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Mazzarins Demise
Profit Development and Research Association
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Posted - 2008.07.18 17:34:00 -
[31]
 Originally by: Bleeshtar
Originally by: Mazzarins Demise
Originally by: Bleeshtar
Wait a minute...
Did I miss something?
How did someone end up in lowsec with an apocalypse with a 14 day trial?
Wasn't a trial, it was that 14-day retry promotion. You could start up one of your old accounts for free.
Hrm can you still do this with an already active 'other' account?
I think it was only offered for deactivated accounts.
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Something Random
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.07.18 17:37:00 -
[32]
Originally by: Sister Immacolata
Totally, at least I cant have 14 days of quality whine time on the forums. Hey, it was CCP who buggered me with their "come back and enjoy our incredible fun "root canal without anesthetics"-gameplay. Im grateful I was rewarded instantly with the most annoying aspects of the game. Cuts out a lot of wasted time rediscovering it.
Well goodbye then o/
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Bleeshtar
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Posted - 2008.07.18 17:38:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Mazzarins Demise
I think it was only offered for deactivated accounts.
Right... I have a 'current' account and an inactive account that I had created back at launch. Two different accounts.
If nothing else it would be fun to dig out those old chars and see how bad they suck. 
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Sister Immacolata
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Posted - 2008.07.18 17:55:00 -
[34]
Edited by: Sister Immacolata on 18/07/2008 17:55:15
Originally by: Bleeshtar
Originally by: Mazzarins Demise
I think it was only offered for deactivated accounts.
Right... I have a 'current' account and an inactive account that I had created back at launch. Two different accounts.
If nothing else it would be fun to dig out those old chars and see how bad they suck.
Yah, not a lot of skill training. Not a lot of isk-collecting either. Think I have a power of two-alt account somewhere. My char had cobwebs in her now eliminated implants. I scooted around a bit in my alt somewhere in Tash-Murkon. Looks prettier than before, but after taking that battleship ISK I didn't have the heart for another veldspar grind.
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DHB FooFighter
Dark Knights of Deneb
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.07.18 18:35:00 -
[35]
you forgot to mention the 8 mining lasers on your apoc 
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Xaen
Caldari
Caritas.
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Posted - 2008.07.18 18:38:00 -
[36]
Originally by: ShadowMaiden
Originally by: Soliscout
do you have any stuff left? can me haz it???
Originally by: Sister Immacolata
Yah, its floating in space somewhere I reckon. Go scoop the cans.
best come back to a "can I have your stuff" ever.
You win the internets
Agreed.
Hard to top that.
And the "at least I get to whine on the forums for 14 days" comment. Bonus points.
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Arte
AFK
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Posted - 2008.07.18 20:41:00 -
[37]
I think you were naieve to think you'd be able to fly around 0.0 unmolested. But, I do sympathise with you if you were dumped there 'because it was where you had a ship you could fly' for your first day back.
Perhaps with hindsight you could have petitioned a dev as 'stuck' and asked to be moved. If you explained how you got to be where you were then I'm sure they wouldn't have had a problem acquiescing to your request.
Failing that, you should have podded yourself and got back to empire 'safely' and left your apoc on sale in 0.0; Surely you didn't forget that aspect of travel after two years?
Give it another try. Maybe even try the tutorial again, it's much better than when you left. If you need a hand in game, give me a shout. I've got a few ships and bits you could have to get you on your feet again.
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Digital Solaris
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Posted - 2008.07.18 20:57:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Arte
I think you were naieve to think you'd be able to fly around 0.0 unmolested. But, I do sympathise with you if you were dumped there 'because it was where you had a ship you could fly' for your first day back.
Perhaps with hindsight you could have petitioned a dev as 'stuck' and asked to be moved. If you explained how you got to be where you were then I'm sure they wouldn't have had a problem acquiescing to your request.
Failing that, you should have podded yourself and got back to empire 'safely' and left your apoc on sale in 0.0; Surely you didn't forget that aspect of travel after two years?
Give it another try. Maybe even try the tutorial again, it's much better than when you left. If you need a hand in game, give me a shout. I've got a few ships and bits you could have to get you on your feet again.
Someone being nice on these forums? I report you SIR!
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Sister Immacolata
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Posted - 2008.07.18 21:15:00 -
[39]
Originally by: DHB FooFighter
you forgot to mention the 8 mining lasers on your apoc
I had all my battlemodules in my cargobay and was unable to switch them out. Even my warp core stabs were there since I was rigged for mining last day I played two years ago or something. Not sure if it would have helped me anyways.
