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Abzadrael
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Posted - 2008.07.17 23:04:00 -
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Which of the T1 frigates is the best "close range" combat ship? I was originally going to skill for a Rifter, but after realizing that the damage bonus is to projectile turrets I figured I wouldn't bother.
I'd imagine it would be Gallente, but the Tristran seems too slow and the Incursus seems like it dosent have the slots to power a combat ship.
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ThaDollaGenerale
Endless Destruction
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Posted - 2008.07.18 00:04:00 -
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you do realize autocannons are the high-damage close range projectile turret right?
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Captain Otlir
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Posted - 2008.07.18 00:05:00 -
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I would say a Kestrel. With four rocket launchers, each blasting away every 2.5 secs (or every 3 secs without BCU's and only half-decent skills), I would imagine it could do well up close for a T1 frig.
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AstroPhobic
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.07.18 00:16:00 -
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 Originally by: ThaDollaGenerale
you do realize autocannons are the high-damage close range projectile turret right?
High damage compared to artillery, yes, high damage compared to other race's weapons, no. Both ACs and Artillery sport the lowest DPS of all weapon systems (in their respective "ranges").
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Boz Well
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Posted - 2008.07.18 00:23:00 -
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Originally by: Abzadrael
Which of the T1 frigates is the best "close range" combat ship? I was originally going to skill for a Rifter, but after realizing that the damage bonus is to projectile turrets I figured I wouldn't bother.
I'd imagine it would be Gallente, but the Tristran seems too slow and the Incursus seems like it dosent have the slots to power a combat ship.
Rifter is an excellent ship. It's up close and personal, but it's not the top DPS frigate. Still, there's more to PVP than raw dps.
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touchvill
The Pikey Rebellion II
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Posted - 2008.07.18 01:57:00 -
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Kestrel 4tw!
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Karille
Gallente
Lordless
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Posted - 2008.07.18 02:24:00 -
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Incursus
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Ayden Pride
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Posted - 2008.07.21 18:59:00 -
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in terms of t1 frigates I'd say the Tristan is probbally in the hands of an expierenced pilot (pvp/ships not sp) the Tristan can deal out some nice dps while maintaining decent tank... Put 3 blasters n 2 launchers (rockets) gives it the power to 1vs1 almost any t1 frig and win, hands down.
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Spectre3353
Gallente
The Python Cartel
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Posted - 2008.07.21 19:08:00 -
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For a low SP pilot, the Incursus can dish out some serious pain. Get your Gallente Frig skill at least to IV and get some T2 small blasters w/ faction antimatter and you will be doing some serious DPS for a T1 frig. The downside is that a lack of low slots makes you a glass cannon and one trick pony.
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Haradgrim
Tyrell Corp
INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.07.21 20:51:00 -
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Go with a rocket kestrel, with t2 rocket launchers and faction rockets it does an absurd amount of damage for the cpu/PG usage
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Relliassa
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Posted - 2008.07.21 21:15:00 -
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I'd recommend the Kestrel. I use one as a support damage ship working with a tackler friend in a Rifter, with this setup:
Highs:
4x Rocket launcher with thorns
Meds:
1x MWD
2x Small shield extender (replace with web/scramble if needed)
Lows:
2x BCU
Puts out enough damage with tech 1 ammo to absolutely shred his ship, and more or less anything else we've come across and doesn't need to worry about tracking.
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Reem Fairchild
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.07.21 21:16:00 -
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Edited by: Reem Fairchild on 21/07/2008 21:16:27
Rifter can go above 100 dps with ease, which is quite reasonable for a frigate. The Kestrel has better dps if you just fit for the highest damage, but if you're actually going to have working pvp fits on both of them, then the Rifter (in a close range combat role) is better in almost every way.
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Ka Jolo
Ministry of Destruction
Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.21 21:53:00 -
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Originally by: Abzadrael
Which of the T1 frigates is the best "close range" combat ship?
Incursus, with 3x T2 Ion blasters and 200mm plate in the lows for buffer HP. Can get up to 150 DPS within 3km range.
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I SoStoned
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Posted - 2008.07.21 23:24:00 -
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There are a lot of frigs that work well solo at close range (rifter, incursus, tristan, punisher!)
For a wider attack range against frigates (assuming T1 targets primarily) you really can't beat a Kestrel. With good skills it can lob rockets 20+km, even though it moves only slightly faster than a torp raven, and it can sport a heavy passive tank. It can certainly out-dps a T1 frig using range (art/rail/beam) within that 20km envelope.
Its one glaring weakness is shallow cap making a 20km disruptor difficult to run for a protracted fight. In a frig gang it can hardly warp out of a sandwitch bag making everyone wait for it to catch up, but once the fight is on the kessie is very versatile esp since it can dictate its damage type.
