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Arcon Telf
Gallente
Dark Tide Rising
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2008.07.18 07:04:00 -
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Awesome.
Go see it. Now.
I'm not kidding. Do it now.
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knifee
Caldari
Euphoria Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2008.07.18 08:00:00 -
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I have tickets to see it at the Imax in Birmingham(uk) 
but not until next week 
eve-dev - making a good thing better
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Robert Rosenberg
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.07.18 09:04:00 -
[3]
Not seen it yet but honestly I think that it looks pretty bad... I do not like this new imagining of Batman at all.
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DeadRow
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.07.18 09:22:00 -
[4]
Doesn't come out till the 23rd here 
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Iz in ur base, implanting ur dudes
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Andrew shi'tra
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Posted - 2008.07.18 09:23:00 -
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Originally by: knifee
I have tickets to see it at the Imax in Birmingham(uk)
but not until next week
IMAX?
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jarack
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.07.18 10:20:00 -
[6]
na anananaanananana anananananananaa BATMAN!!!!!
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The Wicked1
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Posted - 2008.07.18 11:13:00 -
[7]
Originally by: Robert Rosenberg
Not seen it yet but honestly I think that it looks pretty bad... I do not like this new imagining of Batman at all.
How is this a new imagining of Batman? He has always been rather a dark figure, except for that time when he became a ridicolous character in a spandex suit, sometime in the 70's (The old Batman movies  ). The Joker is finally going back to his roots since he was a pshycotic serial killer in the first comics rather than the funny always laughing joker we recongnize from "Batman" where Jack Nicholson played him. But I haven't seen the movie, and I'm not comic expert.
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Frankinator
E-Thugz
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Posted - 2008.07.18 12:54:00 -
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Originally by: Robert Rosenberg
Not seen it yet but honestly I think that it looks pretty bad... I do not like this new imagining of Batman at all.
Right, and Im sure your favorite style of Batman was the horrible renditions with George Clooney? Or maybe it was the rendition with Val Kilmer?
This Batman is gonna be the shit!
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Vladimir Ilych
Gradient
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.07.18 14:30:00 -
[9]
Edited by: Vladimir Ilych on 18/07/2008 14:32:20
Booked for Odeon Leicester Square, London on the 27th. I am so looking forward to it.
Batman Begins was the best of all of the Batman movies by a mile and this one looks to better it.
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Slade Trillgon
Siorai Iontach
Brotherhood of the Spider
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Posted - 2008.07.18 14:47:00 -
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Originally by: Robert Rosenberg
Not seen it yet but honestly I think that it looks pretty bad... I do not like this new imagining of Batman at all.
You have the right to your opinion, but this is the way Batman is supposed to be. Vigilanties are typically dark, antisocial, and sociopaths with a sembalance of self-control  not a Sunday morning comic toon.
Slade
"I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self" |
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Constantinee
Caldari
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2008.07.18 19:08:00 -
[11]
Saw it at the premier at12 AM at my local cinema.
I loved it and all i can say is the pencil scene sent chills up my spine.
great movie going to see it in imax today
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente
Buffalo Soldiers
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Posted - 2008.07.18 19:24:00 -
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I don't understand the comics-to-movie fetish. They almost always get it wrong, according to comic fans and movie fans. The source material is not so important or influential as to deserve multiple treatments like this. Comics are just entertainment, and movies made from them are usually bad entertainment. Yet the studios keep cranking them out, even to the point of re-doing Hulk. ****ing Hulk, a joke of a hero if there ever was one. They can make the most amazing Hulk or Batman movie ever, but it isn't going to erase the TV series starring Bill Bixby and Adam West. It just isn't.
And I'm only saying that because the efforts to make the perfect comic book movie appear to me to be attempts at exorcism!
-- The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then --
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Amberly Coteaz
Amarr
The Black Rabbits
The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2008.07.19 07:34:00 -
[13]
Originally by: knifee
I have tickets to see it at the Imax in Birmingham(uk)
but not until next week
Ditto
If you find yourself in a fair fight, something has gone wrong
Originally by: Patch86
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Thorliaron
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.07.19 11:17:00 -
[14]
Originally by: Guillame Herschel
I don't understand the comics-to-movie fetish. They almost always get it wrong, according to comic fans and movie fans. The source material is not so important or influential as to deserve multiple treatments like this. Comics are just entertainment, and movies made from them are usually bad entertainment. Yet the studios keep cranking them out, even to the point of re-doing Hulk. ****ing Hulk, a joke of a hero if there ever was one. They can make the most amazing Hulk or Batman movie ever, but it isn't going to erase the TV series starring Bill Bixby and Adam West. It just isn't.
