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Tobias Creed
Minmatar Draconian Toymaker Corp
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Posted - 2008.07.17 21:18:00 -
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Edited by: Tobias Creed on 17/07/2008 21:20:15 Some of you may have noticed that I have so far been absent from the recent hostilities. To be honest, I saw the outbreak of war as the final failure of peace, and since it did not seem that the Republic was in danger, I have not yet volunteered. Now things have changed. The Empire has begun again the reclamation, and it seems my services are again needed. I would have signed up sooner, but other endeavors I had been preparing needed to be completed. Now those endeavors are ready for the light of day. While I am currently wrapping things up with my old Corp, I still intend to keep close ties with the Draconian Toymaker corp in the future, and am likely to work with them again at a later date.
I, along with a friend and former lecturer at Pator Tech School named Terela Doir, have been working with the Sisters of Eve to secure space in their Rens VII moon 19 station for the academy. The Academy will include living accommodations, classes, and workshops for many students. Our goal is to prepare former slaves for life in the Republic, teaching them valuable skills in order to allow them to pursue careers as ship's crew, on stations, and even planetside. I have arranged for some former members of my own crews to teach there, and have found other specialists willing to pass on their trade.
Currently we are prepared for courses in administration, starship engineering, station engineering, starship and station maintenance, Cargo handling, Mining, Scanner operation, drone operation, and basic courses intended to prepare recently freed slaves for life in the Republic. When I first came to the republic, as a recently freed slave, there was government support for such education facilities. Economic and political issues have ended that support. Now I seek to begin again that work.
The Rens Ex Slave Academy will also be involved in the militia, and will be accepting new pod pilots and providing ships for them. From here I will begin my participation in the war effort. ----- CCP has determined that some alliances were gaining an unfair advantage through the ability of their players to log in. They responded by nerfing boot.ini |

Terela Doir
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Posted - 2008.07.17 21:19:00 -
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All donations are accepted, and anyone with freed slaves is invited to contact either myself or my partner Tobias. We will work toward the future, both on the battlefield and in the classroom.
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Esna Pitoojee
Amarr Heavily Utilized Mechanic Mayhem
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Posted - 2008.07.17 21:34:00 -
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Edited by: Esna Pitoojee on 17/07/2008 21:34:28 I am gladened to see some are thinking beyond simply "freeing" slaves from Amarrian ownership... I hear too many stories about ex-slaves simply being dumped in refugee camps. ----------------------------------------------
Say "Amarr ships suk, lol." I dare you.
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Tobias Creed
Minmatar Draconian Toymaker Corp
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Posted - 2008.07.17 23:33:00 -
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Originally by: Esna Pitoojee Edited by: Esna Pitoojee on 17/07/2008 21:34:28 I am gladened to see some are thinking beyond simply "freeing" slaves from Amarrian ownership... I hear too many stories about ex-slaves simply being dumped in refugee camps.
While most of those stories are based on PIE propaganda, there is a serious problem with capsuleer pilots simply dropping freed slaves off at the nearest station. Many of these people do not have marketable skills, or know how to go about looking for work. We hope to do our part to remedy that situation. ----- CCP has determined that some alliances were gaining an unfair advantage through the ability of their players to log in. They responded by nerfing boot.ini |

Veron Daerth
Amarr Blood Meridian
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Posted - 2008.07.17 23:57:00 -
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Sadly, there are many reports of slaves being abused and dumped into various refugee camps and unsavory locations. Propaganda aside, it is inevitable that these people will be taken advantage of, mostly by petty criminals and the more established criminal organizations.
Freed slaves, especially those that were born into slavery and are many generational slaves, have no experience with the ideals of "freedom". They have few marketable skills and those that do, often cannot find work. (The Republic is in the midst of an economic decline)
Many slaves are born of mixed parentage, or are bred for specific things, and therefore have no Tribal claims to their protection or care. While I do not much like the system as a whole, Tribes do care for their own, and will see to those slaves that are accepted among them. The fact remains that a Khanid/Jin-Mei/Sebestior/Gallente slave (yes I have several slaves with bloodlines that convoluted) cannot claim rights of the Sebestior Tribe, since they are not even aware in many cases of their heritage. They drift along the fringes of the tribal society, often outcast and easy pickings for those that feed and recruit from those elements of every society for their own purposes.
