoa...are you just guessing because if not cite your evidence. It seems a little moronic and whiny to just assume that all the ships were fitted for missioning with no proof. and even if they were ALL mission fitted(however unlikely), still 39 ships in the SAME system!?! you'd think after the first three kills, they'd wise up and properly fit their ships or...do something useful other than add to the death toll. So, again to the OP: congrats and well done WHO'S...YOUR...HERO!!!

Zagamesh Strix Armaments and Defence	Posted - 2008.07.17 04:26:00 - [11] Originally by: Keorythe Take your "enemies of freedom" quotes to the Amarr/Minmatar threads where they belong. The Gallente are no friends of freedom considering what they did to the Caldari before and during the exodus and what led up to the current war. The Caldari began the first war when their Corporation's deniable assets collapsed the dome of Nouvelle Rouvenor. The Federation had every right to respond to such an act of absolute betrayal and villainy on the part of the Caldari with every means at their disposal. As for the current war, the Caldari again were the aggressors. So envious are they of our Federation's prosperity and freedom and once again we are in the right to use every tactic at our disposal to prosecute this war. Even though today we may only be fighting a CONCORD sponsored proxy war, I for one cannot wait for the day when the full might of the Federation is unleashed upon your pathetic State and every planet is nothing more than plains of glass. Perhaps this time the Federation will have the strength and conviction to finally end the Caldari menace.
Vieve Tisserand Gallente Strix Armaments and Defence	Posted - 2008.07.17 04:42:00 - [12] Originally by: Zagamesh Even though today we may only be fighting a CONCORD sponsored proxy war, I for one cannot wait for the day when the full might of the Federation is unleashed upon your pathetic State and every planet is nothing more than plains of glass. Perhaps this time the Federation will have the strength and conviction to finally end the Caldari menace. And this, ladies and gentlemen, is precisely why I have no desire to be a diplomatic officer. Effective immediately, my leave of absence from corporate military operations is extended indefinitely. Oh, Captain Ethenwe, since I completely failed to see any mention of it in your initial announcement of your recent activities in Aramachi -- could you please clarify for the cluster whether or not the pilots you targeted were all members of the State Protectorate militia? Thank you. That would be kind.
Zagamesh Strix Armaments and Defence	Posted - 2008.07.17 04:52:00 - [13] Originally by: Vieve Tisserand Effective immediately, my leave of absence from corporate military operations is extended indefinitely. Such is your right. A combat zone is probably no place for a bleeding heart, limp-wristed leftist such as yourself. Why don't you go organize a protest or go write to your Senator about how this war so badly affects your sensitive sensibilities while good men and women fight and die to secure the freedoms you enjoy. I'm disappointed, I truly am.
Hero Crane Bilge Rats of Tortuga	Posted - 2008.07.17 05:01:00 - [14] Originally by: Zagamesh Such is your right. A combat zone is probably no place for a bleeding heart, limp-wristed leftist such as yourself. Why don't you go organize a protest or go write to your Senator about how this war so badly affects your sensitive sensibilities while good men and women fight and die to secure the freedoms you enjoy. I'm disappointed, I truly am. QFT WHO'S...YOUR...HERO!!!
Vieve Tisserand Gallente Strix Armaments and Defence	Posted - 2008.07.17 05:19:00 - [15] Originally by: Zagamesh Such is your right. A combat zone is probably no place for a bleeding heart, limp-wristed leftist such as yourself. Why don't you go organize a protest or go write to your Senator about how this war so badly affects your sensitive sensibilities while good men and women fight and die to secure the freedoms you enjoy. I'm disappointed, I truly am. Leftist. I think that is likely the first time I have ever been called that. Organize a protest? Write to my Senator? Fate, you truly do know nothing about me, do you? But, call me and suggest to me whatever you wish. It will not compel me to support your or anyone else's endorsing genocide. As for your disappointment, consider the feeling more than mutual.
