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Ed Raz	Posted - 2008.07.17 10:30:00 - [1] Alright so I've been playing a bit over a month (yes I admit to still being a noob) and I'm about to train the skills I need for battleship. I know being ready for a battleship is going to take a bit, but I am wondering what do I try to train for after that? Should I polish off a few more basics and head for capital ship training? Should I try to focus on some Tech II variants? (Interdictors seem interesting...) It seems awfully soon in the game to pilot a Capitol Class yet, but I don't see the specific benefit to flying 18 Tech II types either... Help? Advice?
Urizak Lorzar Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.07.17 10:49:00 - [2] Personally, i'd get your T2 skills up. It's always important to use T2 equipment for both PVE and PVP aspects. Learning to fly ships, and learning to fly ships competently are two completely different matters. What I do is to learn to fly a particular type of ship, then learn T2 equipment I want to use on it, then learn the T2 ship version of the original, and go about it that way. But each to their own.
Kazuma Saruwatari Caldari	Posted - 2008.07.17 10:51:00 - [3] Way. Too. Friking. Soon. I strongly suggest you maximize support, tanking and fitting skills: (do note, only take one tanking skill family depending on what you fly) Electronics 5 Electronics (increases CPU) 4/5 Electronics Upgrades (CPU mods) 4 Long-Range Targeting (lock targets farther away) 4/5 Signature Analysis (lock targets faster) 4/5 Targeting (lock more targets) Engineering 5 Engineering (increases powergrid) 4/5 Energy Grid Upgrades (allows for use of powergrid-extension mods) 5 Energy Systems Operation (increases capacitor recharge rate) 4/5 Energy Management (increases capacitor capacity, indirectly increasing cap charge rate more) Shield Tanking skills, under Engineering (if you fly all Caldari or some Mimmatar shield based ships) 5 Shield Operation (base Shield skill) 4/5 Shield Compensation (affects active shield booster effectiveness) 4/5 Shield Upgrades (Shield mods) 4/5 Shield Management (Shield capacity) 4 damagetype Shield Compensation (4 skills, 1 per damage type, works on passive/inactive hardeners) 4/5 Tactical Shield Manipulation (prevents damage "bleed-through" at certain percentages of shield) Mechanic (Armor tanking skills, Amarr, Gallente, and some Mimmatar ships) 5 Mechanic (base skill, increases hull strength) 4/5 Repair Systems (armor repair mods) 5 Hull Upgrades (base armor strength skill, allows for armor/hull mods) 4/5 damagetype Armor Compensation (same deal as Shield Compensation) Only then do you consider bigger ships you will* lose to inexperience. Do not assume you will not lose your first ship in a ship class. You WILL lose it. -
Mad Mackem E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.07.17 10:53:00 - [4] Can i ask why you are training for battleship exactly? I would always suggest people become experts in frigates and cruisers before stepping in a bs. Always work on your basics, learning, electronics, engineering, mechanic etc, will help you in the long run Regards
Urizak Lorzar Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.07.17 11:10:00 - [5] Originally by: Mad Mackem Can i ask why you are training for battleship exactly? I would always suggest people become experts in frigates and cruisers before stepping in a bs. Always work on your basics, learning, electronics, engineering, mechanic etc, will help you in the long run Regards Depends entirely on what you're doing. If you want to get to lvl 4 missions and make some ISK for PVE, training to fly BS asap is important, providing you have your connection skills up and can blast through lower level missions.
Tyrael Primus AngelCor Paxton Federation	Posted - 2008.07.17 12:07:00 - [6] T2 ships are specialized nad perform certain PvP function with their role bonuses and abilities. I'd avoid capital ships altogether unless you are part of an alliance that can afford/support them. Interceptors and interdictors are very different and much, much more capable than their T1 counterparts
Pteranodon	Posted - 2008.07.17 12:10:00 - [7] You can get hooked on battleships. The natural progression is to move to Marauders. It takes a long time even to outlive the capabilities of a tier 1 battleship. If you were to train a Dominix you would want good drone skills so look to put 3 months training into that aspect alone say 5-6 million skillpoints to have all Heavies & Sentries with the tec2 mediums complete as well. The base support skills from the previous post are critical without these you can forget moving on as your battleships will be seriously unskilled & Marauders have quite high requirements anyway. I'm planning to move sideways into HACS as these can also make good use of your base skills an Ishtar for instance can take advantage of your drone skills. I would say that the battleship path is long but rewarding when you get there but there are a shed load of skills to learn along the way so don't think you can do all of them in a few weeks.
