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Akre Sari
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Posted - 2008.07.16 18:58:00 -
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Hail All,
For many years, I have had this.. this illusion of "Faith" shoved down my throat as with all of my Amarr brethren... It seemed so real, so powerful that I was twisted and warped into a slave to its cause.. but that slavery is over, I have opened my eyes to the reality of this faith, it is a lie.. a clever ploy to manipulate the populace and turn them into machines of genocide.. I ask all Amarr to look into their hearts and ask if this religion that you have fervently followed is real? Please do not work to destruction of freedom.. but rebel and fight against the war-mongers! I fight now for the smothering of this faith, the freedom of the Matar, and the Amarr from this lie! I will borrow a quote from Mirrorgod, Viva Freedom!
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Amira Silvermist
24th Providence Templar Division
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Posted - 2008.07.16 19:17:00 -
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 Originally by: Akre Sari
I ask all Amarr to look into their hearts and ask if this religion that you have fervently followed is real?
As real as the cleansing laser fire, thats for sure...
Originally by: Akre Sari
Please do not work to destruction of freedom.. but rebel and fight against the war-mongers!
The so called "Elders" and their followers?
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Akre Sari
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Posted - 2008.07.16 19:25:00 -
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Cleansing laser fire... *Akre sighs heavily* I have not seen nor heard of this "cleansing".. oh I forgot, cleansing is the enslavement and torture of millions.. So sorry I don't agree with that..
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Kathryn Dougans
Amarr
B. S. Radioactive Sheep Farm
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Posted - 2008.07.16 19:37:00 -
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Do not confuse what the Faith says with what people tell you it says.
Several persons pay lip-service to the Faith, while acting in ways that pervert the meaning of the Words.
Moral Reform of the Faith is more likely to achieve change than force of arms.
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Inara Subaka
Caldari
the united
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Posted - 2008.07.16 19:49:00 -
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Originally by: Kathryn Dougans
Do not confuse what the Faith says with what people tell you it says.
Several persons pay lip-service to the Faith, while acting in ways that pervert the meaning of the Words.
Moral Reform of the Faith is more likely to achieve change than force of arms.
I'm not even of Amarrian background and I'm aligning myself with Pilot Dougans on this issue.
While I have trouble understanding the reasoning behind it, and I won't pretend to agree with their original "enlightenment" purposes for their enslavement of the Matari, the fact of the matter is there are many that have perverted the meaning behind the words. An Amarrian that follows their faith honestly has only good intent, don't raise arms against the majority due to the actions of a few.
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Veron Daerth
Amarr
Blood Meridian
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Posted - 2008.07.16 20:00:00 -
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Indeed, Pilot Sari, it is sad to see that you have come to this conclusion about your faith. I have faith in God, and faith in Amarr. That is not to say that I advocate the enslavement and destruction that those in power have perverted it to be.
I think Amarr needs a strong Emperor to lead us in these times, but not one that will try to enforce a futile "Reclaiming" on the cluster. There are many ways to convert people to the worship of God, and slavery and genocide and force are poor ways to do it.
Faith is not an illusion. The dogma of that faith can be, but not the faith itself. For example, God told us to reclaim the stars in His Name. Those who heard this concluded that this meant He wanted us to invade and subjugate the other peoples of New Eden. But that is a misconception. There are, as I said, many ways to reclaim the stars in His Name. I have had some success with simply talking to several of my co-workers and acquaintances here in the Federation about what God is and how He desires us to better ourselves and others. How we are all God's Children and, like any parent, He has so much hope and expectation for us, and how we can come to know Him and ourselves so much more intimately then we do. We can truly become worthy of His gifts and can achieve salvation and redeem ourselves for all our mistakes.
Some would call this preaching, and maybe it is. I simply tell others of what I see and believe. I would think that simply setting up a Chapel on a station and having a missionary priest hold Service a couple of times a week would garner more conversions in a community than enslaving them all.
Alas, I could go on about this for some time. Just know that I will pray that you find God in your way, and that He will find it pleasing that you have made the effort to find Him yourself, instead of relying on others to show you the way. There are many who will use your faith against you, and will deride and belittle you for it. Do not give up hope, do not give in to despair. God loves you, child, and will always do so for as long as you accept Him.
