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Kuzya Morozov
Gallente
L8L8L8
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Posted - 2008.07.17 13:13:00 -
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Is there any other BC that can take it 1v1?
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Galliana Foresta
Gallente
Fleeting Moments of Insanity
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Posted - 2008.07.17 13:15:00 -
[2]
The Harbinger probably could.
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Donde Esta
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Posted - 2008.07.17 13:16:00 -
[3]
Clearly it should be nerfed, since no BC should be #1.
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Transmaniacon
Minmatar
Strike-Force-Alpha
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Posted - 2008.07.17 13:16:00 -
[4]
Maybe a tanked myrm with blasters, but it would be hard to kill it in time.
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Kuzya Morozov
Gallente
L8L8L8
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Posted - 2008.07.17 13:18:00 -
[5]
 Originally by: Galliana Foresta
The Harbinger probably could.
Clever :\
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Cpt Cosmic
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Posted - 2008.07.17 13:20:00 -
[6]
a properly fitted drake will eat every harbinger :)
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Saietor Blackgreen
The First Foundation
Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2008.07.17 13:21:00 -
[7]
A well-tanked BC with a neut? Myrm?
Harb is quite cap-dependent TBH, although cap boosters FTW for sure.
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Bager Gray
Gallente
COBRA INC
Private Military Contractors
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Posted - 2008.07.17 13:22:00 -
[8]
Originally by: Galliana Foresta
The Harbinger probably could.
win
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Kuzya Morozov
Gallente
L8L8L8
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Posted - 2008.07.17 13:22:00 -
[9]
Originally by: Cpt Cosmic
a properly fitted drake will eat every harbinger :)
Tell me what you mean by properly fitted...I seriously doubt it can do enough DPS to break a Harb's tank. Tried a myrm, not enough DPS, even with blasters in the highs.
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Cpt Cosmic
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Posted - 2008.07.17 13:25:00 -
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lol what a tank? harbs tank sux, only thing it can do is have a decent buffer with nice dmg, that is all :)
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Kano Sekor
Amarr
The Movement
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Posted - 2008.07.17 13:29:00 -
[11]
Myrm and Cane
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2008.07.17 13:32:00 -
[12]
Yeah Drake would very likely do it, but it would be close. Slaves would give the Harbinger the advantage though.
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Daftex Muleson
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.07.17 13:34:00 -
[13]
A hurricane should be able to.
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Riho
Gallente
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.07.17 13:39:00 -
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Edited by: Riho on 17/07/2008 13:40:46
Originally by: Kuzya Morozov
Is there any other BC that can take it 1v1?
plate fitted hurricane
another harbinger
mybe a tanked myrm
mybe a HAM drake ( very unlikly but depends on both pilots)
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Cpt Cosmic
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Posted - 2008.07.17 13:40:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Cosmic on 17/07/2008 13:43:12
you can even use an unconventional setup like nano your drake and fitting 2 TDs and fall from the chair laughing because of the epic kill 
face it, the harbinger is a one trick pony and can be defeated easily by outlasting or outmaneuvering and I dont see a reason to use a slave set for a BC.
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Riho
Gallente
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.07.17 13:40:00 -
[16]
Originally by: Cpt Cosmic
a properly fitted drake will eat every harbinger :)
lol
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kessah
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.07.17 13:55:00 -
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The harbinger and hurricanes are the dmg output battlecruisers and the other two favour tank more.
Hurricane can definetly kill a harbinger and vice versa just depends on pilot skill.
Altho i have managed to squeeze nearly 825 dps (920 exactly overloaded) from a harbinger and thats not faction. Damned sexy ship.
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Wideen
Contraband Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.17 14:43:00 -
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where do people get the idea that the harb is unbeatable?
get in a myrm, go full tank, with some nos/neut, few guns, grow some patience and the harb will eventually die. Because rly, a well-tanked (incl. rigs) myrm can tank shitloads, so one single harb shouldn't be a prob.
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Jallem Sims
Minmatar
Quantum Warriors
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Posted - 2008.07.17 14:48:00 -
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Daftex Muleson
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.07.17 14:56:00 -
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The Harby's achiles heel is it's limited damage type range. Get a good tank against EM/Thermal and a Harby is gonna have a hard time killing your ship cos it is only doing about 20% of it's dps.
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Gimpb
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Posted - 2008.07.17 14:58:00 -
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Yeah, one with a neut or two.
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Ana Volyova
Caldari
Sky's Edge
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Posted - 2008.07.17 15:00:00 -
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Originally by: Daftex Muleson
Edited by: Daftex Muleson on 17/07/2008 14:56:24
The Harby's achiles heel is it's limited damage type. Get a good tank against EM/Thermal and a Harby is gonna have a hard time killing your ship cos it is only doing about 20% of it's dps.