Dictum Factum Gemini Sun Violent-Tendencies	Posted - 2008.07.17 12:13:00 - [8] I feel that everyone is morally obligated to blow up a battleship piloted by a player that is one month old. That said, if you have only been in game a month(ish), you have a long way to go before you will be able to fly a battleship. Remember, just because the game lets you sit in it does not mean that you are ready for it. Train up your support skills as well as the skills that you need for the Tec 2 versions of any modules that you will need. That will keep you busy for quite some time yet. I know less than you think I do. Gemini Sun is Recruiting
cillisia Caldari Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2008.07.17 12:16:00 - [9] too soon man, I'm just thinking about training into battleships now and I have 10mil sp already, get your support skills done, you should have spent the first month doing learning skills anyway, well next to getting a frigate skilled enough to do level 1's anyway.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.07.17 17:50:00 - [10] Originally by: Mad Mackem Can i ask why you are training for battleship exactly? I would always suggest people become experts in frigates and cruisers before stepping in a bs. Always work on your basics, learning, electronics, engineering, mechanic etc, will help you in the long run Regards because a 50ish day character can run level 4 missions in a battleship no problem. the problem is usually they haven't a clue how to fit the ship in such a way to do so or just can't afford the bs feel free to head to any mission hub, plenty of 3-4 month old characters with 5.0 sec status although if you want pvp the support skills and frig/cruisers are the way to go at a month old

Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa The Perfect Harvesting Experience	Posted - 2008.07.17 18:38:00 - [11] I belief the 3rd or 4th poster mentioned it... Support skills. End of story... ----------------------------------------------- Originally by: Paper Rock's fine, nerf Scissors
Thiassi Uth'Matar Gallente	Posted - 2008.07.17 23:51:00 - [12] I would like to see these BS with medium turrets, tech 1 medium drones and civilian modules doing level 4 missions. I realy can't imagine what you would be able to fit better than that, after a month in game. I also can't imagine how you could afford the price tag on even a tier one BS.
RedSkySun	Posted - 2008.07.18 00:28:00 - [13] After about 1.5-2 months i was competently running lvl 4's in my Dominix. Rigs installed by someone else still work even if you dont have the skills. I ran about 1 lvl 4 in about 30-45 minute time. Good even by "pros" standard. I jumped right into Sent Guns and was kicking butt after i got the feel for it.
k jin'tqo	Posted - 2008.07.18 03:40:00 - [14] Edited by: k jin''tqo on 18/07/2008 03:44:30 Originally by: Mad Mackem Can i ask why you are training for battleship exactly? I would always suggest people become experts in frigates and cruisers before stepping in a bs. Always work on your basics, learning, electronics, engineering, mechanic etc, will help you in the long run Regards I hate idiotic posts like this, if he wants to fly a bs he should train for skills that will help him fly a bs right away instead of wasting time on cruisers, remember not everyone has been playing this game for years. Edit: @cillisia HOW MUCH FUN IS IT TO SIT IN A GAME FOR A MONTH AND JUST TRAIN SKILLS TO HELP YOU TRAIN OTHER SKILLS, SERIOUSLY?!
Mahke Carrion Crows	Posted - 2008.07.18 07:16:00 - [15] Support skills guy nailed it You've already gone through the initial t1 ships/learning skills phase Next, train up so you can fit t2 mods and get the universal support skills that help all ships and the ones for your race/weapons platform(s)/tanking style(s). I have 14mil+ SP and I'm still in this step. Get IV's (or at least III's) in most things and V's in the crucial ones. Then you can move on to capitals (if that's your thing and you have the isk) and/or T2 ships, or just go all out and V your less essential support skills. Interdictors, btw, will make you loved, wanted, and essential throughout 0.0 (also dead a lot, but, eh, comes with being a valuable team player in EVE).