Zagamesh Strix Armaments and Defence	Posted - 2008.07.17 06:13:00 - [16] Edited by: Zagamesh on 17/07/2008 06:13:16 Originally by: Vieve Tisserand It will not compel me to support your or anyone else's endorsing genocide. Genocide? Not at all. I endorse the destruction of the State's Corporations and their immoral culture. Although some Caldari are capable of cultural enlightenment and are more than capable of integrating into the Federation; a far greater number cling steadfastly to their obsolete anachronism of a "culture". A culture which endorses blatant militarism and an almost feudal loyalty to the Corporations. Corporations which in turn do nothing more than stamp their boots on the backs of their employees as they endeavour to drain every last ISK from them. While the priviledged heirs of families which own the stocks of the Megacorps down some more long-limbed roes. Corporations that attempt to destroy every shred of individuality, freedom, and humanity until all their employees march in goose-step together as they chant their corporate lines. Control every aspect of their lives until the only reality they know is that which the Corporation so carefully creates for them. Their only thoughts those the Corporation's memeticists conjure up. Corporations ,and by extension their employees, which willingly support and condone the actions of their Dictator, Tibus Heth. A xenophobic madman whom put Federal citizens into camps and stripped them of their belongings all the while being terrorrized by his "provists". A man who dragged our Federation into a war for no other reason than ignorance and to satiate his hatred. The Corporations and their employees have shown their utter lack of morality, civility and just plain human decency in their support for this man. So long as the State's culture and Corporations support men such as Heth then the only way our Federation will ever know peace is in the complete and utter eradication of their State, their corporations and their culture. If it requires the destruction of the State on an such a scale as to be compared to genocide, then so be it. I won't be shedding any tears for the Caldari. Weak men and women such as yourself Mlle. Tisserand prevented us in finally ending the threat of the Caldari Corporations in the first war. I only hope we have learnt from history and do not repeat the mistakes of the past.
Ereka Nihil Crux Offensive Systems	Posted - 2008.07.17 08:08:00 - [17] Originally by: Zagamesh ...I for one cannot wait for the day when the full might of the Federation is unleashed upon your pathetic State and every planet is nothing more than plains of glass. Perhaps this time the Federation will have the strength and conviction to finally end the Caldari menace. So is this what the average Federal citizen thinks of the Caldari? Nothing more than a disease to exterminate, an error to correct? How barbaric. Maybe I was mistaken all these years, seeing the Gallente as a noble group of people who strove to defend peace and freedom, liberated intellect in a sea of conformity and dogma. Wishing this upon an entire race of people is nothing short of genocide. There are innocents in this conflict, people who literally have no choice but to endure Heth's rule or starve in the streets at night, parents who have children to feed and provide a future for. Yet you treat them all as little puppets of that dictatorial monster, fit for nothing but eradication. Incredible.
