ShardowRhino
Caldari
Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2008.07.19 12:33:00 -
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First off, I as an EVE player and writer for www.Eve-Mag.com saw the "max age" article for what it was. That is someone reporting that an alliance was preparing for a massive move that involved 12 of the biggest most expensive ships that most alliances have maybe 1 of.
The article covered something that is "big" economically, SP wise,numbers wise. regardless if it was player generated and run through a player useable pipeline for their article to be shown in a ccp product OR a ccp created article to be posted on eve, it was covering something that was intended to be big.
Like or hate bob, what the move proposed is out of the ability of the majority of eve players. A lot of us wont ever see a single titan, the idea of seeing 12 or so in the same system is out of question unless we join an alliance purely to see it. A titan takes more isk then most players will ever generate so again, 10+ is a big move. 300 capitals were also tagging along IIRC , again another sight most eve players wont see nor ever have enough for 2 caps of their own.
Even if a CCP employee wrote the article it was unbiased. Anyone suggesting that it is is clearly a fool. You can say "all a noob will see is the endoresement of bob". Strange because it was a snippet of an article that I saw after logging in. There was also that ever present, confusing,perplexing "click here for more" link hovering next to the tidbit.
IF someone gives a damn they will click that link. That link will take them to the entire article. The "sound bite" means nothing when reading the entire article as most mindless drones will realize something. That something is that there is an alliance rep from the opposition of the proposed shift of major assets by alliance A(which happens to be bob). Alliance B rep says "hah! those noobs can try but we'll send em packing in no time!". okay so he didn't say that but their actions did. The point is that the writer of the article gave the other side a chance to respond.
There was nothing that suggested the writer was probob. Any ohhing and aahhing about the proposed bob plan was aimed at the assets that they intended to bring to the fight. Any alliance that can bring +1 titan and +10 capships to a fight over what bob's plan called for and that allaince will be ohhed and ahhed. Not at the alliance itself but at the audacious plan and astronomical costs of the fleet on paper.
As for the ensuing bs on this thread I have to say that I am glad I only read the first half of the article that was linked. I didn't need to read anymore of it because I already knew it was off by that point. It ran on about something that didn't matter even if ccp was on bob's side with the article. it is ccp's product and people know what bob stands for, for one reason or another. Even if you like or hate bob or have no opinion at all its one of the first alliances you hear about when joining eve. Its a player run group that proposed to attempt to cause big waves. If ccp wants to promote that then its up to them.
The only problem would be if CCP were to "endorse" bob by giving them free ships, isk or titans that fell off a super freighter. I remember a group making their own station. I saw the article after logging in but i didnt feel ccp endorsed their action nor condoned it. it had no effect on my pov of the group. same with bob. at worst it was ccp promoting player generated "events". At best no one cared.
Oh and the responses from those from that little site, you didn't really do yourselves a favor. I never heard of the site before todayand after this I can sincerely say that I had more interest in reading its content 2 months ago then I do now. I'm sure several others will see this thread as a reason NOT to visit the site ever again.
GG on getting worked up over uninterested people not clicking "click here to see the entire article".
GG on ****ing off potential readers.
GG, thanks for the laffz.
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ShardowRhino
Caldari
Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2008.07.20 14:08:00 -
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 Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: ISD Deckard Bishop
Right. I am going to attempt to clear a few things up.
The IC has complete control over the player news. We choose topics, we contact players, we approve and publish articles. CCP do not check or approve articles unless it contains something that will effect the games official backstory/fiction.
The bulk of the 'MAX' article referred to is based on quotes. Reporters do not put their own opinions into articles, they report other peoples opinions.
It is unfortunate that when we write about corp 'x' or alliance 'y' there is a tendency to believe that just because we mentioned their name we are now bias or advertising!
On a more serious note, we are proud of our ability to publish news that is interesting, relevant and non-bias. We take great pains to get viewpoints from all involved parties when writing articles.
As any writer will tell you, some people will like your articles, and some will hate them. Criticism is a fact of life for a reporter. The Tribune (and anyone else for that matter) and its writers are welcome to write whatever they like.
For those that enjoy reading our news and support us, I thank you for reading and hope we continue to produce material you enjoy.
Aside from this story, which I have no real opinion about, you are incorrect about 1 thing. Your reporters do have great influence on the stories, since they choose what is being reported on and who is interviewed. That in itself can provide enough bias to make any additional input by the reporter unneeded. If a reporter reported on the oil crisis and only interviewed an Oil CEO, he would be writing a biased article. And the same if he only interviewed Greenpeace, it would just be a bias in a different direction.
Then do something interesting that is "news worthy". I hung out with a friend, had some food, talked about stuff recently . However I was not contacted by reporters to get statements and pictures of the "event". however this obama nub goes and does the same things as me and gets covered in the news! wtf! seriously we are both equally qualified for being President of the U.S. but somehow he got put in the news and I didn't. I don't know , its not fair, hes hacking or smething.
(note: the U.S. media is clearly biased towards the noob i mentioned, at least bob has a load of titans. titans > excuses and tossing friendlies under the bus)
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