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Stab Wounds
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.07.18 21:34:00 -
[40]
how long did you play 2 years ago? how much sp do you have?
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Doll
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Posted - 2008.07.18 21:36:00 -
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It shouldn't be too hard to get out of 0.0 in a pod or frigate. Set you auto-pilot to Rens or something (avoid Jita!) and make sure you pay attention all the time. Don't use the auto-pilot to travel. Just use it to plot the route for you, then travel manually along the path it recommends (or better yet, find a different path if possible). Use Jump-to-zero at every gate. If you log in right after downtime you should be able to travel at least 10 jumps before people get their blockades up and running (Hint: downtime often ends 10-20 minutes before the stated 12:00 GMT). Spread the travelling over several days if needed.
The only time you have to worry is if you find yourself in a warp disruption zone after jumping through gate. Then you'll have to move out of the warp disruptor range before you can warp. This can be tricky if you're in a pod. If you're in a frig with MWD you should be ok unless the gate campers are professionals (which is quite rare).
Good luck and welcome back to EvE!
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.07.18 21:43:00 -
[42]
Edited by: Le Skunk on 18/07/2008 21:43:44
Originally by: Karlemgne
Edited by: Karlemgne on 18/07/2008 17:14:15
Originally by: Le Skunk
LOL
CCPs artificially bolstered subscription figures are gonna take a nosedive in aprox 4 days. Thank gawd they are ****ing so much money on adverts eh.
SKUNK
Lmao. I don't know if you know this, SkunkyMcGenius, but every MMO company on the face of the earth has "inflated subcriotion figures." This is because they always count people with multiple paid accounts as seperate individuals.
What the never do, however, is count trial accounts, or non-paying accounts in their key meterics. Which means, incidentally, that the OP isn't being figured into CCPs total subscription numbers, nor is anyone else back in eve for any limited promotion.
He'd only be counted once he either added play time with a GTC or paid the old fashioned way.
Your CCP flaming = epic fail. And one, as always, wonders why you continue to play a game that, through your attitude and actions, you have demonstrated that you clearly loathe.
Cheers,
-Karlemgne
Because I get to kill fanbois like you. 
I meant the log in server figures that people generally refer to to judge success of the game at any given time - which will of course log all the doods who played for a week 8 years ago and will now log back in for a free 14 days
Also stop acting all superior because you worked for a failed MMO once -you dont have to kiss CCP's ass about everything
SKUNK
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Rellik B00n
Empyrean Age
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Posted - 2008.07.18 21:56:00 -
[43]
get a room 
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Zurrar
Gallente
Epiphyte Mining and Exploration
Combined Planetary Union
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Posted - 2008.07.19 00:12:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Sister Immacolata
So I took up the offer for 14 days of new play after 2 years. Woke up in a place I cant even remember having docked in Catch. Cant access fitting station. So I try to make my way back to empire but get shot to pieces. Bye bye apocalypse. So where is the fun hiding? 14 day offer seems give me nothing but grief. Guess Eve is as hostile towards solo play as it ever was.
since when did mmo have solo in it?
this isnt wow...
Originally by: Malcanis
CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
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Karlemgne
The Black Fleet
The Black Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.19 08:11:00 -
[45]
Edited by: Karlemgne on 19/07/2008 08:15:08
Edited by: Karlemgne on 19/07/2008 08:12:03
Originally by: Le Skunk
Edited by: Le Skunk on 18/07/2008 21:43:44
Stuff
The log-in numbers? Are you serious? First of all, as far as I know EVE-online is one of the only, if not THE only MMOs that actually show you how many people are logged on at any given time.
Other games sometimes, tell you what the current server load is. I.e. they say things like "light" and "medium" and "heavy." This is most decidely not "this server now has X players logged on."
Most often with other games you get this information once, when you are choosing a server on character creation, though some games do inform you of the server loads when you log in.
Also, I'd like to point out that log-in numbers are not typically used to justify the success of failure of a game. What is used is key metric numbers, which basically for the sake of discusion here is total number of subscriptions. So when Blizzard is bragging that it has 14 million players (or whatever the number is now days) they are refering to the number of total paid subscriptions, NOT the number of people logged onto WoW at peak game time.