And I'm only saying that because the efforts to make the perfect comic book movie appear to me to be attempts at exorcism!
that some sort of inner Comic nerd rage unleashed there, Batam Begins, Spiderman where both great
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.07.19 11:30:00 -
[15]
The Joker in this one freaks me out 
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P'uck
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Posted - 2008.07.19 12:01:00 -
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everybody says the new ones are better... but i really liked part 1 and 3...
i mean.... jack nicholson.... jim carrey.... tommy lee jones... the artist formerly known as the artist formerly known as prince....
what more could we ask for?
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Victor Valka
Caldari
Kissaki Corporation
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Posted - 2008.07.19 14:07:00 -
[17]
Originally by: Rawr Cristina
The Joker in this one freaks me out
He damn well should! That's the whole point of the Joker! 
Originally by: Roxanna Kell
You are insane.
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Pinnick
Minmatar
First Flying Wing Inc
The Red Skull
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Posted - 2008.07.19 15:28:00 -
[18]
Batman Begins is the best Batman and personally one of my fav movies of all time... I can't wait to see this one.
Hopefully tomorrow.. then IMAX next week!
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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2008.07.19 15:34:00 -
[19]
All theaters in my area and for about 20 miles in every direction are sold out for the weekend....
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To borrow a phrase:
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Zyck
Dkiller Delta Force Corp.
CORPVS DELICTI
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Posted - 2008.07.20 04:17:00 -
[20]
Just saw it. Incredible movie.
Usually when movies get this much hype, they can't live up to it. This one did.
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Terianna Eri
Amarr
Terianna Eri Corp
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Posted - 2008.07.20 05:26:00 -
[21]
Originally by: Slade Trillgon
Originally by: Robert Rosenberg
Not seen it yet but honestly I think that it looks pretty bad... I do not like this new imagining of Batman at all.
You have the right to your opinion, but this is the way Batman is supposed to be. Vigilanties are typically dark, antisocial, and sociopaths with a sembalance of self-control not a Sunday morning comic toon.
Slade
I'm sorry, but there can be only one true batman.
I'm serious; the 60's Batman was the best. I still love them.
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Originally by: Arthur Frayn
How much to ruin all your holes, luv?
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DubanFP
Caldari
Four Rings
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Posted - 2008.07.20 05:37:00 -
[22]
Originally by: Terianna Eri
I'm serious; the 60's Batman was the best. I still love them.
WTF are you smoking? I never managed to sit through the whole original movie but that shit was @#$#ed up. At one point a torpedo was headed strait for the tied up batman/robin, you see an explosion, and batman announces how the sea manitee gave it's life for them. I mean wtf? Oh and shark repellant, seriously? Then of course batman couldn't throw a bomb into the ocean where there were ducks swimming. He had to find a ledge where there were no ducks  .
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Nomakai Delateriel
Amarr
Shadow Company
Souls of Vengeance
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Posted - 2008.07.20 09:12:00 -
[23]
Originally by: Slade Trillgon
Originally by: Robert Rosenberg
Not seen it yet but honestly I think that it looks pretty bad... I do not like this new imagining of Batman at all.
You have the right to your opinion, but this is the way Batman is supposed to be. Vigilanties are typically dark, antisocial, and sociopaths with a sembalance of self-control not a Sunday morning comic toon.
Well, they showed the animated batman as a morning cartoon over here... And for a morning cartoon Batman is pretty f-ing dark.
In any case. Personally I enjoy the various different interpretations of Batman. The tv-series from the 60s is incredibly cheesy and enjoyable. A defining example of "So bad it's good".
The Michael Keaton batman movies were nice too (Michelle Pfeiffer in skin-tight latex helped too), and I really liked Batman Begins.
Looking forward to watching The Dark Knight. Given the fact that it's gotten rave reviews and the comments from everyone I know that watched it has been "It's better than the hype" I don't see how I could not enjoy watching it.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2008.07.20 16:45:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 20/07/2008 16:46:09
Insane IMDB rating as well, its number #1 on the all time list.
Clicky
So this movie is supposed to be better than every other movie known to man? I doubt it. Its a superhero movie ffs... entertaining Im sure, but hardly better than the movies that make you feel something real.
Oh well, I will give it a try when it comes around here.
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Can you nano Titans?
