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Malcanis We are Legend	Posted - 2008.07.19 22:15:00 - [61] Originally by: Ki An Originally by: fuze What do you regard as being fair? Fraternizing with devs and get knowledge of game mechanics before everyone else? People are still sensitive when it comes to favoring BOB. If you want to play a game and have fun it should be on an equal level for everybody. And CCP has to be very carefull not to upset this because in the end their jobs are on the line. I agree fully with this. That's why I made that post regarding the T20 scandal. Thing is, that should be behind us now. CCP have implemented several fail safe systems to prevent it from happening again. I can understand that a lack of trust in CCP is lingering, but if you STILL think that CCP are screwing you over, after almost two years, you really should quit playing the game. I think you're neglecting the "If someone does better than me they must be cheating somehow." factor... CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Ki An Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum	Posted - 2008.07.19 22:20:00 - [62] Originally by: Malcanis I think you're neglecting the "If someone does better than me they must be cheating somehow." factor... How stupid of me. Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2008.07.19 23:27:00 - [63] Originally by: fuze Originally by: Ki An Just wanted to defend my self a bit, since I've been made out, by you and others, as some kind of conspiracy toting BoB-alt, which I'm most definately not. I'm just annoyed that one side of the conflict can't seem to play fair. What do you regard as being fair? Fraternizing with devs and get knowledge of game mechanics before everyone else? People are still sensitive when it comes to favoring BOB. If you want to play a game and have fun it should be on an equal level for everybody. And CCP has to be very carefull not to upset this because in the end their jobs are on the line. The singularity server is open to all players. So why you aren't there fraternizing with the dev, helping developing the game and and getting knowledge of game mechanics before everyone else? Too much work?
BoB sucks Burning Bush Enterprises	Posted - 2008.07.20 00:51:00 - [64] What exactly was the bias in the article? BoB hasn't made any significant proggress against the Northern Coalition. They poped a moon mining tower in fade, that is it. How can you dress it up more than that?
Lochmar Fiendhiem Caldari Wyverns of Dionysus Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.07.20 02:05:00 - [65] Edited by: Lochmar Fiendhiem on 20/07/2008 02:07:30 edited out... ws going to read the whole thread but well... f that Originally by: Halkin bob is dead, goons are great, cheese is cheesy, there we go no need for any more threads
fuze InfoMorph Services Ltd	Posted - 2008.07.20 09:40:00 - [66] Originally by: Ki An Originally by: fuze What do you regard as being fair? Fraternizing with devs and get knowledge of game mechanics before everyone else? People are still sensitive when it comes to favoring BOB. If you want to play a game and have fun it should be on an equal level for everybody. And CCP has to be very carefull not to upset this because in the end their jobs are on the line. I agree fully with this. That's why I made that post regarding the T20 scandal. Thing is, that should be behind us now. CCP have implemented several fail safe systems to prevent it from happening again. I can understand that a lack of trust in CCP is lingering, but if you STILL think that CCP are screwing you over, after almost two years, you really should quit playing the game. CCP are slow learners. And I think we've come full circle on this topic because the heart of the matter still lingers. ISD reporters shouldn't be a bulletin board for any alliance. Thy can do reports on it but they shouldn't be biased like this article. There shouldn't be a need that we remind them but that they should be able to figure that one by themselves. As to the trust thing. CCP showed they could better themselves. BOB didn't and gets burned for it. Fair enough. But you those groups aren't whom to blame but those individuals who crossed the line. And most of them got away with it and knowing those a holes are still logging in makes you wonder why they even bother anymore.