One last thing, Pilot Sari. Acceptance of God is not slavery. Many would have you kneel and debase yourself for Him, and would have you do the same to them, as His "representatives". However, should you simply do the best you can, and be the best you can, He will find no unredeemable fault with you. God does not desire your slavish and mindless devotion. What God desires is here <Veron Daerth points to his head> and here <Veron Daerth points to his heart> and whether each day, you choose to do good.... or not. <Veron Daerth laughs a bit sadly>
God go with you, Pilot Akre Sari.
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Burrne
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.07.16 23:25:00 -
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Originally by: Akre Sari
Hail All,
For many years, I have had this.. this illusion of "Faith" shoved down my throat as with all of my Amarr brethren... It seemed so real, so powerful that I was twisted and warped into a slave to its cause.. but that slavery is over, I have opened my eyes to the reality of this faith, it is a lie.. a clever ploy to manipulate the populace and turn them into machines of genocide.. I ask all Amarr to look into their hearts and ask if this religion that you have fervently followed is real? Please do not work to destruction of freedom.. but rebel and fight against the war-mongers! I fight now for the smothering of this faith, the freedom of the Matar, and the Amarr from this lie! I will borrow a quote from Mirrorgod, Viva Freedom!
I applaud your awakening, pilot..I, too, have shed the skin of false gods and false scripture..even now, I look for ways to end slavery...though, I don't know if working from outside the empire, through force, is better than working from within.. I shall have to ponder this further..
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Keorythe
Caldari
Terra Rosa Militia
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2008.07.17 00:31:00 -
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Originally by: Akre Sari
Cleansing laser fire... *Akre sighs heavily* I have not seen nor heard of this "cleansing"
So you've never heard of a Pulse Beam Laser? For shame. Some kid gets his pod pilot cert. and completes Amarr Industrial ships I and suddenly he wants to be a "revolutionary"? No race and no corp name. Even the Ursha'Khan have the ******* to list that and proudly. Everyone has to have faith in something. Whether its a religion or in the growth potential of your corp its the same thing. Don't like your faith? Go to a Minmatar region, find a station, and then look for a recruiter. When you've done something noteworthy or joined a corp that has then come back and make declarations.
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MirrorGod
Heretic Militia
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Posted - 2008.07.17 09:48:00 -
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"A Terrible Lie", as they'd call it. And how many countless millions that lie has grabbed hold of and twisted. It's a lie that not only makes the populace of the Empire a slave to it's games, but encourages them to go out and literally enslave others in it's name.
A salute. To freedom, to liberation, to rebellion.
To revolution.
The empire will fall, and on the wings of freedom fighters will freedom be delivered. Raise your fist in the air and lash out today, it's never too soon.
Good luck, Akre, and if you're in need of guidance, myself and my soldiers are never too far.
Recruitment: [ANTI]
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Illuvian
Gallente
Heretic Militia
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Posted - 2008.07.17 10:48:00 -
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On the wings of freedom will we fly to destroy those who oppose the will of the universe.
Metus improbos compescit, non clementia.
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rValdez5987
Amarr
Tacos Revolution
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Posted - 2008.07.17 12:39:00 -
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Although I personally do not own slaves, and also do not treat any matarr as a less being then myself, I cannot say I disagree with slavery. I am fervently committed to my faith. I believe in the Amarr Empire as it is my home. Soon I will once again return to defend my home.
It is true that some may warp the meanings as to the scriptures themselves for personal gain or ulterior motives. Such disgusting individuals deserve to go to the cleansing pits.
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Ardan
Minmatar
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.07.17 13:21:00 -
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Faith is not an illusion. Faith is real and faith is strong. But you, like many amarrians have put your faith in a corrupt religion to a dead god. Do not knock faith, my new found cousin. I have faith that my people will be free. I have faith that the amarr empire will fall. Of course we all know that the amarrians will eventualy capitulate and release our people, before they will let themselves be destroyed. But one can hope that the empire will be completely destroyed. Now that does not mean the death of every single amarrian, just every single one that will not renounce slavery.
"Let them hate us as long as they Fear us." Colligula |
Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.17 14:04:00 -
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Faith has turned the Amarr into machines of genocide?