NERF AMARR!
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr
Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2008.07.17 16:03:00 -
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Originally by: kessah
The harbinger and hurricanes are the dmg output battlecruisers and the other two favour tank more.
Hurricane can definetly kill a harbinger and vice versa just depends on pilot skill.
Altho i have managed to squeeze nearly 825 dps (920 exactly overloaded) from a harbinger and thats not faction. Damned sexy ship.
I dont understand where people get these redicilous 800+ dps harbingers from. Post this hax setup please.
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AstroPhobic
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.07.17 16:09:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: kessah
The harbinger and hurricanes are the dmg output battlecruisers and the other two favour tank more.
Hurricane can definetly kill a harbinger and vice versa just depends on pilot skill.
Altho i have managed to squeeze nearly 825 dps (920 exactly overloaded) from a harbinger and thats not faction. Damned sexy ship.
I dont understand where people get these redicilous 800+ dps harbingers from. Post this hax setup please.
7 heavy pulse II with AN MF, 3 HS II, and 5 hammer IIs nets me 760. I'd like to see this setup too.
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Transmaniacon
Minmatar
Strike-Force-Alpha
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Posted - 2008.07.17 16:15:00 -
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Implants?
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Kaileen Starsong
Amarr
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.07.17 16:19:00 -
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Originally by: AstroPhobic
7 heavy pulse II with AN MF, 3 HS II, and 5 hammer IIs nets me 760. I'd like to see this setup too.
2x5% hardwires yield 820(823 if 5% rof hardwire). It's not the one which should be feared in a 1v1 BC duel tho 
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P'uck
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Posted - 2008.07.17 16:20:00 -
[27]
it's HARBRINGJNER
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Mamarto
Minmatar
Dead Pirates' Society
Valhalla Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.17 16:22:00 -
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Don't forget about overheating. 
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Kirkus Jameus
Amarr
Guardian Gold Rakashasa Corporation
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Posted - 2008.07.17 16:25:00 -
[29]
Originally by: Ana Volyova
Originally by: Daftex Muleson
Edited by: Daftex Muleson on 17/07/2008 14:56:24
The Harby's achiles heel is it's limited damage type. Get a good tank against EM/Thermal and a Harby is gonna have a hard time killing your ship cos it is only doing about 20% of it's dps.
NERF AMARR!
this.
Amarr is already nerfed. Came pre-nerfed from the factory.
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DubanFP
Caldari
Four Rings
Souls of Vengeance
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Posted - 2008.07.17 17:10:00 -
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Hurricane. Definately :-).
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Boz Well
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Posted - 2008.07.17 17:11:00 -
[31]
Originally by: Sir Bum
Lol nerf amarr? As stated before, its easy to counter a harbi 1vs1 since its dps is all based on therm/em, wich makes it quite easy to outtank it. And if it has such a crazy (em/therm) dps, its tank cant be much, especially if you use a neut on it.
Regardless of whether the Harbi is a little too powerful, it's a really stupid argument to say you can just stack em/therm resistances for '1v1'. In anything but a purely staged fight, you don't know what you're going to be fighting. If you go out with all EM resistances and nothing for the other types of damage, the first non-Amarr ship you meet will destroy you. I guess if the only pvp you do is to stage fights with your friends down to structure, that's a viable tactic, but otherwise it's silly.
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Petitioneer
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Posted - 2008.07.17 17:14:00 -
[32]
Originally by: AstroPhobic
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: kessah
The harbinger and hurricanes are the dmg output battlecruisers and the other two favour tank more.
Hurricane can definetly kill a harbinger and vice versa just depends on pilot skill.
Altho i have managed to squeeze nearly 825 dps (920 exactly overloaded) from a harbinger and thats not faction. Damned sexy ship.
I dont understand where people get these redicilous 800+ dps harbingers from. Post this hax setup please.
7 heavy pulse II with AN MF, 3 HS II, and 5 hammer IIs nets me 760. I'd like to see this setup too.
That would drop to a normal plated fitted cane imo. Otherwise it all depends on the pilot. Had a 1v1 with a PRVTR harby some time ago in my hurricane, won with 15% hull. DCII FTW 
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DeadRow
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.07.17 17:15:00 -
[33]
^Stupid alt
Quote:
Iz in ur base, implanting ur dudes
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Fiyah Sun
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.07.17 17:16:00 -
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Passive drake will absolutely give a Harb a hard time, though a harb can dictate the fight with such a fitting in most cases.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2008.07.17 17:20:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 17/07/2008 17:22:09
I havent fought one on the live server, but I killed one on the test server quite easily in my hurricane. But the fight started at close range so that was to my advantage.