Kade Jeekin Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2008.07.17 09:32:00 - [18] Originally by: Zagamesh Weak men and women such as yourself Mlle. Tisserand prevented us in finally ending the threat of the Caldari Corporations in the first war. I only hope we have learnt from history and do not repeat the mistakes of the past. Zagamesh, without denying your justified vitriol against the Caldari state I wish to point you to the real historical reason for the signing of peace between your Federation and the State. ie stalemate followed by realisation of a greater threat, the Amarrian Empire. Source It is disingenuous of you to infer that the very liberalism you fight for is the cause of your failure to beat the Caldari state militarily. That this liberalism was so economically successful is what has led the Caldari to attempt to disrupt it, through jealousy. As to the OP. Well done. --------------------------------------- Outface the depths of evil with clarity ---------------------------------------
Elfaen Ethenwe Caldari Invicta.	Posted - 2008.07.17 10:11:00 - [19] Vieve, Not all poilots engaged were state militia, some were supporters. owever no neutral entities were enaged. And in response to those who say i engaged only defensless money farming mission runners, think again. The caldari did at times put up quite a lot of resistance, however i crushed it. <><><>Together we gank, devided we pop<><><><> Kai made me a sig \o/
Cypher Deus Caldari Strix Armaments and Defence	Posted - 2008.07.17 11:32:00 - [20] Edited by: Cypher Deus on 17/07/2008 11:33:19 Originally by: Zagamesh Even though today we may only be fighting a CONCORD sponsored proxy war, I for one cannot wait for the day when the full might of the Federation is unleashed upon your pathetic State and every planet is nothing more than plains of glass. Perhaps this time the Federation will have the strength and conviction to finally end the Caldari menace. I'm afraid that I will have to disagree with you on this point Captain Zagamesh. I believe it is a gross generalisation to consider the entire Caldari State to be a menace - as with all such things, it is a minority that our argument is with, with the majority being innocent in this matter. Our argument being with the monster Heth and his cronies, who have subverted the Caldari system for their own ends. The Caldari people in general are good but lack the power to rise up against Heth - witness the recent "Brothers of Freedom" actions to see how swiftly and effectively the State deals with those who strive to fight the inadequacies of the system from within.

Gerrard DuNord Strix Armaments and Defence	Posted - 2008.07.17 12:47:00 - [21] I think it's vital here to distinguish between the Caldari people and the murderous, fascist dogs that support the current political make-up of the Caldari State. To this end, any references to the 'State' that I make should be seen in this context. Racial or ethnic divisions are soley useful when wishing to identify a group of people by their origin. Wishing ill on any person based on their place of birth is to be condemned. However, wishing ill on those who support the fascist regime that currently reigns in the State is to be wholeheartedly commended. I would not go as far as Captain Zagamesh in desiring the Caldari planets to be turned 'to glass', but I would support his desire to eradicate any supporters of the State from the face of the galaxy. When individuals are cohersed, bullied or forced to bend to the wishes of a ruling elite it should be opposed by any right minded person. Not that I'd argue that the Federation is perfect, as it is not by any means. However, the difference is that the Federation attempts to place individual liberty at the heart of it's policy. When dealing with populations of countless billions it is very difficult to achieve true consensus, but that does not mean the goal is any less valid. The State is guilty of crimes against both it's own people and those of other nations. I fight just as much for the rights of the downtrodden masses in Caldari space as I do for the defence of the Federation. When dealing with those who seek to oppress I neither give quarter, nor expect to receive it. If the cost of freedom has to be paid for in blood, then so be it, I will shed mine on the front line alongside those who seek to create a galaxy where all peoples can live in freedom and prosperity regardless of ethnic origin. And just to pre-empt anticipated replies from State lapdogs, I don't support Federation expansion into areas where the people do not desire to be part of the Federation. I do believe, however, that the true desires of the Caldari people are not heard due to their throats being trodden upon by the jackboots of a small minority of their own kin who seek to exploit them. Once those boots are forever removed by force of arms, whatever the will is of the Caldari people for their future can be brought to fruition.
Drethon Gallente Selinir	Posted - 2008.07.17 14:13:00 - [22] Originally by: Vieve Tisserand Effective immediately, my leave of absence from corporate military operations is extended indefinitely. Vieve, just remember there are still just battles to be fought. If you don't feel it right to participate in battles against the State militia there are still innocents to be protected. Pacifism has its place but only when those who cannot defend themselves are not under attack and fighting to defend is always worthwhile, even if it means I may have to fight alongside the State militia if the Federation do not stop once the State stop attacking Federation space. If I read too much into your statement and you do not intend to go fully pacifist, please ignore my statement. Originally by: Ereka Nihil So is this what the average Federal citizen thinks of the Caldari? Nothing more than a disease to exterminate, an error to correct? Ereka, my closest friend is an Achura. I do not respect any race of the State or other empires any less or more than I do my own people. I had hoped this war could be avoided but now it is too late. This war places many in the Federation in a very hard position. We see Caldari forces invading our space and killing Federation people in the process. Most in the Federation have never personally met Heth or any of those directly involved in the attack and cannot fight directly against these people. As a result they lash out against what they can find, any Caldari, whether or not they were involved in the attacks. It is part of the nature of all people to want to lash out when attacked and if they cannot lash out at their attackers they will lash out at the next closest thing they can find, sometimes even their own families. Help us by showing that Caldari are not some evil demons intent on destroying the Federation. There are many who simply wish for blood and will not listen but many others can be swayed. I regret every life I must take but laying down your sword for peace with an implacable enemy can instead mean your enemy is the only one who has peace. I will end fighting for the Federation when no hostile ships are occupying Federation space. ____ "Some times peace must be purchased at the tip of a sword."
