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X0PEK
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Posted - 2008.07.17 06:14:00 -
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Hello everybody! Sorry for stupid question, but I did not found answer nowhere else - how to get Tech Level II BPO? As I understand, I can invent only BPC (copyes) and not originals. If so, is there any othe way to create originals? Or, if not, where and how could I purchase them?
Thanks in advance!
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Feng Schui
Minmatar Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.07.17 06:16:00 -
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you can buy them on the forums, you'll need to post on the "Want ads". Expect to pay 10+ billion for even the crappiest of the t2 bpos.
Project:Gank
Pilgrim Guide
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Aindrias
Amarr Celestial Janissaries Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.17 06:17:00 -
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Long story short, T2 BPOs are no longer distributed.
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X0PEK
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Posted - 2008.07.17 06:20:00 -
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Thanks for answer! As I understand, I need to say goodbay to my dreem for T2 BPO ...
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Herschel Yamamoto
Bloodmoney Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.07.17 06:27:00 -
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They used to be handed out via a lottery process conducted through research agents. Those agents now give out datacores, not BPOs. If you want a BPO, you'll need to buy one from that era. 10B is high for the really bad ones - I've seen a couple of less-useful ones go for as low as 1B - but you'll still pay an arm and a leg. ------------------ Fix the forums! |
Lubomir Penev
interimo
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Posted - 2008.07.17 06:27:00 -
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Edited by: Lubomir Penev on 17/07/2008 06:28:24
Originally by: X0PEK Hello everybody! Sorry for stupid question, but I did not found answer nowhere else - how to get Tech Level II BPO? As I understand, I can invent only BPC (copyes) and not originals. If so, is there any othe way to create originals? Or, if not, where and how could I purchase them?
Thanks in advance!
CCP in its infinite wisdom decided it would be a good decision to have a game with a nobility and that their titles would be t2 BPOs.
You are not one of them peon now get back to work serving your masters. -- Coming to you, Assault Ships fix, by the people saying that the Gallente Recons are fine. |
Chigy
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.07.17 06:31:00 -
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Edited by: Chigy on 17/07/2008 06:32:23 FYI *ANY* T2 BPO you buy from another play will not give you your money back for at least 6 months.
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X0PEK
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Posted - 2008.07.17 06:33:00 -
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Originally by: Lubomir Penev
CCP in its infinite wisdom decided it would be a good decision to have a game with a nobility and that their titles would be t2 BPOs.
You are not one of them peon now get back to work serving your masters.
Thanks everybody - will follow your advice. Going to work...
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Riho
Gallente Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.07.17 06:53:00 -
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Edited by: Riho on 17/07/2008 06:55:00
Originally by: X0PEK Hello everybody! Sorry for stupid question, but I did not found answer nowhere else - how to get Tech Level II BPO? As I understand, I can invent only BPC (copyes) and not originals. If so, is there any othe way to create originals? Or, if not, where and how could I purchase them?
Thanks in advance!
only way you can get them now is to buy them off the owners on the contracts or sale forums.
EDIT: in most cases doing invention is alot more proffitable than owning a t2 BPO.
i have owned t2 bpos, but have sold them. now i make a lot more isk off invention than i did whit the bpos ---------------------------------- Fighting for Minmatar o7 Yes... this is my main. Extreme Troll Slayer...
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Jinx Barker
GFB Scientific
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Posted - 2008.07.17 06:57:00 -
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I might add, I owned 8 T2 BPOs, I have sold ALL of them bar 1.
Invention is the way to go.
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Utada Hikki
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Posted - 2008.07.17 07:02:00 -
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Originally by: Jinx Barker I might add, I owned 8 T2 BPOs, I have sold ALL of them bar 1.
Invention is the way to go.
how many run BPC does invention yield?
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Riho
Gallente Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.07.17 07:09:00 -
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Originally by: Utada Hikki
Originally by: Jinx Barker I might add, I owned 8 T2 BPOs, I have sold ALL of them bar 1.
Invention is the way to go.
how many run BPC does invention yield?
depends what you invent
modules get 10 runs without a decryptor (if you use a max run t1 BPC) ships i dont know as i havent really bothered whit them ---------------------------------- Fighting for Minmatar o7 Yes... this is my main. Extreme Troll Slayer...
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Lurana Lay
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.07.17 07:13:00 -
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Edited by: Lurana Lay on 17/07/2008 07:14:54
Quote: Long story short, T2 BPOs are no longer distributed.
As far as we know...
Anyway there was a rumor? long ago about T3 technology, but I have no idea if anything will ever come of it.
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Riho
Gallente Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.07.17 08:07:00 -
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Originally by: Lurana Lay Edited by: Lurana Lay on 17/07/2008 07:14:54
Quote: Long story short, T2 BPOs are no longer distributed.
As far as we know...
Anyway there was a rumor? long ago about T3 technology, but I have no idea if anything will ever come of it.
if it does... it will be 100% invention based... alteast that i have heard some comments on it ---------------------------------- Fighting for Minmatar o7 Yes... this is my main. Extreme Troll Slayer...