I think I had a plated setup with max damage fit. Maybe I used hail too, cant remember.
The hurricane is one of those ships that should not have been minmatar since it has enough turrets, slots and bonuses to be dangerous. But it is. 
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Furb Killer
Gallente
USC Militia
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Posted - 2008.07.17 17:55:00 -
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In general i would say between cane and harb that the harb wins, but when you know your opponent i would put my money on the hurricane. (EM/therm hardeners, energy neutralizers).
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forum mematar
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Posted - 2008.07.17 18:26:00 -
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Hurricane is the only BC that can win against Harbinger in a 1on1.
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Galliana Foresta
Gallente
Fleeting Moments of Insanity
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Posted - 2008.07.17 21:38:00 -
[38]
I once saw a Harbringer with fraction turrents kill a Megatron.
True story.
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P'uck
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Posted - 2008.07.17 21:44:00 -
[39]
you mean magethorn?
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Galliana Foresta
Gallente
Fleeting Moments of Insanity
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Posted - 2008.07.17 21:58:00 -
[40]
My bad.
Magethorn.
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Admiral Pelleon
Caldari
White Shadow Imperium
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Posted - 2008.07.17 22:08:00 -
[41]
Originally by: P'uck
you mean magethorn?
Megathron.
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Viqtoria
Caldari
Groping Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2008.07.17 22:15:00 -
[42]
isn't that a turrent battlecruisor?
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Boz Well
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Posted - 2008.07.17 22:15:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Admiral Pelleon
Originally by: P'uck
you mean magethorn?
Megathron.
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Euriti
Gallente
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.07.17 22:39:00 -
[44]
myrm with neuts.
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Dahak2150
Chaos Monkeys
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Posted - 2008.07.18 02:36:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Cpt Cosmic
you can even use an unconventional setup like nano your drake
Lasers screw over nano ships royally. Bad idea.
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Bellator Militaris
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.07.18 04:04:00 -
[46]
Depends on the Gunnery skills. As most pilots realize the higher the level of training the faster you can kill. The Harbinger is a nasty bad ship.
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Terianna Eri
Amarr
Terianna Eri Corp
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Posted - 2008.07.18 04:41:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Petitioneer
Originally by: AstroPhobic
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: kessah
The harbinger and hurricanes are the dmg output battlecruisers and the other two favour tank more.
Hurricane can definetly kill a harbinger and vice versa just depends on pilot skill.
Altho i have managed to squeeze nearly 825 dps (920 exactly overloaded) from a harbinger and thats not faction. Damned sexy ship.
I dont understand where people get these redicilous 800+ dps harbingers from. Post this hax setup please.
7 heavy pulse II with AN MF, 3 HS II, and 5 hammer IIs nets me 760. I'd like to see this setup too.
That would drop to a normal plated fitted cane imo. Otherwise it all depends on the pilot. Had a 1v1 with a PRVTR harby some time ago in my hurricane, won with 15% hull. DCII FTW
Here is the setup, by the way:
[Harbinger, Gank]
3x Heat Sink II
Pseudoelectron Containment Field I
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Small Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 100
10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Faint Warp Prohibitor I
X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
7x Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M
Small EMP Smartbomb I /OFFLINE
3x Trimark Armor Pump I
Hammerhead II x5
With max skills, 5% turret RoF implant, 5% medium energy turret damage implant, it deals 823 dps.
I think you need a CPU implant to cram all that in - but the 3% turret CPU reduction one will work fine, in case you want to have a different slot 6 implant (the general PG / CPU implants use slot 6, the turret CPU reduction is slot 10).
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felirx
Caldari
Absinthe Brothers Consortium
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Posted - 2008.07.18 06:18:00 -
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secret WTFBBQ harbinger
[Harbinger, GANKT]
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Centii C-Type Adaptive Nano Plating
Centii C-Type Adaptive Nano Plating
Damage Control II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Warp Disruptor II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M
Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Trimark Armor Pump I
Trimark Armor Pump I
Trimark Armor Pump I
Hammerhead II x5
823 dps, nearly 17k armor, 70k EHP.
Of course when you compare it with a secret WTFHURRICANE
[Hurricane, Plate]
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Gyrostabilizer II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Warp Disruptor II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
Salvager I
Small Nosferatu II
Trimark Armor Pump I
Trimark Armor Pump I
Trimark Armor Pump I
Hobgoblin II x5
460 dps, 40k armor, 140k EHP.