Vieve Tisserand Gallente Strix Armaments and Defence	Posted - 2008.07.17 17:41:00 - [23] Originally by: Drethon ...even if it means I may have to fight alongside the State militia if the Federation do not stop once the State stop attacking Federation space. I think you understand me better than you initially believed. I did say 'corporate' military operations. Please do not be terribly surprised at the idea of Ereka and I hosting ... hmm ... a girls' night out in Placid.
Trent Valtine Gallente Strix Armaments and Defence	Posted - 2008.07.17 18:25:00 - [24] Captain Nihil, Zagamesh speaks for no one but himself. His views are certainly those of the far-right minority. Zagamesh, I disagree with your views of the State completely. Though the current incarnation of the Caldari State is ruled by a facist, warmongering fool who murdered countless Gallente citizens in the destruction he caused on Caldari Prime, it is not the role of the Federation to dismantle the whole State government. Only the Caldari people can do that. It must be a choice from the inside, not something forced on it from the outside. The Caldari people I've known throughout my life are good, practical, hard working people who are able to put the needs to society above their own needs. They were some of the best members of any union I helped organize before my time as a capsuleer. I firmly believe that they will put up with only so much of Heth's racist stupidity before realizing that it's bad for society and bad for business. Hopefully that tipping point comes sooner rather than later. It is, however, the duty of the Federation to protect its citizens. If that means keeping our low sec territory uncontested, that is what I will work towards. However, if it comes to a point that the only way we can protect ourselves from Caldari aggression is to push our walls right up to the edge of Caldari high-sec, I will do that as well. However, I will not be a part of actively taking down the State. The Federation and its people is better than that. We can work with the State side-by-side, peacefully, as long as the State keeps its hands to its self. However, it has not been doing that recently. All we truly want is peace. It is the State that has forced us to fight for it.
Kora Bequin Strix Armaments and Defence	Posted - 2008.07.17 20:42:00 - [25] I must agree with Mme. Tisserand and Monsieur Valtine. I for one have not been actively engaged in militia matters despite my corporation's alliance. However, I do support the war as long as it's restricted to Heth's forces and those who would follow such a murderer. Most of the Federation did not and still do not want this war. It has been forced on us by Heth. But that does not mean we will not fight back. In fact, I believe this war will end the way the previous one did, in a stalemate. All the Caldari will get out of this is perhaps Caldari Prime (which they should have been given back long ago) when everything is over.