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Rebal 88
Minmatar
Infernal Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.07.20 17:16:00 -
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It radiates awesome throughout its entirety. Go see it now.
I may see it a second time today.
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Sallah Hernandes
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Posted - 2008.07.21 01:10:00 -
[26]
Dirty Action
Belfast Imax closed for renovations ...
If we had brains we'd be dangerous
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Terianna Eri
Amarr
Terianna Eri Corp
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Posted - 2008.07.21 03:22:00 -
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Originally by: DubanFP
Originally by: Terianna Eri
I'm serious; the 60's Batman was the best. I still love them.
WTF are you smoking? I never managed to sit through the whole original movie but that shit was @#$#ed up. At one point a torpedo was headed strait for the tied up batman/robin, you see an explosion, and batman announces how the sea manitee gave it's life for them. I mean wtf? Oh and shark repellant, seriously? Then of course batman couldn't throw a bomb into the ocean where there were ducks swimming. He had to find a ledge where there were no ducks .
Well yes, I love it *because* it's campy and ridiculous 
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Originally by: Arthur Frayn
How much to ruin all your holes, luv?
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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.07.21 03:58:00 -
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I am wondering something, we saw joker scarecrow and harvey.... I wonder what villain we will see next?
I really REALLY hope its not penguin.
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Vanyssa
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Posted - 2008.07.21 04:04:00 -
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Loved the movie! Pencil trick will go down as one of the most memorable scenes in movie history (and it's a very, very short scene). But ever scene with the Joker is just awesome. One of the coolest things about the Joker in this movie is that he's so unpredictable - unless you were counting on it. (that hurt my brain)
Anyways, some thoughts...
Next Batman Movie Villian: Who? Don't know. The Joker is gone (and I really hope he is, I would be offended if anyone try to rip heath's role - i feel it's his forever). I've been hearing rumors about the Riddler. I really don't want to see him in the next one. I don't think he's cool. I don't think he would fit in well in the new Gotham world. They would have to reinvent him. Now that would be cool. But if I see a villian with question marks all over his clothes, it's not going to go well on me.
What I want to see is a female character now take her turn in getting her mind twisted. Anyways, I'm just here waiting to pass out.. must. sleep... soon.
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Nomakai Delateriel
Amarr
Shadow Company
Souls of Vengeance
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Posted - 2008.07.21 06:53:00 -
[30]
Originally by: Vanyssa
Next Batman Movie Villian: Who? Don't know. The Joker is gone (and I really hope he is, I would be offended if anyone try to rip heath's role - i feel it's his forever). I've been hearing rumors about the Riddler. I really don't want to see him in the next one. I don't think he's cool. I don't think he would fit in well in the new Gotham world. They would have to reinvent him. Now that would be cool. But if I see a villian with question marks all over his clothes, it's not going to go well on me.
What I want to see is a female character now take her turn in getting her mind twisted. Anyways, I'm just here waiting to pass out.. must. sleep... soon.
Don't forget Ra's al Ghul on the list of villains that have gotten the new treatment.
In any case. Catwoman and Poison Ivy would be interesting, but what I'm really looking forward to is Bane.
Batman&Robin was a horrible disservice to the character, treating him as a jacked up mindless thug.
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Calvin Firenze
Minmatar
Thanos and Killjoy Productions
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Posted - 2008.07.21 10:43:00 -
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It wouldn't be as popular if Heath Ledger were still alive.
No I haven't seen the movie. I'm waiting for the ******s to stop crowding the goddamn theatre.
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Jerald Lutney
Gallente
Solarforge Manufacturing
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Posted - 2008.07.21 21:51:00 -
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Haven't seen it yet, investigating a time frame in which to do so.
Things I am given to understand by people who love the movie and the comics:
1) Heath Ledger will join the elite (?) ranks of actors who get an Oscar after their demise.
2) For villains, a female opponent would be good, however if there is one I would like to see, it would not be Selena nor Ivy. I DEMAND to see Harley Quinn, since she was not featured in Dark Knight.
3) First six minutes are insane.
4) long movie is long.
Solarforge Manufacturing
Making T2 Invention easier than IKEA assembly! |
Gary Webb
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Posted - 2008.07.22 00:22:00 -
[33]
Mad Hatter ftw
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Robert Rosenberg
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.07.22 00:31:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Frankinator
Originally by: Robert Rosenberg
Not seen it yet but honestly I think that it looks pretty bad... I do not like this new imagining of Batman at all.
