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Karlemgne
The Black Fleet
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Posted - 2008.07.18 17:13:00 -
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Edited by: Karlemgne on 18/07/2008 17:14:15
 Originally by: Le Skunk
LOL
CCPs artificially bolstered subscription figures are gonna take a nosedive in aprox 4 days. Thank gawd they are ****ing so much money on adverts eh.
SKUNK
Lmao. I don't know if you know this, SkunkyMcGenius, but every MMO company on the face of the earth has "inflated subcriotion figures." This is because they always count people with multiple paid accounts as seperate individuals.
What the never do, however, is count trial accounts, or non-paying accounts in their key meterics. Which means, incidentally, that the OP isn't being figured into CCPs total subscription numbers, nor is anyone else back in eve for any limited promotion.
He'd only be counted once he either added play time with a GTC or paid the old fashioned way.
Your CCP flaming = epic fail. And one, as always, wonders why you continue to play a game that, through your attitude and actions, you have demonstrated that you clearly loathe.
Cheers,
-Karlemgne
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Karlemgne
The Black Fleet
The Black Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.19 08:11:00 -
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Edited by: Karlemgne on 19/07/2008 08:15:08
Edited by: Karlemgne on 19/07/2008 08:12:03
Originally by: Le Skunk
Edited by: Le Skunk on 18/07/2008 21:43:44
Stuff
The log-in numbers? Are you serious? First of all, as far as I know EVE-online is one of the only, if not THE only MMOs that actually show you how many people are logged on at any given time.
Other games sometimes, tell you what the current server load is. I.e. they say things like "light" and "medium" and "heavy." This is most decidely not "this server now has X players logged on."
Most often with other games you get this information once, when you are choosing a server on character creation, though some games do inform you of the server loads when you log in.
Also, I'd like to point out that log-in numbers are not typically used to justify the success of failure of a game. What is used is key metric numbers, which basically for the sake of discusion here is total number of subscriptions. So when Blizzard is bragging that it has 14 million players (or whatever the number is now days) they are refering to the number of total paid subscriptions, NOT the number of people logged onto WoW at peak game time.
And as far as eve's log-in numbers go, when I started playing eve the number always hovered around 12,000. Now I routinely log-in to 30,000 players. Even at 1am PST (West Coast United States) the number is usually around 19,000... which is a full 7,000 more than I used to see at peak play time. Thus, I find it highly doubious that you're going to try and argue that eve's log-in numbers are, by in-large, false and do not represent (in some way) a growth in the eve-online player base.
I will also take the time to let you know that EVE online is now the 7th largest MMOrpg by market share. This means EVE surpasses, with its 200,000 subscriptions, games like EQ, EQ2, LoTRo, D&D online, etc, etc. This is as of April this year. It would be also fair to point out that the CEO of CCP has just been named by Massively as the 4th most important person in the entire MMO industry. I say this not to toute the "greatness" of eve, but merely to point out that you are a dufas and don't know what you're talking about.
My previous experience in the video game industry means nothing, other than I actually have experience with the industry and game development. It does not make me superior to you, or anyone else, it merely means that I have access to more information than you do about how the industry works, not to mention the current state of the industry.
By-the-by the MMO I once worked on is not a "failed MMO." It is still alive and well and in the top 10 of the largest MMOs by market share. That I choose not to reveal who I worked for by not telling you what game I worked on speaks to my own desire to possibly work in the industry again. You never know who reads this stuff (you'd be surprised) and how that might effect your future. Suffice it to say, I don't currently work in the industry because I've chosen to go to graduate school.
Lastly, but not least, I have been a vocal critic of CCP in the past over a number of issues. Because I poke holes in your uninformed analysis of CCPs business model and game implementation does not mean that I am a "fanboi." Though I do still wonder why a pure "hater" such as yourself would continue to play a game you can't seem to find ANYTHING good to say about.
-Karlemgne
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Karlemgne
The Black Fleet
The Black Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.19 17:39:00 -
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Originally by: Kaar
You fail Skunkie!
Fixed
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Karlemgne
The Black Fleet
The Black Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.20 03:28:00 -
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Originally by: Le Skunk
Originally by: Karlemgne
utter irrelevant fanbios drivle
Right, of course you think its "fanboi" drivel. As long as you call it that, you don't actually have to address any of the points I've made. You are very good at misdirection, but watch how much more successful an argument is when someone actually reads what you've written and responds to you point by point.
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Now once we had got the slight confusion over the use of the word subscription (in this context menaing the amount of people playing eve), the point is accurate.
The point is not "accurate." By saying subscription you are appealing to the total number of people who pay CCP to play, or rather the total number of paid accounts. That number is 200,000 and does not change regardless of how many people are logged onto the server.
You've also said this "I meant the log in server figures that people generally refer to to judge success of the game at any given time."
To me what you seem to be saying is that EVE uses the most logged in "server figures" to judge the "success" of any given game. What is more you also seem to be saying that every, or most, MMO publishers do this as a general rule.
