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AstroPhobic
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Posted - 2008.07.18 15:50:00 -
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 Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Plave Okice
1600 plate rupture
QFT and tempest is a good low sec solo BS.
Used to be.
Ruppy, and the HIC are the only true answers.
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AstroPhobic
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.07.18 16:08:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Tempest is a good solo BS compared to the others because of agility
It's agility isn't very good.
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speed
Means next to nothing on a BS, but okay
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2 extra high slots for SBs (against ecm drones) and heavy neut (to kill frig tacklers).
Okay, that's useful, but now it's got DPS in the pitiful department.
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It is versitile and that is what you need generally. It is not bad at all for this job.
I might buy that when it could fit med slots with ECM. Highs with nos. It's not agile enough and doesnt have enough range/tracking to act as an anti-support role. It doesn't have the tank or damage to do what other battleships do.
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Sure if you know what youre up against and want to bust a camp vs a stronger force or alike tempest might not be the best choice. But heck, use its strengths.
You're trying to make it sound survivable, but the neut and smartbomb will only get you so far. It will fold once you get a second point, or a heavy point.
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AstroPhobic
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.07.18 17:33:00 -
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Originally by: ColdKut
If you noobs had any training at all in projectiles and Minnie bses you would see another side to the tempest. I know for a fact i can still insta pop a cruiser with proper fittig. Stop going by what empire noob pirates say cause half of em cant pvp anyways. Should start listening to those who still fly the things and have the skillpoints to match. It's already been said minnie ships require the most SP to use effectivly so heres my opinion start training noobs and learn how to play.
I'm sorry my 3 years of flying the tempest, BS 5, Large projectiles 5, and 25m SP dedicated to minmatar ships aren't "enough" for you.
TBH, you have no clue, GTFO.
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AstroPhobic
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.07.18 20:23:00 -
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Originally by: Temugen
This is the truth. I have seen Svet's Tempest in action in many dif places and anyone that has the sp's can fit one to do the same thing.
I recently flew a Muninn as a low sec gate camp ganking ship and it rocks. My fitting could tank sentrys and still do massive damage for a cruiser size ship.
lol..i guess you could say I have witnesses
What im getting at is something that has been said in this thread and many more. If you have the skills and fit it right..you can make just about any ship good for the way you fly it. Solo or fleet.
Have you ever flown an eagle? Zealot? Geddon?
You can say it's good, but you're only able to compare minmatar ships to other minmatar ships. Which means you can't objectively say it's balanced. The numbers don't favor minmatar at all.
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AstroPhobic
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.07.18 21:14:00 -
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Originally by: Cire Knarf
Typhoon
if properly skilled, is one of the if not the best bs class. now bear in mind, this is being said with proper abilities.
I personally run a plated phoon, sporting 425 & siege II's. With the ogre II's and proper high dps ammo, (hail/rage) it pushes around 1066 dps, very similar to either the gank mega or abaddon, and not needing cap to fire well, your dps isn't going to fail to capacitor warfare.
First, this is silly. Hail is simply an awful ammo and rage is even funnier. A realistic fit is barrage/CN torps. A quick look at EFT says I can get 1138 DPS at 4.8km. Not bad, but completely outdone by a mega until your torps don't work. Mega will keep you outdamaged until about 18km or so, where your torps will fly with max skills. After that, you lose about 625 DPS.
Second, a raven can do the same exact thing, only with more DPS and longer range (at a loss of 3k EHP). Plus, it doesn't have to piddle with named mods to get the CPU to work. Both fits include a MWD, painter, and scram. On top of that, the raven has completely changeable damage types (yeah, more than your phoon) to exploit any perceived hole in the target. To top it off with a cherry, the raven requires less SP, has 2 high slots for offlined-smartbomb overloading goodness, and has less damageable (drones) DPS.
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The hurricane is also a great platform. If setup with a 2x mar setup it gets the job done.
Pitiful tank on a double MAR setup, but the hurricane is a good ship, yes.
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The tempest is in reserve for fleet duty, although venturing in a dual rep ac setup is a good time as well. But I would honestly rather have my enemies screaming, "OMG that huge flying trashcan of a phoon is meling my phace!!"
Outdone by all other ships in both fleets and close range setups. Yes, ships look cool, but that's not a balancing point.
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The muninn as well is set to what it does best, arty. I tend to keep these as well to the gate camp or fleet duty.
It's outdone at range, so it's only viable for close range, interceptor popping. Even the hurricane is mighty close at that. If you miss the first volley, you're pretty much useless too.
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I prefer the jag over the wolf for af's. Using a ac jag as mainly a heavy tackler. Especially agaisnt those laZor boats. Arty wolf is right at home at gate camps.
Why are you even talking about AFs? 
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And yes, I played eve as a minmatar only fanboi for about 2 years, so I have a firm grasp on how to handle my scrap metal and duct tape in space.
Oh, I'm well aware. Minmatar was quite good back then. Not anymore.
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AstroPhobic
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.07.18 21:48:00 -
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Originally by: Ms TickleMePink
Astro... since you appear to be suffereing from an emo nerd rage, which is coming from the particular minmatar race in this "EVE Online".... Can I haz your stuffz? 
I'm sorry I like my race, and actually somewhat care about game balance. You seem to not want minmatar to be boosted. Personal agenda?
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AstroPhobic
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.07.19 03:47:00 -
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Originally by: Red Lubricant
Edited by: Red Lubricant on 19/07/2008 02:46:24
/me hands astro a cookie and some hot milk :-P
Mmm. 
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Pest is still one of the most versatile bses ingame- in mix & match gangs (gatecamps/Posspammage with "visitors") it can easily be fitted for just about every task imaginable, is a nightmare for rr gangs + it's cheap.
Well, yeah. Except the utility slots were nerfed, so now you have some sub-par DPS with a sub-par tank, with your choice of RR, Neuts, or a smartie. Nos used to be a good choice, but no longer.
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You really start to aprecciate the Tempests when you have a couple of them sitting among your snipers with hvy neuts to get rid of hictor points and other tacklish stuff (which is the reason why tempests get primared after scorps by many FCs).
I don't know that I've ever seen a sniper pest with neuts. I certainly can't imagine how you'd fit them along with sniper gear and still hit at 150km. Maybe if you sacrifice all your lows. Generally they're primaried for their crap tank.
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cyclone/hurricane are probably the "best" BCs ingame (+ the only BCs somebody actually fits a gangmod on without feeling strange)]
I'd have to disagree. The cyclone is pretty much useless (you can dual LSE the cane for shields), and while the cane is an excellent ship, so is the harbinger, drake, and even brutix.
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Not too sure about the Munin- it's kinda subpar, but only because of all the nano-stuff flying about.
I don't know if this is in reference to the muninn being non nano-able (Yeah, you can't nano a muninn, whoever you were), or having trouble against nano stuff, but it's only strength is popping inties at short range. Where the hurricane can do the same job. AC fit is cool for "versatility" points, but it's nothing but an expensive rupture.
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