Right, and Im sure your favorite style of Batman was the horrible renditions with George Clooney? Or maybe it was the rendition with Val Kilmer?
This Batman is gonna be the shit!
Michael Keaton was good, but my favourite imagining was The Animated Series. It had just the right mix of everything.
This Batman has a murderer playing Batman, a sociopathic arch-criminal joker, and the first movie had a really poor version of Ras Al-Gool(sp?) in it.
When Joker says "Do I look like a man with a plan?" to Two-Face, all I could think of was "yes, yes you do" because he had had a total master plan the whole movie. His actions were always methodical and precise, and he seemed to kill for the sake of it. Joker is a psychopath, not a sociopath.
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Hoban Gallifrey
New Eden University
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Posted - 2008.07.22 01:13:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Robert Rosenberg
Originally by: Frankinator
Originally by: Robert Rosenberg
Not seen it yet but honestly I think that it looks pretty bad... I do not like this new imagining of Batman at all.
Right, and Im sure your favorite style of Batman was the horrible renditions with George Clooney? Or maybe it was the rendition with Val Kilmer?
This Batman is gonna be the shit!
Michael Keaton was good, but my favourite imagining was The Animated Series. It had just the right mix of everything.
This Batman has a murderer playing Batman, a sociopathic arch-criminal joker, and the first movie had a really poor version of Ras Al-Gool(sp?) in it.
When Joker says "Do I look like a man with a plan?" to Two-Face, all I could think of was "yes, yes you do" because he had had a total master plan the whole movie. His actions were always methodical and precise, and he seemed to kill for the sake of it. Joker is a psychopath, not a sociopath.
You need to read more comics...
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HankMurphy
Minmatar
Pelennor Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.07.22 07:35:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Arcon Telf
Awesome.
Go see it. Now.
I'm not kidding. Do it now.
QFT
holy ****
this was one great movie. by far the best rendition of batman in a movie ever, and on top of that somehow they managed to top the last one they made
(huge fan of the various comics and the animated series and 'some' of the movies)
Originally by: Robert Rosenberg
This Batman has a murderer playing Batman, a sociopathic arch-criminal joker, and the first movie had a really poor version of Ras Al-Gool(sp?) in it.
1) batman a murderer? either you haven't paid much attention or your just rambling w/o any idea what you are talking about
2) joker is both a sociopath, a psycopath, and a few other 'paths' all rolled together 
with a franchise like this that is generations old and has had MANY different ppl tell and alter the story, it really depends on the interpretation of the character. in the caase of the joker, i was shocked at how well heath ledger did. no one ever did a joker like that and i don't think anyone could again. he made it his own to be sure
yeah, on second thought, you have no clue what you are talking about. one of those whiny ppl that aren't really pleased by anything because you tend to be overly nostalgic and remember everything from your idealistic past a bit better than they probably were. it's how you subconsciously justify the bitter surrounds you face as an adult. or, as my favorite comedian would have put it: ôScratch any cynic, and youÆll find a disappointed idealist.ö
WHAM! that will teach you to rip on this movie, dont do it again!
IT WAS ****ing AWSOME
everyone go see it now
go
see
it
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fairimear
Gallente
S.A.S
Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service
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Posted - 2008.07.24 18:18:00 -
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Edited by: fairimear on 24/07/2008 18:26:29
SPOILER
Best movie I've seen this year.
Such a good movie deserves me to actually find a flaw.
and i found 2:
1. If you are to believe he loved her that much he would never have gone to Dent.
I don't care for any argument a bout justifying it the fact is that every other event in the film suggested he would never have made that choice.
The very fact he wanted Dent to take the mantel of hero was because of her.
And the only reason he ended up needing the batman persona is in fact because of her death.
2. Dent was so very very well developed from hero to monster its a crying shame he probably wont be getting a sequel to show how far he could of descended into the depths of how a human becomes a monster.
The joker is a warped persona. No longer a human and more a monster that like the film says wants society to burn.
True Evil some would say.
Dent is a monster born of tragedy and as such would have had reason and limits. But would of been a interesting villain in contrast to the joker. Ledgers Death has nearly most certainly doomed that.
But i would of really liked to see in the end of a sequel the joker coming to relies what he made in two face is a monster that would even surpass his actions.
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Daziel Iaar
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.24 19:14:00 -
[38]
Spoilers
Got to say it was a great movie, i would of actully preferred them killing off the joker and saving two face instead, anyone who tries to take on the role of the joker will never live up to ledgers version and i really liked how two face came into being.