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Reginvalt
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Posted - 2008.07.22 06:27:00 -
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Edited by: Reginvalt on 22/07/2008 06:34:26
Best T1 frigate is rifter. Good DPS, tank, speed.
Best T1 frigate tank - punisher. 5.5-7.5k eff HP allow other T1 frigates either flee or die. But it lacks speed.
Close-range Incursus has bad tank, Tristan is too slow and is easily killed by T2 rifter with barrage\punisher with its omgtank, kessie is good as DD in gank or (properly fitted) as a bait for ceptors.
But last 3 frigs are less soloable and universal.
Sorry for my english -)
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
NIght's Dawn
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Posted - 2008.07.22 08:41:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Branko on 22/07/2008 08:42:42
Try neutron blaster punisher for giggles, unlike gallente frigs it actually has the grid to support them 
But, seriously now, the Rifter is the best all-around PvP T1 frigate, due to a favourable mix of range, mobility and tank, plus good mid/low configuration. It's very solo-capable and provides a wide range of targets for a frigate (some interceptors/some AFs/some cruisers/all T1 frigates).
The Incursus lacks a low (although it can be nasty), the Punisher lacks a mid and mobility (although it can both outtank and outgank you), the Tristan lacks fittings (for a high-damage setup anyway) and mobility. I don't know about the Merlin/Kestrel, although I suspect you could make a mean machine out of a Merlin if it has fittings for it (Gallente/Caldari T1 frigs would be much more powerful if they had fitting space; the only T1 frig which can use neutron blasters easily is the Punisher actually ).
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Wil Smithx
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Posted - 2008.07.22 09:29:00 -
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Despite being a predominantly gallente pilot I've always tended to fly the rifter over the tristan but haivng seen my dueling rifter mauled by a neut sporting active tanking tristan, I've started looking at the tristan again for its ability to field so much dps.
Without EFT (or eve atm) since I'm at work but its something I plan to look at more when I get back. As a side note, what kind of damage is a tristan reasonably capable of, still sporting a hp buffer/tank. Preferably with a mwd. (pls use all level 5 skills, don't mean to brag but well... I been playin' a while)
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Reem Fairchild
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.07.22 09:52:00 -
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Originally by: Wil Smithx
Despite being a predominantly gallente pilot I've always tended to fly the rifter over the tristan but haivng seen my dueling rifter mauled by a neut sporting active tanking tristan, I've started looking at the tristan again for its ability to field so much dps.
Without EFT (or eve atm) since I'm at work but its something I plan to look at more when I get back. As a side note, what kind of damage is a tristan reasonably capable of, still sporting a hp buffer/tank. Preferably with a mwd. (pls use all level 5 skills, don't mean to brag but well... I been playin' a while)
140 with ion blasters, rocket launchers, faction ammo and 1 MFS. 160 with 2 MFS.
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Wil Smithx
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Posted - 2008.07.22 10:19:00 -
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Originally by: Reem Fairchild
Originally by: Wil Smithx
Despite being a predominantly gallente pilot I've always tended to fly the rifter over the tristan but haivng seen my dueling rifter mauled by a neut sporting active tanking tristan, I've started looking at the tristan again for its ability to field so much dps.
Without EFT (or eve atm) since I'm at work but its something I plan to look at more when I get back. As a side note, what kind of damage is a tristan reasonably capable of, still sporting a hp buffer/tank. Preferably with a mwd. (pls use all level 5 skills, don't mean to brag but well... I been playin' a while)
140 with ion blasters, rocket launchers, faction ammo and 1 MFS. 160 with 2 MFS.
Hmm not brilliant, but still painful with overload. and that is only ion blasters, though can't really know if its got the grid for neutrons till I get home and check against my personal standards of a tank lol
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mama guru
Gallente
Celestial Apocalypse
The Requiem
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Posted - 2008.07.22 10:24:00 -
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Originally by: AstroPhobic
High damage compared to artillery, yes, high damage compared to other race's weapons, no. Both ACs and Artillery sport the lowest DPS of all weapon systems (in their respective "ranges").
But the best cap efficiency and damage type variety of turret type.
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Wil Smithx
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Posted - 2008.07.22 10:31:00 -
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Originally by: mama guru
Originally by: AstroPhobic
High damage compared to artillery, yes, high damage compared to other race's weapons, no. Both ACs and Artillery sport the lowest DPS of all weapon systems (in their respective "ranges").
But the best cap efficiency and damage type variety of turret type.
Very true a passive shield (med extendered) rifter is virully capless cept for the mwd/ab
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Daftex Muleson
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.07.22 10:48:00 -
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Edited by: Daftex Muleson on 22/07/2008 10:49:07
Love the passive Rifter...