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DiaBlo UK
Precision Engineering
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Posted - 2008.07.17 10:45:00 -
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/me sits and waits for the day when some sort of 'virus', or something similar, is released throughout all of the eve universe which unfortunately turns all those lovely T2 BPOs into 10k run copies or somesuch. Enjoy them while they're there
Originally by: CCP Navigator Pretty sure someone is selling tinfoil hats. You should buy one
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2008.07.17 11:02:00 -
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Originally by: DiaBlo UK Enjoy them while they're there
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000Hunter000
Gallente Missiles 'R' Us
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Posted - 2008.07.17 11:18:00 -
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Originally by: Feng Schui you can buy them on the forums, you'll need to post on the "Want ads". Expect to pay 10+ billion for even the crappiest of the t2 bpos.
10+ billion??? Now i know there rare and all that but 10 bill for even the crappiest one? Things sure must've changed then.
Hm.. i wonder how much mine would be worth.. perhaps i should try it out hehe. _______________________________________________________ CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!!
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Deva Blackfire
D00M.
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Posted - 2008.07.17 11:24:00 -
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Originally by: X0PEK Thanks for answer! As I understand, I need to say goodbay to my dreem for T2 BPO ...
Why? They are sold by players on daily basis - just cost quite a bit. And tbh most of them cost much less nowadays than they costed when t2 prices were highest.
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MaVla
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.07.17 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: DiaBlo UK /me sits and waits for the day when some sort of 'virus', or something similar, is released throughout all of the eve universe which unfortunately turns all those lovely T2 BPOs into 10k run copies or somesuch. Enjoy them while they're there
OMG SELL SELL SELL !!!!
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Kylar Renpurs
Dusk Blade
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Posted - 2008.07.17 11:42:00 -
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FYI *ANY* T2 BPO you buy from another play will not give you your money back for at least 6 months.
Try 4 years
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2008.07.17 12:55:00 -
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Hopefully in time tech II BPOs will be made available through some means and be an intrical part in the creation of tech III items.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation
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Posted - 2008.07.17 13:03:00 -
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So what is the crappiest T2 BPO?
Some ammo? Micro smartbomb II? Small cap battery II? Racial backup sensor Array II?
I think I've seen some of these selling for 500M...But whats the worst?
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2008.07.17 13:11:00 -
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I'm guessing Reinforced Bulkhead IIs.
I had a Micro Plasma Smartbomb II BPO once, didn't use it often enough so CCP revoked my license and gave it to some other poor sap.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Batolemaeus
Caldari Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.07.17 13:13:00 -
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Originally by: Vyktor Abyss So what is the crappiest T2 BPO?
Some ammo? Micro smartbomb II? Small cap battery II? Racial backup sensor Array II?
I think I've seen some of these selling for 500M...But whats the worst?
ECCM - Omni II i guess. Totally useless item with racials ingame and omnis using a lot more cap.
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Alexios Komnenos
Minmatar Byzantine Holding Corporation
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Posted - 2008.07.17 13:16:00 -
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Originally by: Lubomir Penev Edited by: Lubomir Penev on 17/07/2008 06:28:24
Originally by: X0PEK Hello everybody! Sorry for stupid question, but I did not found answer nowhere else - how to get Tech Level II BPO? As I understand, I can invent only BPC (copyes) and not originals. If so, is there any othe way to create originals? Or, if not, where and how could I purchase them?
Thanks in advance!
CCP in its infinite wisdom decided it would be a good decision to have a game with a nobility and that their titles would be t2 BPOs.
You are not one of them peon now get back to work serving your masters.
And there also was at least one instance (the one we know of because they got caught) of a CCP dev colluding with the alliance he was in (BOB) to hand out T2 BPO's. Considering the lack of transparency since (CCP won't report how many employees are in each alliance) who knows?
Frankly, I think they either need to remove all T2 BPO's from the game (convert them into a BPC with many runs) or re-introduce a method of obtaining them, because it is exceptionally unfair to have unobtainable, but yet economy controlling items out there since it puts anyone who wasn't around at the time of the lottery at a permanent disadvantage, since they are unable to compete in the T2 market with the added time and expense of invention with those who basically have an ISK printing press (T2 BPO owners don't even have to BUILD anything, just keep making BPC's and selling those).
The best method, IMHO, would be to make it a rare occurance that an invention success that results in a T2 BPC to instead create a T2 BPO. This would gradually level the prices of BPO's to a sane level.
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Mara Kell
Steel Beasts
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Posted - 2008.07.17 13:17:00 -
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Worst i have seen so far were unresearched Missile BPOs fnr over a Billion which meant a break even at about 2 years after starting production. And that means production for 2 years all around the clock.
You might say "ok but after those 2 years im going to become rich" but if you take into account that you could have invested the billion in other projects buying such a T2 BPO is basicly a waste of credits.
There still are some Jackpot T2 BPOs but you usually wont see those on the free market.