Ki An Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum	Posted - 2008.07.20 11:32:00 - [67] Originally by: fuze CCP are slow learners. And I think we've come full circle on this topic because the heart of the matter still lingers. ISD reporters shouldn't be a bulletin board for any alliance. Thy can do reports on it but they shouldn't be biased like this article. There shouldn't be a need that we remind them but that they should be able to figure that one by themselves. As to the trust thing. CCP showed they could better themselves. BOB didn't and gets burned for it. Fair enough. But you those groups aren't whom to blame but those individuals who crossed the line. And most of them got away with it and knowing those a holes are still logging in makes you wonder why they even bother anymore. The problem here is that all sides in 0.0 have its cheaters. Most of them remain unpunished. To get your panties in a twist over the fact that the cheaters on a particular side are unpunished isn't very constructive. Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting

ISD Deckard Bishop ISD Interstellar Correspondents	Posted - 2008.07.20 11:42:00 - [68] Right. I am going to attempt to clear a few things up. The IC has complete control over the player news. We choose topics, we contact players, we approve and publish articles. CCP do not check or approve articles unless it contains something that will effect the games official backstory/fiction. The bulk of the 'MAX' article referred to is based on quotes. Reporters do not put their own opinions into articles, they report other peoples opinions. It is unfortunate that when we write about corp 'x' or alliance 'y' there is a tendency to believe that just because we mentioned their name we are now bias or advertising! On a more serious note, we are proud of our ability to publish news that is interesting, relevant and non-bias. We take great pains to get viewpoints from all involved parties when writing articles. As any writer will tell you, some people will like your articles, and some will hate them. Criticism is a fact of life for a reporter. The Tribune (and anyone else for that matter) and its writers are welcome to write whatever they like. For those that enjoy reading our news and support us, I thank you for reading and hope we continue to produce material you enjoy. \| News Lead? Tell Us \| Become An IC \| E-mail IC \| Visit Our Website \|

Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. eXceed.	Posted - 2008.07.20 11:54:00 - [69] Originally by: ISD Deckard Bishop Right. I am going to attempt to clear a few things up. The IC has complete control over the player news. We choose topics, we contact players, we approve and publish articles. CCP do not check or approve articles unless it contains something that will effect the games official backstory/fiction. The bulk of the 'MAX' article referred to is based on quotes. Reporters do not put their own opinions into articles, they report other peoples opinions. It is unfortunate that when we write about corp 'x' or alliance 'y' there is a tendency to believe that just because we mentioned their name we are now bias or advertising! On a more serious note, we are proud of our ability to publish news that is interesting, relevant and non-bias. We take great pains to get viewpoints from all involved parties when writing articles. As any writer will tell you, some people will like your articles, and some will hate them. Criticism is a fact of life for a reporter. The Tribune (and anyone else for that matter) and its writers are welcome to write whatever they like. For those that enjoy reading our news and support us, I thank you for reading and hope we continue to produce material you enjoy. Aside from this story, which I have no real opinion about, you are incorrect about 1 thing. Your reporters do have great influence on the stories, since they choose what is being reported on and who is interviewed. That in itself can provide enough bias to make any additional input by the reporter unneeded. If a reporter reported on the oil crisis and only interviewed an Oil CEO, he would be writing a biased article. And the same if he only interviewed Greenpeace, it would just be a bias in a different direction.
ShardowRhino Caldari Legion 0f The Damned	Posted - 2008.07.20 14:08:00 - [70] Originally by: Malachon Draco Originally by: ISD Deckard Bishop Right. I am going to attempt to clear a few things up. The IC has complete control over the player news. We choose topics, we contact players, we approve and publish articles. CCP do not check or approve articles unless it contains something that will effect the games official backstory/fiction. The bulk of the 'MAX' article referred to is based on quotes. Reporters do not put their own opinions into articles, they report other peoples opinions. It is unfortunate that when we write about corp 'x' or alliance 'y' there is a tendency to believe that just because we mentioned their name we are now bias or advertising! On a more serious note, we are proud of our ability to publish news that is interesting, relevant and non-bias. We take great pains to get viewpoints from all involved parties when writing articles. As any writer will tell you, some people will like your articles, and some will hate them. Criticism is a fact of life for a reporter. The Tribune (and anyone else for that matter) and its writers are welcome to write whatever they like. For those that enjoy reading our news and support us, I thank you for reading and hope we continue to produce material you enjoy. Aside from this story, which I have no real opinion about, you are incorrect about 1 thing. Your reporters do have great influence on the stories, since they choose what is being reported on and who is interviewed. That in itself can provide enough bias to make any additional input by the reporter unneeded. If a reporter reported on the oil crisis and only interviewed an Oil CEO, he would be writing a biased article. And the same if he only interviewed Greenpeace, it would just be a bias in a different direction. Then do something interesting that is "news worthy". I hung out with a friend, had some food, talked about stuff recently . However I was not contacted by reporters to get statements and pictures of the "event". however this obama nub goes and does the same things as me and gets covered in the news! wtf! seriously we are both equally qualified for being President of the U.S. but somehow he got put in the news and I didn't. I don't know , its not fair, hes hacking or smething. (note: the U.S. media is clearly biased towards the noob i mentioned, at least bob has a load of titans. titans > excuses and tossing friendlies under the bus)

fuze Chosen Path Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2008.07.21 11:54:00 - [71] Sorry to keep dragging this up but I really like to react to what Deckard said here. In fact there still is more to be said on this particular topic. Originally by: ISD Deckard Bishop The IC has complete control over the player news. We choose topics, we contact players, we approve and publish articles. CCP do not check or approve articles unless it contains something that will effect the games official backstory/fiction. The general public regards you in the same camp as CCP (CCP pets so to speak). So being impartial is part of that as well. Originally by: ISD Deckard Bishop The bulk of the 'MAX' article referred to is based on quotes. Reporters do not put their own opinions into articles, they report other peoples opinions. It is unfortunate that when we write about corp 'x' or alliance 'y' there is a tendency to believe that just because we mentioned their name we are now bias or advertising! Its still biased or poorly written. Lets take the header of the article. Its a quote so it should have been in the line of 'BOB leader announces: the max age has begun' since that was a quote. A few lines along it does mention Shrike. And not everybody knows this is Molle's alt and leader of BOB alliance. It should have been mentioned. Because now it suggests that the writer is on speaking terms with Shrike. For the quotes. The contain the essence of the BOB statements but also added extra's of propaganda like 'nothing is safe... everything burns' or '[They're] well protected, and in no danger.'. But by giving the reader more than the essence of these quotes it gives the impression of a bias and that the whole reason why people suggest the writer of the article was biased. As to the 'other side' thats someone from IAC who claims to be sceptical about MAX but IAC isn't involved (yet) so it would have been better to contact someone in the nothern region where the campaign is aimed at. So all in all this article was in journalistic terms pretty poorly written and seen by many people as being biased towards BOB for a good reason. And you might think when IRON gets in the limelight you'd see the views and quotations from their side. But check out that article that is written by the same author. This article is completely in the line of the previous one. It briefly mentions what is happening but its once more being heavily biased towards BOB and the GBC. Shortly quoting IRON and RA but letting one EXE quote a whole paragraph of his viewpoint. This journalist ISD Magnus Balteus is either being incompetent at his job and writing these terrible articles or he is lacking the objectivity which is required being an ISD reporter. In fact I suggest that these matters should be investigated by ISD and they should prohibit any more of these journalistic travesties. Originally by: ISD Deckard Bishop On a more serious note, we are proud of our ability to publish news that is interesting, relevant and non-bias. We take great pains to get viewpoints from all involved parties when writing articles. As any writer will tell you, some people will like your articles, and some will hate them. Criticism is a fact of life for a reporter. The Tribune (and anyone else for that matter) and its writers are welcome to write whatever they like. An this is a good thing. But I'm disturbed by the fact that this goes deeper than being a bad reporter.