I applaud you for what you would do, and will donate to you for the simple fact that for every soul you save, you do God's work, though you may know it not. But you dismiss the consequences of freeing slaves too lightly, my friend.
God Grant you wisdom.
((OOC: It is historical fact that slavery affects freed slaves most negatively AFTER they are freed, especially if through war or revolts. Most of the problems now attributable to the nations of Monrovia, Liberia, the Ivory Coast and such are results of freed slaves being rejected or transplanted out of the countries they acclimated to during their slavery. They are not experienced with the cultures and societies they are being placed in and both they and the society degrade and fail. Liberia is an excellent example of this. The reason I harp on changing the Empire from within is because I would like to avoid this in this game or simulation. Yes, I know its a game, lol.))
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AsheRaven
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.07.18 00:59:00 -
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Finally some one with the right idea. The repatriation of slaves over freeing them has not been a high prioity as of late, which in of itself is a dire shame. I have been reluctant to hand my free slave population and have taken it on myself and my megure resources to try and give them decent homes, education and the abilty to profit from their labours. We have to understand though that a slave is often accustomed to both hard work and in many cases abuse at thhe hands oof their handlers. They will expect the same treatment. My treatment has been thus
1: Reducation the abilty to choose ones own path in life This is difficult however as it can have one of two effects. Either the slave in question can be too grateful and dedicate his service to you for life, or he can learn what it is to be lazy and unproductive not only to soceirty but to himself. Oft times it is extreamly difficult to find a happy medium.
2: show them what it means to profit from their work. Again this too has it drawbacks. Some do not know what to do withh their hard earned isk, and let it simply slide or leave it to their mentors to spend their money for them on basic nesscities. Others have been known to get greedy and even enter thhe sllave trade themselves, most times these latter trustees tend to be more vile handllers than their previous owners. agsin another difficult task is to find a happy medium
3: Others are simply beyond any hope. Slavery has been thheir life, they can see nothing else. Even refuse to see it. They see this as a choice rather than the options and opportunities open to them. They would rather serve as the difficulties in making the greater descions is just too much for them to bear. These poor souls in effect become slaves to their rescuers, making an all too viscious circle. ---------------------------------
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Terela Doir
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Posted - 2008.07.18 01:13:00 -
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Edited by: Terela Doir on 18/07/2008 01:15:38
Originally by: AsheRaven helpful advice above
So far we have not come up with a solution for the third problem, but for the first and second we are implementing a gradual shift in behavior. We recognize that these students must be introduced to ISK in much the same way children are, and in the interest of that we begin by giving each student a small stipend in order to buy things they desire. We increase the stipend if it is being used wisely, and decrease it if it is not.
And for the first, we have a partial solution. Since the only purpose of the Academy is education, we will urge our students to pursue it. We have procured psychological staff to help students understand what they want, rather than simply who they want to serve.
For those who'se primary motivation in life has been punishment, we will try to help find new motivations. The Acadamy is voluntary, and we will force no one to attend. The program right now centers around introduction to various topics and professions, in the hope that one or another will "call" to a student.
We appreciate any further advice you can give us.
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Veron Daerth
Amarr Blood Meridian
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Posted - 2008.07.18 03:09:00 -
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Edited by: Veron Daerth on 18/07/2008 03:13:00 Taking you at your word, Pilot Doir, I have quite a bit of experience with slaves and how they think and are treated and how it affects them.
You must always keep in mind that the slaves born into slavery and those that have been multi generational slaves are used to a regimented lifestyle, not unlike in the military or in prison. I believe that the term is "institutionalized". They will often be prone to bouts of panic and hysteria and various forms of psychosis when confronted with the "free world" as they have no way to gauge it and it is often overwhelming and bewildering for them.