And as far as eve's log-in numbers go, when I started playing eve the number always hovered around 12,000. Now I routinely log-in to 30,000 players. Even at 1am PST (West Coast United States) the number is usually around 19,000... which is a full 7,000 more than I used to see at peak play time. Thus, I find it highly doubious that you're going to try and argue that eve's log-in numbers are, by in-large, false and do not represent (in some way) a growth in the eve-online player base.
I will also take the time to let you know that EVE online is now the 7th largest MMOrpg by market share. This means EVE surpasses, with its 200,000 subscriptions, games like EQ, EQ2, LoTRo, D&D online, etc, etc. This is as of April this year. It would be also fair to point out that the CEO of CCP has just been named by Massively as the 4th most important person in the entire MMO industry. I say this not to toute the "greatness" of eve, but merely to point out that you are a dufas and don't know what you're talking about.
My previous experience in the video game industry means nothing, other than I actually have experience with the industry and game development. It does not make me superior to you, or anyone else, it merely means that I have access to more information than you do about how the industry works, not to mention the current state of the industry.
By-the-by the MMO I once worked on is not a "failed MMO." It is still alive and well and in the top 10 of the largest MMOs by market share. That I choose not to reveal who I worked for by not telling you what game I worked on speaks to my own desire to possibly work in the industry again. You never know who reads this stuff (you'd be surprised) and how that might effect your future. Suffice it to say, I don't currently work in the industry because I've chosen to go to graduate school.
Lastly, but not least, I have been a vocal critic of CCP in the past over a number of issues. Because I poke holes in your uninformed analysis of CCPs business model and game implementation does not mean that I am a "fanboi." Though I do still wonder why a pure "hater" such as yourself would continue to play a game you can't seem to find ANYTHING good to say about.
-Karlemgne
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Moirae Arachnea
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Posted - 2008.07.19 10:27:00 -
[46]
Edited by: Moirae Arachnea on 19/07/2008 10:30:34
Originally by: Karlemgne
I do still wonder why a pure "hater" such as yourself would continue to play a game you can't seem to find ANYTHING good to say about.
-Karlemgne
Karlemgne I can answer that for you in one word.
TROLL
People like him are sad miserable pathetic excuses of humanity and perfect examples of why mentally deficient people need to be sterilized so they won't continue to breed and contaminate the gene pool with their handicapped gene patterns.
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Kaar
Art of War
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Posted - 2008.07.19 10:35:00 -
[47]
Disco um all Skunkie!
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Sister Immacolata
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Posted - 2008.07.19 11:01:00 -
[48]
I've looked around a bit on how gameplay in Eve has developed in my absence. IT doesn't seem that it has sprouted radical new elements, so are the career paths still miner, refiner, mission runner, manufacturer and trader? Is the exploration profession feasible? How hard is it to save up for a poccy again?
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TZeer
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2008.07.19 11:14:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Sister Immacolata
I've looked around a bit on how gameplay in Eve has developed in my absence. IT doesn't seem that it has sprouted radical new elements, so are the career paths still miner, refiner, mission runner, manufacturer and trader? Is the exploration profession feasible? How hard is it to save up for a poccy again?
Yeah, the carebear professions are still ingame. Not sure if you know, but you can now invent T2 stuff on your own.
Ezxploration I have no clue about, some say they get nice shiny modules from it sometimes.
And saving up for a apoc... easy. But it all depends what you gonna use it for. If you wanna mine your better of going for a mining ship.
But it shouldnt be to much of a problem getting a new ship.
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Karlemgne
The Black Fleet
The Black Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.19 17:39:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Kaar
You fail Skunkie!
Fixed
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Clair Bear
Coalition of Nations
Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.07.19 17:56:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Le Skunk
LOL
CCPs artificially bolstered subscription figures are gonna take a nosedive in aprox 4 days. Thank gawd they are ****ing so much money on adverts eh.
SKUNK
Offer is good till end of the month, so we won't see the results until mid August.
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Clair Bear
Coalition of Nations
Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.07.19 18:11:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Sister Immacolata
I've looked around a bit on how gameplay in Eve has developed in my absence. IT doesn't seem that it has sprouted radical new elements, so are the career paths still miner, refiner, mission runner, manufacturer and trader? Is the exploration profession feasible? How hard is it to save up for a poccy again?
Exploration is feasible in 0.0 (and allegedly lowsec). Even with basic insurance replacing a T1 fitted BS loss in 0.0 runs about an hour.
