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Gartel Reiman Civis Romanus Sum TRUST Coalition	Posted - 2008.07.19 16:20:00 - [31] Originally by: Meiyang Lee As for a single LARII being enough, with enough resists it should be quite alright, the MARII in my fit isn't really needed very often, but helps when you accidentally grab a bit more aggro than you can handle with a single LARII. IMO, a single LAR plus 4 hardeners is enough to tank all level 4s if you're managing aggro effectively. If you're just starting and you're not confident in what you're doing, then sure, take the MAR (or another LAR) as an insurance policy. But once you've got a feel for how they work, you'd be better off using that slot (and cap) for another heatsink so you can complete the missions faster. Even if you do still get surplus aggro occasionally, you'll probably be quicker overall having to warp out very occasionally and having ~20% higher damage when you don't.
Falcon Troy Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.07.19 18:06:00 - [32] Originally by: Wideen Originally by: Falcon Troy Edited by: Falcon Troy on 19/07/2008 10:33:15 Originally by: Wideen Edited by: Wideen on 19/07/2008 10:15:14 I push beyond 700 dps with t2 pulse and t2 hammerheads (my skills), although the dmg from guns is only 600 with multifrequency. Oh and this includes 3 HS and two reppers, which leaves me with 2 slots for hardeners... dunno how that is supposed to be viable Edit: just checked my geddon mission fit in eft, it has 200 more dps than my apoc setup (although most of that comes from t2 heavies), it can permarun everything, although only one repper but with great resists (appr. 83% on the mission specific resists). So basically, the only thing the apoc has going is that extra range. Generally you'll want to use a mix of drones for missions to hit the fast frigates. Going with all Heavies on a Geddon would be a crappy idea. Also, it has a bad active tank if you ask me while the Apoc can push tank and gank for missions + excellent range and a good set of drones. The Apoc is pretty much superior in every way for missions compared to the other Amarr battleships. Geddon is just a baby Abaddon and both do oh so much better as DPS platforms fit for buffers in PVP. I agree with the geddon and abaddon being awesome pvp platforms with buffers, and the apoc is prob. meant to act as a fleet/pve ship considering its bonuses and general stats. Thing is this, I've always been running my lvl 4s in a pimped out raven but that is getting so old it's not even funny, so I thought I'd make it a bit more fun by using an amarr ship, which is also a good choice seeing as I have t2 guns. However, my pve experience comes from shield tanking basically, so I'm not rly sure how much armor tank is needed when doing lvl 4s. One rep, great resists - two reps, mediocre resists? does it need to permarun? Hence, I'm having some difficulty to find a viable setup as when it comes to the Apoc. Could anyone spare their tanking setup on the Apoc? The highs are given (MPL II) and so are mids (CR II), and rigs (semiconductor/CCC). Did I not already give you a permarun fit a few posts up? Mega Pulse II [Scorch L] Mega Pulse II [Scorch L] Mega Pulse II [Scorch L] Mega Pulse II [Scorch L] Mega Pulse II [Scorch L] Mega Pulse II [Scorch L] Mega Pulse II [Scorch L] Mega Pulse II [Scorch L] 100MN Afterburner II Tracking Computer II [Speed] Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Internal Force Field Array I Adaptive Nano Plating II Mission Specific Hardener II Mission Specific Hardener II Large Armor Repairer II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II [Capacitor Control Circuit I] [Capacitor Control Circuit I] [Capacitor Control Circuit I] 5x Hammerhead II 5x Hobgoblin II Runs forever without the AB on. Almost 700dps... _____________ Hai.
Wideen Contraband Inc.	Posted - 2008.07.19 19:06:00 - [33] Originally by: Falcon Troy Originally by: Wideen Originally by: Falcon Troy Edited by: Falcon Troy on 19/07/2008 10:33:15 Originally by: Wideen Edited by: Wideen on 19/07/2008 10:15:14 I push beyond 700 dps with t2 pulse and t2 hammerheads (my skills), although the dmg from guns is only 600 with multifrequency. Oh and this includes 3 HS and two reppers, which leaves me with 2 slots for hardeners... dunno how that is supposed to be viable Edit: just checked my geddon mission fit in eft, it has 200 more dps than my apoc setup (although most of that comes from t2 heavies), it can permarun everything, although only one repper but with great resists (appr. 83% on the mission specific resists). So basically, the only thing the apoc has going is that extra range. Generally you'll want to use a mix of drones for missions to hit the fast frigates. Going with all Heavies on a Geddon would be a crappy idea. Also, it has a bad active tank if you ask me while the Apoc can push tank and gank for missions + excellent range and a good set of drones. The Apoc is pretty much superior in every way for missions compared to the other Amarr battleships. Geddon is just a baby Abaddon and both do oh so much better as DPS platforms fit for buffers in PVP. I agree with the geddon and abaddon being awesome pvp platforms with buffers, and the apoc is prob. meant to act as a fleet/pve ship considering its bonuses and general stats. Thing is this, I've always been running my lvl 4s in a pimped out raven but that is getting so old it's not even funny, so I thought I'd make it a bit more fun by using an amarr ship, which is also a good choice seeing as I have t2 guns. However, my pve experience comes from shield tanking basically, so I'm not rly sure how much armor tank is needed when doing lvl 4s. One rep, great resists - two reps, mediocre resists? does it need to permarun? Hence, I'm having some difficulty to find a viable setup as when it comes to the Apoc. Could anyone spare their tanking setup on the Apoc? The highs are given (MPL II) and so are mids (CR II), and rigs (semiconductor/CCC). Did I not already give you a permarun fit a few posts up? Mega Pulse II [Scorch L] Mega Pulse II [Scorch L] Mega Pulse II [Scorch L] Mega Pulse II [Scorch L] Mega Pulse II [Scorch L] Mega Pulse II [Scorch L] Mega Pulse II [Scorch L] Mega Pulse II [Scorch L] 100MN Afterburner II Tracking Computer II [Speed] Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Internal Force Field Array I Adaptive Nano Plating II Mission Specific Hardener II Mission Specific Hardener II Large Armor Repairer II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II [Capacitor Control Circuit I] [Capacitor Control Circuit I] [Capacitor Control Circuit I] 5x Hammerhead II 5x Hobgoblin II Runs forever without the AB on. Almost 700dps... maybe you did. I do the same as you posted now, albeit I use an EANM II instead of ANP II, and I use no afterburner. Also, the first mission I got was the "worlds collide" where the damn spawn stay at like 90-140km. So I fitted 4 x MPL II and 4 x MBL II, which works nicely. Difference is also that I have two aux nnano pumps and one CCC which permaruns everything, hence better rep per cycle.