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Gridwalker
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.07.17 15:06:00 -
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Originally by: Alexios Komnenos Frankly, I think they either need to remove all T2 BPO's from the game (convert them into a BPC with many runs) or re-introduce a method of obtaining them, because it is exceptionally unfair to have unobtainable, but yet economy controlling items out there since it puts anyone who wasn't around at the time of the lottery at a permanent disadvantage, since they are unable to compete in the T2 market with the added time and expense of invention with those who basically have an ISK printing press (T2 BPO owners don't even have to BUILD anything, just keep making BPC's and selling those).
Personally, I think anything you have of value which you worked for but I am unwilling to, should be taken away from you or provided to me at little effort. It's hideously unfair that someone who actually worked for what they have, should be allowed to keep it, when there are so many people unwilling to work for those things going without.
That out of the way...
There IS a method of obtaining them. You buy them from other players. Anyone with the isk and a desire to have one can obtain one right now. If you're unwilling to do that, don't go blaming everyone else because you are lazy.
But if you insist on making T2 BPO's available from NPC's again, let's just get rid of invention and start the lottery back up. I know you're going to have a great time paying for three or four accounts, training up a dozen R&D alts, grinding their standings for R&D agents, and checking the mail on each alt every day praying you actually get a random T2 BPO. And hey, maybe in six months or a year you might be lucky to get some crappy T2 BPO.
Regardless, your failure to compete with invention has less to do with T2 BPO's being out there, and more to do with not properly researching the T2 market to discover what is currently making a profit, and what is in such oversupply that it won't sell at any price. There are simply not enough T2 BPO's out there to control the market, and I've seen items that do NOT have T2 BPO's available for them sell for under build cost.
-Grid
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Xaen
Caldari Caritas.
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Posted - 2008.07.17 15:30:00 -
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Originally by: Lubomir Penev Edited by: Lubomir Penev on 17/07/2008 06:28:24
Originally by: X0PEK Hello everybody! Sorry for stupid question, but I did not found answer nowhere else - how to get Tech Level II BPO? As I understand, I can invent only BPC (copyes) and not originals. If so, is there any othe way to create originals? Or, if not, where and how could I purchase them?
Thanks in advance!
CCP in its infinite wisdom decided it would be a good decision to have a game with a nobility and that their titles would be t2 BPOs.
You are not one of them peon now get back to work serving your masters.
Quoted for eloquent truth.
How they thought a lottery for these economy breaking things was ever a good idea blows my freaking mind.
Unless they just gave them out to CCP employees in disguise. Which would kinda make more sense than rewarding random players with ISK printing licenses now that I think about it.
And T20 did give some to his alliance at one point... - Support fixing the UI|Suggest Jita fixes|Compact logs |
Napro
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.07.17 15:32:00 -
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Originally by: Danton Marcellus I'm guessing Reinforced Bulkhead IIs.
I had a Micro Plasma Smartbomb II BPO once, didn't use it often enough so CCP revoked my license and gave it to some other poor sap.
I'm sure BoB appreciates your donation to the cause
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Gridwalker
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.07.17 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: Xaen
Originally by: Lubomir Penev CCP in its infinite wisdom decided it would be a good decision to have a game with a nobility and that their titles would be t2 BPOs.
You are not one of them peon now get back to work serving your masters.
Quoted for eloquent truth.
That quote is neither eloquent nor the truth. Emo and melodramatic would be more accurate.
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How they thought a lottery for these economy breaking things was ever a good idea blows my freaking mind.
It wasn't, and they knew it wasn't. They've admitted such, over and over. They needed a way to get these out to the players, but they didn't want to seed them on the NPC market because they didn't want to turn T2 items into a commodity. They wanted T2 to be rare and expensive. The only way to accomplish that was to control precisely how many T2 BPO's were available.
Ultimately, I think CCP wanted to make T2 less expensive and less rare, but still didn't want to turn them into a commodity like T1 items. If this was, in fact, their reasoning then how they thought invention was going to be the solution blows MY mind. That the market would flood due to invention was inevitable.
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Unless they just gave them out to CCP employees in disguise. Which would kinda make more sense than rewarding random players with ISK printing licenses now that I think about it.
Put down the tinfoil, dude. I worry about anyone who SERIOUSLY believes that is true.
Fact is, the lottery was no walk in the park for the participants. If you wanted a serious chance of winning one, you needed to run multiple accounts incurring serious real money expenses. You needed to train all of those alts, grind standings on those alts, and check the mail on each one daily or you may miss an offer. Even then, it was hit or miss whether you would get anything, and you would likely sit there for six months or longer and never see a thing.
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And T20 did give some to his alliance at one point...
Yes he did, and he should have been fired for it. I don't care how long he worked at CCP or how many times he had beer with the guys after work. It was a massive breach of trust, both from him to CCP, as well as CCP to us.
And what's your point? It's OK if he spawned a few titans for his buddies, but since it was a T2 BPO, it is somehow proof that T2 BPO's need to be eliminated?
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