There are really two professions in eve -- ganker or carebear. Each one has a core skillset and add-on skills (e.g., an experienced 0.0 covops pilot can make a good wad of cash scanning down plexes). Ganking includes gate camping, mission invasion, suiciding, pos takedowns and other fun work. Carebearing can be a bit of a grind but I find plenty of enjoyable elements.
What has changed in the last 2 years is mining rats with a combat ship is >>>>>>>>> mining rocks in a barge. Drones and rat loot reprocessing can far exceed your ability to mine and haul in an apoc, or even hulk. What hasn't changed: you still can't fight in a mining ship.
There are plenty of 0.0 solo friendly corps. Convo or evemail me in game and I'll explain how that works.
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Lone Gunman
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Posted - 2008.07.19 19:25:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Clair Bear
Offer is good till end of the month, so we won't see the results until mid August.
It would be great if we could get those that took advanatage of the offer to post here if they renewed or not, and the reasons for staying or leaving.
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To'max
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Posted - 2008.07.19 20:50:00 -
[54]
I had the same experience. Trying to move 2 accounts back up in high sec, only to be blasted by pirates and gate campers. I think the gate campers figured new players would be doing that and are intentionally waiting on the new players (old players). That's the kind of ganking that I'm against and posted that EVE should put in a combat/non-combat flag for certain situations like this one.
Do you want the old players back or not? CCP has to come up with a way to fight gate campers. They are the players they run new players away and when someone says something, they even confirm it on the formus by telling you to leave and EVE isn't for you  To those people I say get a life and stop telling someone else what game they should play or not play. It's not your call! You want to play WoW then go do it, but stop telling other people whats good for them.
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.07.19 21:04:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Karlemgne
utter irrelevant fanbios drivle
Ok take some deep breaths. Your getting excited.
here was what i posted
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LOL
CCPs artificially bolstered subscription figures are gonna take a nosedive in aprox 4 days. Thank gawd they are ****ing so much money on adverts eh.
SKUNK
Now once we had got the slight confusion over the use of the word subscription (in this context menaing the amount of people playing eve), the point is accurate.
CCP have artificially bolstered the amount of people playing eve by giving out free weeks play.
They have ****ed a load of money on adverts
As such, all the crap you are coming out with (which im sure is very exciting to you) about other MMO's (which were never reffered to ) is utterly irrelevant.
The figures will nosedive when the 14 days are over (as someone pointed out the offer runs for a month) The OP himself and other posters in this thread are basically saying they are not gogin to pay for their recently reactivated accounts (for a variety of reasons)
So take some breaths, nobody cares about your MMO experience or what you are studying or what you had for breakfast. So stop bringing in irrelevant rants.
SKUNK
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.07.19 21:14:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Moirae Arachnea
Edited by: Moirae Arachnea on 19/07/2008 10:38:55
Edited by: Moirae Arachnea on 19/07/2008 10:30:34
Originally by: Karlemgne
I do still wonder why a pure "hater" such as yourself would continue to play a game you can't seem to find ANYTHING good to say about.
-Karlemgne
Karlemgne I can answer that for you in one word.
TROLL
People like him are sad miserable pathetic excuses of humanity and perfect examples of why mentally deficient people need to be sterilized so they won't continue to breed and contaminate the gene pool with their handicapped gene patterns. /troll (hehehehe)
Well Im glad that you
1) Rolled a new character to troll me
2) Spent 10 mins editing a 100 word troll
Fail troll.com
SKUNK
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.07.19 21:18:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Karlemgne
Originally by: Kaar
You fail Skunkie!
Fixed
Hmmm you really are irate when you fix someones post to support yourself. You sad man :(
SKUNK
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Sister Immacolata
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Posted - 2008.07.19 21:28:00 -
[58]
Originally by: To'max
Do you want the old players back or not? CCP has to come up with a way to fight gate campers. They are the players they run new players away and when someone says something, they even confirm it on the formus by telling you to leave and EVE isn't for you To those people I say get a life and stop telling someone else what game they should play or not play. It's not your call! You want to play WoW then go do it, but stop telling other people whats good for them.
Well I am _GLAD_ CCP made me this offer, honestly. Now I didn't have to pay 15 euro to get ganked by pirate game campers. For free, CCP helped me confirm that Eve probably isn't my cuppa, since it still is so harsh on average joes like me. So in that sense it served its purpose. I mean that WAS what CCP wanted right? To lure in the noobs an extra time so they could teach them a lesson! Here doggy, have a biscuit. <munch>. <WHAM>! HA, stupid doggie! Bloody Bait and switch that is.