Boz Well	Posted - 2008.07.19 19:09:00 - [34] Originally by: Wideen Originally by: Falcon Troy Edited by: Falcon Troy on 19/07/2008 10:33:15 Originally by: Wideen Edited by: Wideen on 19/07/2008 10:15:14 I push beyond 700 dps with t2 pulse and t2 hammerheads (my skills), although the dmg from guns is only 600 with multifrequency. Oh and this includes 3 HS and two reppers, which leaves me with 2 slots for hardeners... dunno how that is supposed to be viable Edit: just checked my geddon mission fit in eft, it has 200 more dps than my apoc setup (although most of that comes from t2 heavies), it can permarun everything, although only one repper but with great resists (appr. 83% on the mission specific resists). So basically, the only thing the apoc has going is that extra range. Generally you'll want to use a mix of drones for missions to hit the fast frigates. Going with all Heavies on a Geddon would be a crappy idea. Also, it has a bad active tank if you ask me while the Apoc can push tank and gank for missions + excellent range and a good set of drones. The Apoc is pretty much superior in every way for missions compared to the other Amarr battleships. Geddon is just a baby Abaddon and both do oh so much better as DPS platforms fit for buffers in PVP. I agree with the geddon and abaddon being awesome pvp platforms with buffers, and the apoc is prob. meant to act as a fleet/pve ship considering its bonuses and general stats. Thing is this, I've always been running my lvl 4s in a pimped out raven but that is getting so old it's not even funny, so I thought I'd make it a bit more fun by using an amarr ship, which is also a good choice seeing as I have t2 guns. However, my pve experience comes from shield tanking basically, so I'm not rly sure how much armor tank is needed when doing lvl 4s. One rep, great resists - two reps, mediocre resists? does it need to permarun? Hence, I'm having some difficulty to find a viable setup as when it comes to the Apoc. Could anyone spare their tanking setup on the Apoc? The highs are given (MPL II) and so are mids (CR II), and rigs (semiconductor/CCC). Caldari BS, Amarr BS, shield tanking, t2 lasers... sounds to me like you need a nightmare.
OutofSight Caldari DIVINE DIVIDE	Posted - 2008.07.19 23:04:00 - [35] The range is useful because in most missions 60-80% of things start more than 40km away. Having a multifreq optimal of around 37km (depending on your skills) is rather handy (specially with the large fall off of megabeams). Also means you can pop those scrambling frigs that start 70km away, rather than wait for your drones to do the work. Heres my current set-up while I train t2 large [Apocalypse, PVE] Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Armor EM Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Large Armor Repairer II (Switch this out for Amarr Navy Large armor repairer and auxiliary nano pump and your set for most spawns) Note 3 hardeners is enough for sansha blood because of the already high base em resist (switch to 4 for other missions and drop a heatsink) Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Note: Tracking computer can be replaced with AB or sensor booster (beginning to actually wonder if the tracking computer is actually worth it) Mega Modulated Energy Beam I, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Mega Modulated Energy Beam I, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Mega Modulated Energy Beam I, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Mega Modulated Energy Beam I, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Mega Modulated Energy Beam I, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Mega Modulated Energy Beam I, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Mega Modulated Energy Beam I, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Dual Modulated Heavy Energy Beam I, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Auxiliary Nano Pump I Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Its not a perma run set-up but like someone has already said, perma run set-ups may make missions easier (make you feel more secure) however the mission doesnt go any faster, i find killing off ships to reduce the incoming dps so I dont need to run the LAR except every now and again much more interesting, than just switching it on and slowly picking off ships. Armageddon: Havent personally looked at it, but I think it would be hard to get a cap stable version and the range for my point view is still quite low Abaddon: similar sort of thing hard to get cap stable Both could be more useful if you start on top of everything, as the higher dps and using pulses would be worth it, but still Id rather take the trusty apoc anyday ------------------------------------ In times of War the law falls silent... OutofSight, OutofMind

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