[Rifter, Passive]
Power Diagnostic System II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters
Small Shield Extender II
Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
'Limos' Rocket Launcher I, Gremlin Rocket
200mm AutoCannon II, EMP S
200mm AutoCannon II, EMP S
200mm AutoCannon II, EMP S
[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]
Excellent low sec ratter setup. Couldn't give a monkeys if the rat's use nos as even if I lose the AB, the guns keep firing 
Not much use in PvP of course because of the lack of scram/web.
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Wil Smithx
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Posted - 2008.07.22 11:02:00 -
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Originally by: Daftex Muleson
Edited by: Daftex Muleson on 22/07/2008 10:49:07
Love the passive Rifter...
[Rifter, Passive]
Power Diagnostic System II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters
Small Shield Extender II
Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
'Limos' Rocket Launcher I, Gremlin Rocket
200mm AutoCannon II, EMP S
200mm AutoCannon II, EMP S
200mm AutoCannon II, EMP S
[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]
Excellent low sec ratter setup. Couldn't give a monkeys if the rat's use nos as even if I lose the AB, the guns keep firing
Not much use in PvP of course because of the lack of scram/web.
I wouldn't say its bad in pvp... So long as your not solo, could comfortably have a mwd slasher with you or something
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Artemis Rose
Eleckrostatik
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Posted - 2008.07.22 11:11:00 -
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Rifter is the best T1 frigate all the way. Just has the best overall mix of speed, HP and power.
I've only lost to other Rifters, in terms of t1 frigates. For the Gallente OMGRawr DPS frigates, if I use faction ammo and overheat, they will melt long before I do. Realistically, they will never launch that drone fast enough (which gives them the higher DPS number). EFT can't account for everything.
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Wil Smithx
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Posted - 2008.07.22 11:58:00 -
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Originally by: Artemis Rose
Rifter is the best T1 frigate all the way. Just has the best overall mix of speed, HP and power.
I've only lost to other Rifters, in terms of t1 frigates. For the Gallente OMGRawr DPS frigates, if I use faction ammo and overheat, they will melt long before I do. Realistically, they will never launch that drone fast enough (which gives them the higher DPS number). EFT can't account for everything.
launching a drone isnt hard....
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Vadim eM
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Posted - 2008.07.22 12:19:00 -
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Originally by: Artemis Rose
Rifter is the best T1 frigate all the way. Just has the best overall mix of speed, HP and power.
I've only lost to other Rifters, in terms of t1 frigates. For the Gallente OMGRawr DPS frigates, if I use faction ammo and overheat, they will melt long before I do.
Barrage is the best against blasters. I use 5-6 km orbit with it.
btw EFT shows that Fusion and Barrage is better than EMP pvping against armortanked frigs. It also shows that Hail S is useless, cos it has problems with shields.
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safasfsd
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Posted - 2008.09.12 03:15:00 -
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Edited by: safasfsd on 12/09/2008 03:22:30
actually there are a few tristan builds that can take out a 200mm plated rifter with auto cannons:
here are a few examples,
[Tristan, Tough nut tristan pirate(multirole ship)]
Damage Control II
Small 'Accommodation' Vestment Reconstructer I
100mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
Faint Epsilon Warp Prohibitor I
Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters
Light Electron Blaster II
Light Electron Blaster II
E5 Prototype Energy Vampire
Small 'Knave' I Energy Drain
Empty
Empty
Hobgoblin II
Basically this setup outtanks the rifter as you will be faster than him in the 6-5km range. He won't be able to keep his AB up and but you can AB to him and still run your repper at a 44% cap(28 sustained def)
This setup runs at 100 DPS EFHP 3.4k
[Tristan, Tristan: t1 assualt frigate(UPDATED! with MWD)]
Small 'Accommodation' Vestment Reconstructer I
Damage Control II
200mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
Faint Epsilon Warp Prohibitor I
Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters
Light Electron Blaster II
Light Electron Blaster II
Rocket Launcher II
Rocket Launcher II
Empty
Empty
Empty
Hobgoblin II
Ok if you see a rifter with this setup the MWD into his face and rip him a new one. You have 1300 more effective HP, 1000 m/s more speed if he is running an ab/200mm AC/200mm plate/gyrostab. You will also have more DPS than him.
DPS 134(with DCU II EFHP 4k)
DPS 153(with MFS II EFHP 2.9k)
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Twacey
Minmatar
Scoopex
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Posted - 2008.09.12 03:40:00 -
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The Rifter is by far the best T1 Frigate in the game in my opinion. Your weapons use exactly 0 cap, unless you add a rocket launcher, in which case it's just a little higher. You can usually perma-run an AB with almost no SP investment, and with a little SP investment, get close to perma-running an MWD. With T2 AC's its damage is ridiculous.
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