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Ti'tanis
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Posted - 2008.07.19 21:39:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Sister Immacolata
Originally by: To'max
Do you want the old players back or not? CCP has to come up with a way to fight gate campers. They are the players they run new players away and when someone says something, they even confirm it on the formus by telling you to leave and EVE isn't for you To those people I say get a life and stop telling someone else what game they should play or not play. It's not your call! You want to play WoW then go do it, but stop telling other people whats good for them.
Well I am _GLAD_ CCP made me this offer, honestly. Now I didn't have to pay 15 euro to get ganked by pirate game campers. For free, CCP helped me confirm that Eve probably isn't my cuppa, since it still is so harsh on average joes like me. So in that sense it served its purpose. I mean that WAS what CCP wanted right? To lure in the noobs an extra time so they could teach them a lesson! Here doggy, have a biscuit. <munch>. <WHAM>! HA, stupid doggie! Bloody Bait and switch that is.
LOL so true. I'm going to stick around and see if I can find a good guild and start building up again, but maybe another game would be better. I really do like EVE, but the Gate Campers are the ones that's pushing me to give up on a great game. Even the suicide gankers are not as bad, I mean a little excitment now and again is good, but Gate Campers are putting the nails in the coffin..bam..bam..bam.
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Karlemgne
The Black Fleet
The Black Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.20 03:28:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Le Skunk
Originally by: Karlemgne
utter irrelevant fanbios drivle
Right, of course you think its "fanboi" drivel. As long as you call it that, you don't actually have to address any of the points I've made. You are very good at misdirection, but watch how much more successful an argument is when someone actually reads what you've written and responds to you point by point.
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Now once we had got the slight confusion over the use of the word subscription (in this context menaing the amount of people playing eve), the point is accurate.
The point is not "accurate." By saying subscription you are appealing to the total number of people who pay CCP to play, or rather the total number of paid accounts. That number is 200,000 and does not change regardless of how many people are logged onto the server.
You've also said this "I meant the log in server figures that people generally refer to to judge success of the game at any given time."
To me what you seem to be saying is that EVE uses the most logged in "server figures" to judge the "success" of any given game. What is more you also seem to be saying that every, or most, MMO publishers do this as a general rule.
I've already pointed out that this is completely inaccurate. MMO companies rarely even provide more than a "this server has a light, medium, or heavy load" at character creation. I've also already pointed out that usually total subscription numbers are used by the industry to judge the success of a game, but hey we already know you don't actually read what other people post.
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CCP have artificially bolstered the amount of people playing eve by giving out free weeks play.
To get technical they haven't artifically inflated anything. The number of people logged onto server is what is regardless of whether or not someone is utilizing free play time.
Having said that (why am I posting something you won't read) CCP doesn't hand out free acount reactivations to "artificially bolster the amount of people playing EVE."
The principle behind giving free play time to vets is the same as having a free trial. CCP hopes that some of the older players come back because of the free playtime, and then stay because of it. CCP is, afterall, a capitalist entity whose goal is to make money. The idea is that the company raise the total number of subscriptions by getting vets to come back to the game.
Incidentally, SOE just offered me free play time on my station account for two games I used to play--EQ2 and Vangaurd. Guess what? SOE doesn't moniter the total number of players "logged in" to EQ2 and Vangaurd servers.
SOE offered the promotion for the same reason CCP did. They hope that players will come back to the games they used to play.
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They have ****ed a load of money on adverts
Yes, yes they have. Again, they're a business and not your personal video game slaves. They had spent money on marketing to attract new players. Shocker.
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As such, all the crap you are coming out with (which im sure is very exciting to you) about other MMO's (which were never reffered to ) is utterly irrelevant.
Oh, I see. So you are simply saying CCP is doing X for X reasons, but when people point to evidence that would suggest you are wrong--particularly the behavior of other members of the MMO industry which CCP is a part of--its irrelevent. How convinient for you.
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The figures will nosedive when the 14 days are over (as someone pointed out the offer runs for a month) The OP himself and other posters in this thread are basically saying they are not gogin to pay for their recently reactivated accounts (for a variety of reasons)
What figures are you talking about? The total number of people on the server? What do you consider a "nose dive." Define your variables, because it seems perfectly logical the the total number of people who log into a server in a given day is varied.
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