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Cpt Cosmic
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Posted - 2008.07.18 06:19:00 -
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Originally by: Terianna Eri
harbinger stuff
and how much EHP will it have? a HAM drake reaches 90k EHP and 620 dps without any fancy implants
Originally by: Dahak2150
Originally by: Cpt Cosmic
you can even use an unconventional setup like nano your drake
Lasers screw over nano ships royally. Bad idea.
reading comprehension ftw :)
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Catelco
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.07.18 06:57:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Cpt Cosmic
wasting a slave set on harb omg, ham drake will own it without a single implant or just one with 2 TDs will do the job too :)
Implants? TDs? How many Drakes fit 2 TDs?
Please lets keep this using reasonable T2 fits which is how 90% of ppl has their ships fitted
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Cpt Cosmic
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Posted - 2008.07.18 07:12:00 -
[51]
actually using a drake as ewar platform for TDs and Sensor Damps is a valid option and often used :)
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Kano Sekor
Amarr
The Movement
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Posted - 2008.07.18 07:32:00 -
[52]
Can someone plx give me a Drake cutter setup for any non BS-ship i keep seeing em everywhere and i lost my gankageddon to a blob so i cant gank drakes in my thorax, atleast i cannot see how that should be done, but if i save up for a disposable harbinger it can be done i guess.
Suddenly Drakes hundreds of em.
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Catelco
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.07.18 07:53:00 -
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Edited by: Catelco on 18/07/2008 07:54:25
Originally by: Cpt Cosmic
actually using a drake as ewar platform for TDs and Sensor Damps is a valid option and often used :)
May be in a gang... will this Drake have MWD / web / point in addition to the 2 TD's?
I don't thinh a drake like this will have any chance in a realistic 1v1 engage, when you dont know there you may encounter.
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Cpt Cosmic
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Posted - 2008.07.18 08:01:00 -
[54]
Edited by: Cpt Cosmic on 18/07/2008 08:02:36
Originally by: Catelco
Edited by: Catelco on 18/07/2008 07:54:25
Originally by: Cpt Cosmic
actually using a drake as ewar platform for TDs and Sensor Damps is a valid option and often used :)
May be in a gang... will this Drake have MWD / web / point in addition to the 2 TD's?
I don't thinh a drake like this will have any chance in a realistic 1v1 engage, when you dont know there you may encounter.
why do you want a web on a TDs setup? not like you gonna be close or something. and hmm lets count, drake has 6 mid slots, I think you can put all this things on it :) if you have a chance or not, depends on thousand factors like, enemy ship, @what range did the fight start and so on, but with 2 TDs you will give turret ships a hard time.
nevertheless this thread was about harbinger vs other bc and a nanoed drake with 2 tds will make the harb pilot cry :) and a ham drake will give a harb a good fight too.
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Catelco
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.07.18 08:11:00 -
[55]
Ah, ok you were talking about the nano-drake.. then it makes more sense, even if I don't like very much to nano a BC :D
It could work if harbinger is engaged at the correct place
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Cpt Cosmic
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Posted - 2008.07.18 08:23:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Catelco
Ah, ok you were talking about the nano-drake.. then it makes more sense, even if I don't like very much to nano a BC :D
It could work if harbinger is engaged at the correct place
yeah, and the omg factor of a nano drake is priceless :)
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kessah
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.07.18 08:24:00 -
[57]
The three heatsink harbinger isnt sensible in my profession.
And no i wont tell you the setup - you'll need to figure it out or wait until i publish something that shows it off.
Thing is the Hurricane is more than capable of doing the same dps with hail.
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JS LiamElms
Gallente
Quantum Industries
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.18 08:31:00 -
[58]
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Wil Smithx
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Posted - 2008.07.18 08:31:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Galliana Foresta
I once saw a Harbringer with fraction turrents kill a Megatron.
True story.
A harbinger used fractions to divided the leader of the decepticons?!
OMFG!
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Daftex Muleson
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.07.18 08:33:00 -
[60]
If it wasn't for those pesky kids....
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Wil Smithx
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Posted - 2008.07.18 08:35:00 -
[61]
Why is there a tiny tortured **** on the last page?!
I would look myself but I'm at work and it may draw attention....
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2008.07.18 08:47:00 -
[62]
Originally by: JS LiamElms
lol at the drake lovers club.... funny just so funny
Not as funny as those who think the Harbinger would actually beat the Drake. The numbers are simple to run and the Harbinger simply can't win.
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Gneeznow
Minmatar
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.18 09:04:00 -
[63]
the real question is would a hurricane with lasers beat and autocannon harbinger
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Alan Maher
You're Doing It Wrong
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