Elfaen Ethenwe Caldari Invicta.	Posted - 2008.07.17 23:11:00 - [26] Originally by: Kora Bequin I must agree with Mme. Tisserand and Monsieur Valtine. I for one have not been actively engaged in militia matters despite my corporation's alliance. However, I do support the war as long as it's restricted to Heth's forces and those who would follow such a murderer. Most of the Federation did not and still do not want this war. It has been forced on us by Heth. But that does not mean we will not fight back. In fact, I believe this war will end the way the previous one did, in a stalemate. All the Caldari will get out of this is perhaps Caldari Prime (which they should have been given back long ago) when everything is over. we may have or have not wanted this war, regardless of the feeling its here, happening right now. I just intend to hurt financially and mentally as many caldari members who participate. If my sensors show that the navy raven in front of me is alligned to or a member of the state protectorate, you can guarentee it wont be a navy raven for much longer. As a corp, in our hi-sec adventures since friday evening we have totalled well over 25 billion damage done. Including some very suspect pith, gist and dread gurrista fitted ravens. All proceeds of our attacking will of course go to strengthening our attacking forces. <><><>Together we gank, devided we pop<><><><> Kai made me a sig \o/
Gervais Zhang Strix Armaments and Defence	Posted - 2008.07.18 14:20:00 - [27] Edited by: Gervais Zhang on 18/07/2008 14:22:18 In case there is any question, official Strix corporate policy remains unchanged. In this time of crisis, we stand behind President Foiritan, the Senate, and Navy. We continue to support our members' rights to express themselves, so long as they do not support illegal activities within Federation territory or any surrender of Federation sovereignty. As for strategy, we will sustain our operations beside the Federation Navy, Federal Intelligence Office, and Federal Defence Union in accordance with national civil and military leadership within the bounds of common sense. I can assure the community at-large that Strix will not pursue the "glassing" of any planet, Caldari or otherwise. Anyone who has actually bothered to monitor Strix's actions since its inception should have no problem accepting that. As for muzzling our members' ability to express themselves, I'd rather see Gallente Prime burn. What the **** are we fighting for if not for freedom tempered by the rule of law? Strix is recruiting Federation patriots.
Jonny Damordred Stimulus	Posted - 2008.07.18 20:20:00 - [28] To all those who ask why we Freecaptians lump the Federation in with the Amarrians and Caldari: This is why. One hopes that the Matari become better than that. Jonny D. ------------------------- CEO and Professor of Gunboat Diplomacy
Zagamesh Strix Armaments and Defence	Posted - 2008.07.19 03:50:00 - [29] Originally by: Ereka Nihil So is this what the average Federal citizen thinks of the Caldari? Nothing more than a disease to exterminate, an error to correct? That sums up the State pretty well. Originally by: Ereka Nihil How barbaric. Maybe I was mistaken all these years, seeing the Gallente as a noble group of people who strove to defend peace and freedom, liberated intellect in a sea of conformity and dogma. Pffft, yeah I'm a noble knight of Garoun riding out to protect fair damsels from the lecherous advances of dirty peasants. Why don't you leave such naive notions and fairytales in the kindergarten classrom where it belongs. A certain degree of barbarity is required in this war - to ensure the safety and survival of the Federation against an evil and immoral enemy. Originally by: Ereka Nihil Wishing this upon an entire race of people is nothing short of genocide. There are innocents in this conflict, people who literally have no choice but to endure Heth's rule or starve in the streets at night, parents who have children to feed and provide a future for. Yet you treat them all as little puppets of that dictatorial monster, fit for nothing but eradication. All the citizens of a state are responsible for the actions of that state. All the Caldari are just as guilty as their leaders for instigating this war against the Federation.
Dex Nederland Caldari Lai Dai Infinity Systems	Posted - 2008.07.19 04:22:00 - [30] Originally by: Zagamesh Originally by: Ereka Nihil Wishing this upon an entire race of people is nothing short of genocide. There are innocents in this conflict, people who literally have no choice but to endure Heth's rule or starve in the streets at night, parents who have children to feed and provide a future for. Yet you treat them all as little puppets of that dictatorial monster, fit for nothing but eradication. All the citizens of a state are responsible for the actions of that state. All the Caldari are just as guilty as their leaders for instigating this war against the Federation. Now I am confused; I thought it was the general opinion of Federation propaganda that the employees of State corporations had no say in the actions of those corporations? Zagamesh, you appear to have taken an extreme view with such zeal that I would mistake it for an Amarrian preaching the enslavement of a world for the purposes of bringing them into their God's light. Founder Heiian Society

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