I've already pointed out that this is completely inaccurate. MMO companies rarely even provide more than a "this server has a light, medium, or heavy load" at character creation. I've also already pointed out that usually total subscription numbers are used by the industry to judge the success of a game, but hey we already know you don't actually read what other people post.
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CCP have artificially bolstered the amount of people playing eve by giving out free weeks play.
To get technical they haven't artifically inflated anything. The number of people logged onto server is what is regardless of whether or not someone is utilizing free play time.
Having said that (why am I posting something you won't read) CCP doesn't hand out free acount reactivations to "artificially bolster the amount of people playing EVE."
The principle behind giving free play time to vets is the same as having a free trial. CCP hopes that some of the older players come back because of the free playtime, and then stay because of it. CCP is, afterall, a capitalist entity whose goal is to make money. The idea is that the company raise the total number of subscriptions by getting vets to come back to the game.
Incidentally, SOE just offered me free play time on my station account for two games I used to play--EQ2 and Vangaurd. Guess what? SOE doesn't moniter the total number of players "logged in" to EQ2 and Vangaurd servers.
SOE offered the promotion for the same reason CCP did. They hope that players will come back to the games they used to play.
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They have ****ed a load of money on adverts
Yes, yes they have. Again, they're a business and not your personal video game slaves. They had spent money on marketing to attract new players. Shocker.
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As such, all the crap you are coming out with (which im sure is very exciting to you) about other MMO's (which were never reffered to ) is utterly irrelevant.
Oh, I see. So you are simply saying CCP is doing X for X reasons, but when people point to evidence that would suggest you are wrong--particularly the behavior of other members of the MMO industry which CCP is a part of--its irrelevent. How convinient for you.
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The figures will nosedive when the 14 days are over (as someone pointed out the offer runs for a month) The OP himself and other posters in this thread are basically saying they are not gogin to pay for their recently reactivated accounts (for a variety of reasons)
What figures are you talking about? The total number of people on the server? What do you consider a "nose dive." Define your variables, because it seems perfectly logical the the total number of people who log into a server in a given day is varied.
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Karlemgne
The Black Fleet
The Black Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.20 03:42:00 -
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Edited by: Karlemgne on 20/07/2008 03:53:00
Edited by: Karlemgne on 20/07/2008 03:52:45
Its also perfectly logical that not everyone is going to respond well to an MMO companies promotion. You didn't actually think that CCP thought that ALL of those players would stay, did you? It goes without saying that they expect a small fraction to stay, which still makes them money.
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So take some breaths, nobody cares about your MMO experience or what you are studying or what you had for breakfast. So stop bringing in irrelevant rants.
You seem to care about my experience in the MMO industry, because you were the one who brought it up first in this thread.
I also didn't mention what I studied, nor what I had for breakfast.
Lastly, there is a certain truth to the idea that making a simple appeal to authority doesn't make for a good argument. However, I would have to say that in this case, my experience working on video games, and MMOs in particular is relevant.
Nobody should accept what I say on that alone. However, when you juxtapose what you've said here "CCP is trying to artificially inflate its subscriptions to make it look good by having promotions for former players" with what I've said--given logical and informed data based on my experience in the MMO industry (and stuff I could link if you wanted)--I think my previous work experience is partially relevant.
This sort of reminds me of something like this: someone complains that they're having chest pains, and one guy--a mechanic--says "don't worry, your chest hurts because its raining" and another guy--a doctor--says "you need to go to a hospital, that might be having a heart attack."
Now the mechanic isn't necessarily wrong, and the doctor isn't necessarily right, but if you ask each for clarification on the issue, and the doctor can produce an accurate list of symptoms and shows knowledge of human anatomy, while the mechanic mumbles something about the rain upseting the fluids in your body, you start to trust the doctor more... because he demonstrates a better knowledge regarding what he's talking about, AND because you give weight to his experiences as a doctor and a medical student.
But, troll away, my friend, troll away.
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Karlemgne
The Black Fleet
The Black Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.20 07:53:00 -
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Originally by: Le Skunk
Originally by: Moirae Arachnea
Edited by: Moirae Arachnea on 19/07/2008 10:38:55
Edited by: Moirae Arachnea on 19/07/2008 10:30:34
Originally by: Karlemgne
I do still wonder why a pure "hater" such as yourself would continue to play a game you can't seem to find ANYTHING good to say about.
-Karlemgne
Karlemgne I can answer that for you in one word.
TROLL
People like him are sad miserable pathetic excuses of humanity and perfect examples of why mentally deficient people need to be sterilized so they won't continue to breed and contaminate the gene pool with their handicapped gene patterns. /troll (hehehehe)
Well Im glad that you
 1) Rolled a new character to troll me
2) Spent 10 mins editing a 100 word troll
Fail troll.com
SKUNK
Dude, seriously?
You're the only troll here. You don't actually read the stuff that anyone who tries to engage seriously with you posts. Instead, you use just ignore reason and talk shit and banter about, what you think are, witty little insults.
That, my friend, always betrays someone who has either lost an argument, or just gets jollys by making people mad. If the first is the case, then thanxsdrivethrough, if the second is the case, then you fit the classic definition of a troll.
-Karl
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