Savage Creampuff Caldari Privateers	Posted - 2008.07.18 11:47:00 - [16] hey, ya got a battleship. cool. now learn how to fly it well. tank / capacitor / fitting skills ftw
Kusha'an Gallente RuffRyders Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.07.18 19:53:00 - [17] Battleship-->Level 4 missions-->Lotsa ISK-->Skillbooks-->Better skills-->Anything you want ---- CCP, please implement a skill queue!
Mad Mackem E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.07.18 23:35:00 - [18] Originally by: k jin'tqo Edited by: k jin''tqo on 18/07/2008 03:44:30 Originally by: Mad Mackem Can i ask why you are training for battleship exactly? I would always suggest people become experts in frigates and cruisers before stepping in a bs. Always work on your basics, learning, electronics, engineering, mechanic etc, will help you in the long run Regards I hate idiotic posts like this, if he wants to fly a bs he should train for skills that will help him fly a bs right away instead of wasting time on cruisers, remember not everyone has been playing this game for years. Edit: @cillisia HOW MUCH FUN IS IT TO SIT IN A GAME FOR A MONTH AND JUST TRAIN SKILLS TO HELP YOU TRAIN OTHER SKILLS, SERIOUSLY?! Cause i would feast on ******s like you in a battleships without the skills or knowhow to fly it. Oh i see youve been playing the game for 16 days, you must be an expert.
Aesynil Caldari The Unit...	Posted - 2008.07.19 02:57:00 - [19] Hey Ed, a fresh suggestion from what I've read. Search for Eve-Mon (It, or a link to it, is sticked up top, or the post floats around the skills forum), and enter in the skills required to fit a COMPLETE Tech 2 fit to your battleship. Add to that all support skills for your weapon systems to IV, and T2 guns. Add to that the suggestions placed here (Electronics, engineering, cap skills, etc) You'll see quite quickly that you have a long, long way to go before being finished with battleships :) Aesynil has 30M or so SP, and is -nowhere- close to being done with any ship type. The biggest tip I can offer is try to find out what you want, and focus on it. If I'd spent all 30M of that SP towards a few ships I truly enjoy, I'd be a far more effective pilot today. The Unit pursues invention, manufacturing, mining, and research. Evemail us if you need anything related to Science and Industry.
Artemis Rose Eleckrostatik	Posted - 2008.07.19 03:50:00 - [20] Go with fitting and support skills to get the most of all the ships you are flying at first (polishing off the basics). You can go straight to capitals, its just a year++ away to be remotely decent at. Everybody cringes at the thought of capitals using BS modules and crap fitting because the owner didn't bother to train the skills. My only disclaimer, is that capital ships are in NO way solo ships. They don't do PvE and they are just about worthless by themselves. Do some research, find a ship/role you would like to fill and specialize towards that. __________________________________________________ Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine. WTB Purple Nerf Bat.

Blue Disk	Posted - 2008.07.20 14:23:00 - [21] Originally by: Mad Mackem Cause i would feast on ******s like you in a battleships without the skills or knowhow to fly it. Not if he is running level 4 missions in 1.0 space just for ISK. Although this is not the path I took with Eve, I think it is the fastest way for someone to get the skills and money they need quickly. Get into a BS as fast as possible, run level 4 missions, then get support skills. They will die in PvP but if they aren't doing PvP then that isn't a problem. Now, with that said, you definitely need to get EveMon and EFT and learn your way around modules, and get some level of support skills and proper tanking before you can do a level 3/4 mission or you will have to warp in and out 10 times just to finish it. And don't dare head into low sec either.
MidnightMatriarch	Posted - 2008.07.21 01:52:00 - [22] My main's a little over 4 months old and I just recently made the jump to BS's and to be quite honest I would have rather stayed flying a cruiser/BC for a month or two longer to hone my support skills. I lost about 80 mil when my domi went pop during a mission while trying to run it semi-AFK because my cap skills are not good enough to run a dual rep setup for long enough to kill the mission. My advice is to wait. Cruisers and BCs are much cheaper and you will be able to use them much more effectively while you work on support.