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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.07.24 19:22:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Calvin Firenze
It wouldn't be as popular if Heath Ledger were still alive.
No I haven't seen the movie. I'm waiting for the ******s to stop crowding the goddamn theatre.
Before watching the movie I had no idea he was dead, I still thought his performance was awesome and he fit joker perfectly.
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Shadow Goon
Caldari
Borg Collective hive mind
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Posted - 2008.07.24 19:31:00 -
[40]
just download it, its out on torrents.
pretty good moive.
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Tarminic
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.07.24 19:39:00 -
[41]
Originally by: fairimear
Edited by: fairimear on 24/07/2008 18:26:29
SPOILER
Best movie I've seen this year.
Such a good movie deserves me to actually find a flaw.
and i found 2:
1. If you are to believe he loved her that much he would never have gone to Dent.
I don't care for any argument a bout justifying it the fact is that every other event in the film suggested he would never have made that choice.
The very fact he wanted Dent to take the mantel of hero was because of her.
And the only reason he ended up needing the batman persona is in fact because of her death.
Dude, did you miss the part were Joker told them the wrong places to go? 
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Arcon Telf
Gallente
Dark Tide Rising
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2008.07.24 19:50:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Tarminic
Dude, did you miss the part were Joker told them the wrong places to go?
This. -------^
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Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
Terradyne Networks
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Posted - 2008.07.24 22:32:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Calvin Firenze
It wouldn't be as popular if Heath Ledger were still alive.
I seriously doubt that considering how long we were talking about the film in OOPE. Then of course you've got your fanclub websites, Social network group forums, hollywood updates.......
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Robert Rosenberg
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.07.24 23:23:00 -
[44]
Edited by: Robert Rosenberg on 24/07/2008 23:24:08
SOPILERS FROM THE FIRST MOVIE AHEAD, this is in response to the "batman is not a murderer" comments.
In the first movie Batman is holding Ras Al-Ghoul (mispelled) in the train car, and he drops him and lets him die. In this one, he grabs joker.
Also, in the first movie he goes with the gun to kill his parents' murderer. The only reason he does not kill him is because his girlfriend shows up. So basically the Christian Bale Batman is just as bad as the criminals.
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Zyck
Dkiller Delta Force Corp.
CORPVS DELICTI
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Posted - 2008.07.24 23:34:00 -
[45]
Edited by: Zyck on 24/07/2008 23:34:20
***SPOILERS***
Originally by: Robert Rosenberg
Edited by: Robert Rosenberg on 24/07/2008 23:24:08
SOPILERS FROM THE FIRST MOVIE AHEAD, this is in response to the "batman is not a murderer" comments.
In the first movie Batman is holding Ras Al-Ghoul (mispelled) in the train car, and he drops him and lets him die. In this one, he grabs joker.
Also, in the first movie he goes with the gun to kill his parents' murderer. The only reason he does not kill him is because his girlfriend shows up. So basically the Christian Bale Batman is just as bad as the criminals.
You seem to be completely missing the point of these movies. It's not meant to be a goody-goody spiderman happy movie. The whole point is that batman is a conflicted and troubled character who often has to stop himself crom crossing "the line." He's not meant to be some perfect idealist in a world of black and white where every choice and situation is obvious.
You also got the first movie wrong. His not killing the criminal is because someone working for the mob killed him first, the scene with Rachel is later. That's also before he becomes Batman or has any training, he's just out of college at that point.
He also never held Ras. He did what he needed to do to ensure the train never made it to the central building, and left. He didn't exactly tie Ras to the train, he simply didn't rescue him.
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Robert Rosenberg
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.07.24 23:45:00 -
[46]
Edited by: Robert Rosenberg on 24/07/2008 23:50:45
Edited by: Robert Rosenberg on 24/07/2008 23:45:04
So let me get this straight, you think that the Batman character is supposed to be "The Punisher" except without guns?
EDIT: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UH4ivETz32c (at 4 minutes in the fight takes place). You are right I slightly mis-remembered the ending, however knocking him to the ground, then de-railing the train and leaving him in it as he careens into a giant fireball explosion finale...
If this were an FPS he would have been credited with the kill, and that pretty much is not batman. He NEVER leaves a man to die, it is what separates him from the criminals and he is not "conflicted" about crossing that line ever. The ONLY time he EVER even CONSIDERED killing someone was Black Mask in Wargames.