Roy Batty68 Caldari Immortal Dead	Posted - 2008.07.21 12:18:00 - [72] Judas priest... The only people seeing bias in the ISD article are the people looking for it. And while that supposed bias has to be explained for the rest of us, it wasn't all that hard to spot it in the Eve Tribune article with no help. Hence Ki An's response (I'm assuming). Here's a tip. BoB may be a bunch of arrogant whatevers. So what? Ignore them. Because every time you "OMG CCP LOVES BoB" bozos come out, you just look like a bunch of butt sore geeks. Do yourself a favor, give it a rest. Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail mods@ccpgames.com ~Saint
fuze Chosen Path Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2008.07.21 13:25:00 - [73] You're basically showing the same narrow minded view as the OP. Shortsight 4TL. The Tribune 'rant' wasn't about BOB but about professionalism of CCP and affiliates. In fact BOB or any other alliance can't help that individuals cross the line and profit from favoritism. Being a power player, going to fanfests, the old boys network, getting into ISD and trying to get a job at CCP. Its all intertwined into a mix where people might be loosing touch of reality and getting tempted by fame, power or even cold hard cash. Pherhaps you should do some research on Tetrimon story to know what I'm talking about. You can't give it a rest because just like with RMT it will aim at destroying the fun everybody is having. It's not a holy crusade for the highest of truths. In game you can choose yourself what ethics you like to disregard but people tend to forget that this doesn't apply out the game. It's nothing more than using common sense and not crossing that line.
Ki An Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum	Posted - 2008.07.21 13:42:00 - [74] Edited by: Ki An on 21/07/2008 13:43:11 Originally by: fuze You're basically showing the same narrow minded view as the OP. Shortsight 4TL. The Tribune 'rant' wasn't about BOB but about professionalism of CCP and affiliates. In fact BOB or any other alliance can't help that individuals cross the line and profit from favoritism. Being a power player, going to fanfests, the old boys network, getting into ISD and trying to get a job at CCP. Its all intertwined into a mix where people might be loosing touch of reality and getting tempted by fame, power or even cold hard cash. Pherhaps you should do some research on Tetrimon story to know what I'm talking about. You can't give it a rest because just like with RMT it will aim at destroying the fun everybody is having. It's not a holy crusade for the highest of truths. In game you can choose yourself what ethics you like to disregard but people tend to forget that this doesn't apply out the game. It's nothing more than using common sense and not crossing that line. Well, the article was complaining about the fact that the New York Times didn't mention the backstory behind BoB's claims to want to achieve Eve-dominance. I'd say that was more of an anti-BoB whine than an anti-CCP whine. Possibly an anti-NYT whine, but I don't really understand why that would be necessary in a gaming fan-zine. Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
Xtreem Gallente Knockaround Guys Inc. Exxxotic	Posted - 2008.07.21 13:55:00 - [75] stole my name :(
Max Teranous Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.07.21 15:09:00 - [76] Originally by: Xtreem stole my name :( How do you think I feel ! Max
Tsiros Minmatar	Posted - 2008.07.21 17:04:00 - [77] when ever i hear BOB it comes in my mind ''BOB the builder, can we fix it'' due to my son. now back to the point. 5 min publicity regardless good or bad is a gain depending on how you see it. some might think that the article was in bob favour, and others might think not. so what is the big deal? yes there is a war not only in the eve universe with the ship, but also in the press, word of mouth etc. But the battles regardless which side you favour will indicate if bob action/s will have ''positive'' results or not. so those that are actually involved should get back in their ships and fight (pls no HUGE fleets as you lag us).

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