Approaching this issue from the standpoint of a child is ... well... a bit too simplistic, but is a good ideal in its generalities. When I acquire new slaves (a very very rare event) they are often abused slaves or damaged in some way. They are not accustomed to the system that I use to run my estates, which is unusual, especially by Amarrian standards. They can become withdrawn and unresponsive if not looked after and need to be integrated slowly and carefully into the society they are joining.
The danger is in the fact that though they (the slaves) have an almost childlike mentality when it comes to being "freed" they arent children and usually do not respond well when so treated. Especially those that were placed in trusted positions or positions of minor power. They will look at your attempts to "soften the blow" as being patronized at best. I suggest, for those individuals, a slightly different approach.
For those ex-slaves that do not respond so well to the "childishness" of your initial approach, I suggest a more blunt and, in many ways, risky way. If you have the funds, establish a small complex on the habitable planet closest to your station. Then settle them there in a more ... structured environment. Hopefully they will venture forth into the world a bit and "fall on their faces" a few times. Monitor them closely. When they become frustrated and/or get taken advantage of, supply them with a bit of non-invasive advice. Let experience be their guide, and then just give them a bit of a nudge in the direction they should be going (social development wise) when you see that they are ready for it. But be subtle when you do, people who have wounded ego's tend to be.. sensative at best when receiving advice.
All in all, I wish you best. Also.. one other thing. I have come across many "freed" slaves in my travels that have (especially females) taken to selling themselves to get by. They are often abused and degraded by their pimps and "clients". I have no tolerance for this, but I am only one man. These people often feel as if they cannot or are not worthy of help, especially the ex-slaves that are devout and of the Faithful. I advise that you find an open minded Ammarrian priest (I know several that do missionary work that would aid you) that will help restore their self-image and to reassure them that God still loves them, no matter the circumstances that may have found themselves in. You may find it ... distasteful, but for those of the Faith that have fallen (sometimes they dont get any choice about it, camp guards being what they are) being assuaged by a figure of authority in that Faith can help restore their sense of (inner) balance and their place in the Universe. God does love them, they just dont think He can after what they have done (or had done to them).
God grant you wisdom, Pilots.
((Edited because the damned profanity filter wont let me say pric*ly, as in defensive, but will et me curse, hooray for stupidity))
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Terela Doir
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Posted - 2008.07.18 03:32:00 -
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Originally by: Veron Daerth Edited by: Veron Daerth on 18/07/2008 03:13:00...
Your advice is good as well, though the habitable planets in the Rens system are... perhaps a bit too overcrowded and chaotic for this idea, the acadamy will likely expand in the future, and I will keep your idea in mind.
I agree that individual attention is necessary, especially in such cases as you describe.
As to your suggestion regarding a priest, I will consider it, but such a person would have to be carefully vetted. A fanatic of any stripe would be in a position to do considerable damage. We would need to find someone both devout and accepting. Perhaps you could suggest some candidates to me in the future.
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Archbishop
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.18 04:25:00 -
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I'm sure with these added new "skills" like cargo handling and station maintenance you'll also be providing these Matari individuals with free housing, healthcare, meals and spiritual guidence for life?
If not I can only state the obvious... they were better off in Amarrian care.
Archbishop
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Tobias Creed
Minmatar Draconian Toymaker Corp
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Posted - 2008.07.18 04:59:00 -
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Originally by: Archbishop
I'm sure with these added new "skills" like cargo handling and station maintenance you'll also be providing these Matari individuals with free housing, healthcare, meals and spiritual guidence for life?
If not I can only state the obvious... they were better off in Amarrian care.
Archbishop
So every single free citizen in the empire would be better off as a slave? The whole point of the Acadamy is to teach these people how to take care of themselves. To teach them that they are capable of taking care of themselves. But if guaranteed food and shelter for life in exchange for your freedom is such a good deal, then why haven't you signed up? And in all honesty, you could use some spiritual guidance yourself. ----- CCP has determined that some alliances were gaining an unfair advantage through the ability of their players to log in. They responded by nerfing boot.ini |

Terela Doir
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Posted - 2008.07.18 05:28:00 -
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And on another note, we do not seek to only teach practical and technical careers. For those who seek them, we will provide the basework courses for writing, philosophy, psychology, medicine, astrophysics, warp physics, history, and other such subjects.