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Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
Terradyne Networks
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Posted - 2008.07.24 23:55:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Robert Rosenberg
Edited by: Robert Rosenberg on 24/07/2008 23:24:08
SOPILERS FROM THE FIRST MOVIE AHEAD, this is in response to the "batman is not a murderer" comments.
In the first movie Batman is holding Ras Al-Ghoul (mispelled) in the train car, and he drops him and lets him die. In this one, he grabs joker.
Also, in the first movie he goes with the gun to kill his parents' murderer. The only reason he does not kill him is because his girlfriend shows up. So basically the Christian Bale Batman is just as bad as the criminals.
Lets get a hearing of what he says on the train folks:
"I can't kill you, but I don't have to save you either..."
I would also like to go to earlier in the movie where he's asked to kill some random guy accused of murdering. What does he do? Doesn't kill the random man, destroys the building, and saves raz's life.
And the gun scene is before he becomes batman as stated.
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Robert Rosenberg
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.07.24 23:57:00 -
[48]
Edited by: Robert Rosenberg on 24/07/2008 23:57:00
I guess if I shoot a guy and then he bleeds out on his own I did not murder him, I just decided not to save his life by applying first aid, is what you are saying?
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Zyck
Dkiller Delta Force Corp.
CORPVS DELICTI
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Posted - 2008.07.25 00:02:00 -
[49]
Not a good analogy.
It would be more akin to finding someone who'd been shot and doing nothing. It's certainlly possibly to argue the morality of it, but you didn't kill the guy. Batman didn't force Ras on to the train with the purpose of having him die in a fireball.
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Robert Rosenberg
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.07.25 00:04:00 -
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Edited by: Robert Rosenberg on 25/07/2008 00:05:22
Originally by: Zyck
Not a good analogy.
It would be more akin to finding someone who'd been shot and doing nothing. It's certainlly possibly to argue the morality of it, but you didn't kill the guy. Batman didn't force Ras on to the train with the purpose of having him die in a fireball.
But he created the fireball circumstances. It is more akin to batman lighting a house on fire and then locking a guy inside of it. Yeah the fire killed him but whose fault was it?
And CLEARLY the character is capable of murder, and even plotted to execute his parents' killer. He had his finger on the trigger when the mob hitman took care of him first.
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Zyck
Dkiller Delta Force Corp.
CORPVS DELICTI
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Posted - 2008.07.25 00:06:00 -
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I feel like this isn't going to end. But I'm having fun, so...
It's more like Batman lighting a house on fire that housed a weapon that would blow up half the town. He didn't lock the guy inside, but didn't help him get out, and the guy broke into the house and likely killed those inside anyway.
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Robert Rosenberg
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.07.25 00:08:00 -
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Edited by: Robert Rosenberg on 25/07/2008 00:10:42
Edited by: Robert Rosenberg on 25/07/2008 00:09:21
Originally by: Zyck
I feel like this isn't going to end. But I'm having fun, so...
It's more like Batman lighting a house on fire that housed a weapon that would blow up half the town. He didn't lock the guy inside, but didn't help him get out, and the guy broke into the house and likely killed those inside anyway.
But he did lock Ra's Al'Ghul inside. He boarded the train, separated the lead car, beat the shit out of Ra's, and then derailed the train and jumped to safety while Ra's plummeted to his death.
EDIT: The only argument that can be made in defense of the new movies is "Batman might be a stone-cold amoral killer but hey I always like The Punisher so the more parallels the better." Well, and that the special effects and action sequences are very well done. I liked the actor for two-face and wish they had not rushed his character so much. They did the same thing with Scarecrow and it is turning into a line of villain plot abortions and it makes it feel pretty weak to me.
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Zyck
Dkiller Delta Force Corp.
CORPVS DELICTI
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Posted - 2008.07.25 00:13:00 -
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Originally by: Robert Rosenberg
But he did lock Ra's Al'Ghul inside. He boarded the train, separated the lead car, beat the shit out of Ra's, and then derailed the train and jumped to safety while Ra's plummeted to his death.
EDIT: The only argument that can be made in defense of the new movies is "Batman might be a stone-cold amoral killer but hey I always like The Punisher so the more parallels the better."
He boarded the train to attempt to stop it. The derailing that Gordon did was in case it couldn't be stopped, which turned out to be the case. He had to beat the crap out of Ras in order to try to stop it, but failed. He derailed the car because; A. he had to escape somehow and Ras wasn't going to let him stroll out the door, and B. because it would likely reduce the damage the train would inflict on whatever it hit.
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Robert Rosenberg
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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