CCP Taera	Posted - 2008.07.21 01:55:00 - [23] Don't underestimate your support skills! Kazuma Saruwatari gave a good list; gunnary, tracking, fitting, etc pays off for everything you fly. Taera Associate Community Manager CCP Hf, EVE Online Email

Freakdevil Explora Empire Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.07.22 04:40:00 - [24] Assuming PVE: Maurauders > Command Ships > Battleships Assuming PVP: nAno HACs > Battleships Support Skills are KEY. I wouldnt rush away from Battleships just yet. T2 Fitted BS with near perfect skills are quite beautiful beasts in the right hands and quite affordable! A word of warning about Interdictors. They are great until you die like a hundred times :)
Meylota LeFey	Posted - 2008.07.22 09:37:00 - [25] On my main I was in a Drake after about 3 weeks and I'd spent about a week of that on learning skills. Of course, my tanking skills really sucked, but I could still do levels 3's, though they could be a little scary at 1st with my bad skills. After about 2 more weeks I had a T2 fit on the Drake and was laughing my way through level 3's perfectly invulnerable. Then I trained a couple more support skills, cruise missiles, and got into my Raven after about 6 weeks playing. Tweaked a few skills for its tank here and there, but for the most part have been training things like drones and navigation and getting my learning all to 5/4 (except Charisma which is still 4/3). Now that that's done I'm going through all the Engineering and Electronics and Mechanic skills that are still sitting at 2 or 3 and getting them all to at least 4 (and the rank 1 skills all to 5 becuz they only take 3 days anymore) and once I've got those fitting/tank skills up then I'll start foscusing back on my weapon skills. then from there I'll look at branching out in to Interceptors and HAC's. Maybe even Logisitcs and E-War too, but. . .time will tell. I have no plans to get in to capitals for a long time. I don't need to -- still too much to do in the smaller classes and I don't want a capital. But with all that said, I'm not sorry I got into the BS as fast as I did. Level 4 mission running is my main ISK generator and I've been able to have a decent supply of it coming in at all times since I got into my BS, so getting in to it early even without "perfect skills" was a great boon to me.
Clueless Alt	Posted - 2008.07.22 10:54:00 - [26] Originally by: Freakdevil A word of warning about Interdictors. They are great until you die like a hundred times :) The best thing in flying interdictors is poping in your own bubble. \o/
Krissam Caldari Nomads Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2008.07.22 11:27:00 - [27] Originally by: Meylota LeFey On my main I was in a Drake after about 3 weeks and I'd spent about a week of that on learning skills. Of course, my tanking skills really sucked, but I could still do levels 3's, though they could be a little scary at 1st with my bad skills. After about 2 more weeks I had a T2 fit on the Drake and was laughing my way through level 3's perfectly invulnerable. nice, ive started an alt with the intention of having him carebear lvl 4s for isk, he's currently training up to be a salvage "bot" first, then learning, and then you around 3 weeks to get in a t2 fittet drake? sounds like he can supply some extra dps on my mains missions pretty quick then :)
314159265	Posted - 2008.07.22 13:00:00 - [28] Did someone mention drones? You do want to have drones when you're flying a battleship in missions. Without drones you wont be able to kill the frigates that web/scram you in missions and you will die. Drones are essential support skills for a battleship.
Ringo Jeicha Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2008.07.22 13:09:00 - [29] Indeed, train especially for medium drones (the dominix can hold a whole fleet of those) and do not follow the bandwagon and use only hammerheads, but carry all and use the appropriate damage type for each faction. Serpentis = kinetic, Angel = explosive --- Braaaiiinnnsssssssssss
Krissam Caldari Nomads Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2008.07.22 13:26:00 - [30] actually i've been wondering about that, would Vespa II & HH II (which i have trained currently) be better than Infiltrator I/Valkyrie I ?

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