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.07.18 08:37:00 -
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This munchausen slavery drivel is becoming somewhat of an ancient, not old chestnut.
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AsheRaven
Minmatar Blood Raiders Initiate BLOOD EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.07.18 11:58:00 -
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Originally by: Archbishop
I'm sure with these added new "skills" like cargo handling and station maintenance you'll also be providing these Matari individuals with free housing, healthcare, meals and spiritual guidence for life?
If not I can only state the obvious... they were better off in Amarrian care.
Archbishop
They were in that state largely due to your abuse of their basic privliedges. I could state the obvious but it's always lost on you... "old friend" ---------------------------------
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.19 16:59:00 -
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Originally by: AsheRaven
They were in that state largely due to your abuse of their basic privliedges. I could state the obvious but it's always lost on you... "old friend"
Because of course, the Blood Raiders and their followers never abuse the basic privileges of their slaves, do they?
 Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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AsheRaven
Minmatar Blood Raiders Initiate BLOOD EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.07.20 03:16:00 -
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That depends on the Raider, what I do with those who don't want freedom and to serve is between me and my charges ---------------------------------
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Melichor Duraldi
Gallente Fourth Circle Infinite Innovation
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Posted - 2008.07.20 21:35:00 -
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Originally by: Archbishop
I'm sure with these added new "skills" like cargo handling and station maintenance you'll also be providing these Matari individuals with free housing, healthcare, meals and spiritual guidence for life?
If not I can only state the obvious... they were better off in Amarrian care.
Archbishop
I can understand Archbishops position, with all of these freed slaves finding their own dreams, who is going to move his house?
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Nachshon
Caldari 17th Minmatar Tactical Wing
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Posted - 2008.07.21 00:19:00 -
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I heartily applaud this effort. If we are to incorporate freed slaves into the Republic, we must first teach them to be free. Especially since the government-run centers were closed, we need private institutions to do this.
I wish you good fortune. ____________________________________ Caldari by birth, Minmatar by citizenship.
The True Meaning of Freedom
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Illuvian
Gallente Heretic Militia
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Posted - 2008.07.21 01:43:00 -
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Originally by: Melichor Duraldi Edited by: Melichor Duraldi on 20/07/2008 22:13:28 I can understand Archbishops position. With all of these freed slaves finding their own dreams, who is going to move his house?
This is a truly sad state of affairs, I guess I must volunteer to help move Archbishops house into space, molecule by molecule.
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Terela Doir
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Posted - 2008.07.23 20:12:00 -
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The Rens Ex Slave Acadamy now serves 235 students. We have eight professors of various subjects, including myself. We currently are running introductory courses on Warp Mechanics, System Maintainence, Biology, Medicine, History, Physics, Philosophy, Agriculture, Language, Economics, Algebra, and Psychology. For a handful of slaves who already were given advanced training, we are offering advanced, one on one programs in specific fields.
Most of our focus is on language, Algebra, and History, as these are basic skills most neglected by our students previous learning environments. We have already made arrangements with Six Kin Development and Minmatar Mining Corporation to consider our graduates for employment.
We again urge that any pilots or organizations who are simply housing former slaves to contact us. We can arrange transport if necessary.
On another note, we have finally received acceptance for the pilots of Rens Ex Slave Acadamy into the militia. In 24 hours, we will begin assisting the defense of Republic space. We are currently accepting applicants in order to assist in this effort. We intend to fight the enslavement of the Matari people by both criminal and national entities. Freedom is our ultimate goal, and ignorance is the oldest cage.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2008.07.23 23:33:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: AsheRaven
They were in that state largely due to your abuse of their basic privliedges. I could state the obvious but it's always lost on you... "old friend"
Because of course, the Blood Raiders and their followers never abuse the basic privileges of their slaves, do they?
Rodj, I think I had better instruct you in something, since we've known each other for almost three years now and you still haven't grasped this concept.
Just because other people do things that are wrong, it doesn't make their accusations of your wrongdoing any less valid.
People who make hypocritical accusations are wrong for being hypocritical, but their accusations do not somehow hold less truth simply because they are hypocritical. -----
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