Given that it is the Minmatars who viciously attacked the Amarr not so long ago, I would have thought it obvious that this is wrong.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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MirrorGod
Heretic Militia
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Posted - 2008.07.17 15:08:00 -
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Faith is not the problem.
Religion is.
Recruitment: [ANTI]
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Merdaneth
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.17 15:58:00 -
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Pilot Sari,
Faith is not something that can be forced upon another. Faith is something you either have or have not.
MirrorGod was right when he pointed out the difference between religion and faith. We can teach you religion, but faith you need to find for yourself.
You have turned from the religion of God, the religion that teaches honor and duty, to the religion of self-interest and self-worship. No doubt Fractioneers will tell you that the worship of the self is the ultimate goal of mankind, I however can tell you that the worship of the self is nothing more than an exciting egotrip on the road to sociopathy.
You currently fight for what suits you, follow whoever inspires you, but at some point you will get disinterested, decide that situation does not do your great ego justice, and take up another pursuit, or turn to others in search of answers. Today you echo MirrorGod's words, perhaps tomorrow another's?
How can we believe that you, who by your own words has been a dupe for many years, are not simply hanging onto your latest illusion?
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The Illusion of Freedom | The Truth about Slavery |
Esna Pitoojee
Amarr
Heavily Utilized Mechanic Mayhem
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Posted - 2008.07.17 20:16:00 -
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Am I sure of my faith? Yes. Am I sure it is true? Yes. Am I sure that it does not automatically entail destruction? Yes.
Am I sure that the Amarr Empire has always truly followed the faith, and based all of its decisions off of this faith?
Quite the contrary.
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Remus Navillum
z3r0 Gravity
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.07.17 20:44:00 -
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The Amarrian faith itself is not as much of an issue as many have perceived. Rather, Amarrian religion is used as a scapegoat by the empire's critics, and an opiate within the empire itself, in order to obscure what is really a far larger and more deeply ingrained illness in the structure of the society. Namely, socioeconomic immobility, and the vast stratification of the power structure.
It's simple. Individuals within a society, whether by status or by wealth, attain influence and power, and are keenly opposed to the prospect of relinquishing it. Instead, they consolidate that power by using it to elevate like-minded individuals into similarly high positions, then use those allies as a mechanism to expand their influence. Over time, influential individuals and families become fixtures of the society. They essentially write themselves into the culture, and in the case of the Amarr, into the faith itself, using flowery (though ultimately insubstantial) principles of holy sanctity to ordain themselves as the leaders anointed by god.
This phenomenon is present everywhere, from the Federal senate to the halls of the Matari Parliament to the highest offices of the Caldari megacorps. But what sets the Amarr apart from these power structures is the principle of bottom-up influence. A Gallente senator or Matari representative is beholden to his or her constituency, and therefore must act (or appear to act) in the best interest of the electorate, lest they risk a democratic upset. The CEO of a Caldari megacorporation may wield the greatest decision-making power within the organization, but is still ultimately at the mercy of the shareholders. But an Amarrian noble is, in effect, at nobody's mercy but that of the emperor. And the emperor, presiding over such a scattered feudal entity such as the empire, is unlikely to pay attention to the actions of any single holder, meaning that holders can behave more less with impunity within their feudal territory, as long as they don't arouse the ire of a neighboring noble. There is no constituency to cater to, no dissenting opinion to appease. In effect, there is no real power structure because the power is concentrated exclusively within an microscopically small fraction of the society which lives in opulent decadence.
This absence of accountability, coupled with the arrogance that such an old and militaristic society is heir to, leads to holders elevating themselves above the laws they set for their subjects, and subsequently creates a great deal of institutional corruption. Dissent is silenced or decried as heresy. Civil unrest is extinguished with swift, heartless, and brutally effective force. Technological advancement, though not stagnant, heavily gears itself toward military development for the purpose of expansion and consolidation. Inevitably, the society becomes largely insular and culturally stagnant, with the occasional violent, imperialistic outburst.
And so therein lies the true cancer within Amarrian culture. The religion is simply a mechanism by which it is propagated. The only cure, I would imagine, would be a massive socioeconomic and civil restructuring, but the catalyst for such a shakeup would have to be widespread and impossible to ignore or suppress. Perhaps this war, or maybe a second large-scale slave rebellion, will do the trick. |
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