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Ong
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Posted - 2008.07.20 03:38:00 -
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Just about to get into this myself (along with the mega) as far as i can see the hype is for gate camping and long fleet engaments with multiple fights, both of which require active tanking.
The mega is for small fleet, hit and gun ganking, or as part of LARGE fleets where no tank is gunna save u if made primary, in which case u kill as much as u can before u go pop.
tbh its better then the maelstrom, as it gets much the same damage and tank, but can tackle also, but not quite as good as a Rokh & Abbadon.
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Ong
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Posted - 2008.07.20 04:30:00 -
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 Originally by: Boz Well
Originally by: Ong
Just about to get into this myself (along with the mega) as far as i can see the hype is for gate camping and long fleet engaments with multiple fights, both of which require active tanking.
The mega is for small fleet, hit and gun ganking, or as part of LARGE fleets where no tank is gunna save u if made primary, in which case u kill as much as u can before u go pop.
tbh its better then the maelstrom, as it gets much the same damage and tank, but can tackle also, but not quite as good as a Rokh & Abbadon.
Very few fleet engagements today are best served with an active tanked ship, and even fewer 'require' an active tank. Even in situations where you need an active tank, it's not clear that the hyperion is the superior choice over the mega. As far as comparisons to other ships, to be honest you need to look at a role/setup in assessing this. Comparing the ships in the abstract really doesn't accomplish much.
first off the guy asked what the role of the hype is, that is what, imo the role is, a close range bs that can ade in tackling in situations where some prefer active tanks to plate.
second, i compared it to those ships as the other race's t3 bs's, and assuming closeup setups, which is how they would be mainly setup.
and as for accomplishing things, im not quite sure what trolling accomplishes, but you seem to like it :S
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Ong
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Posted - 2008.07.20 04:57:00 -
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Originally by: Boz Well
Touchy touchy. A little disagreement and you scream troll? Get off the defensive, heh, it's a forum. People will respond to your post, and they aren't all trolls. 
From reading your post, I got the impression, right or wrong, that you were suggesting an active tank is useful in all but the largest fleet situations, which isn't true really. It doesn't take much DPS at all before you reach the point where a buffer tank would be preferred (a few ships maybe).
As far as T3 BS's, I have to just say el oh el. Rokh is almost always a close-range setup? Sure, I guess, if you forget the fact it's one of the better snipers. Maelstrom is also the best sniper the Matar can field, so I wouldn't say it's a slam dunk that it will be fit with autocannons. Abaddon, sure, ok, I'll agree it's typically a close-range ship. When 2/3 are their race's best snipers, I don't think you can 'assume' they'll be close-range ships.
That said, I don't think we're disagreeing on all that much. The Hyp is only useful atm in a handful of situations, but that's mainly due to the fact that active tanking in general is only useful in a handful of situations.
lol well if you would have made those points rather then just saying everything i posted was wrong and that i didnt accomplish much i wouldn't have said you trolled.
anyway........ your quite right the mael and rokh are both good snipeing bs's no question, however i must say that about 75% of the times ive flown with them in fleet they have been upclose setups. the rokh can have one hell of a tank and dps, it must be said though that outside of 0.0 snipeing bs's arent used all that much anymore, infact i cant actually remember the last time i was in a fleet with a snipe fitted bs.
but yeh essentially i think the hype has a very limited role on the battlefield, be it snipe or close up.
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Ong
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Posted - 2008.07.20 05:34:00 -
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so every time i respond to your post im being defensive, although when u do your not? not quite sure how that works, but oh well.
and yeh your totally right comparing a snipe fit to a close up fit, obviously doesent work. i did however say "assuming closeup setups", and assuming this, and that the mael and hype's bonus's are both to rep and both to gun (damage and rof are very simmilar) im not sure your right about not gaining much in comparing them.
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Ong
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Posted - 2008.07.20 06:05:00 -
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ok so assuming both the mael and hype are actve tanked, close range setups, the hype can tank 880dps and put out 763, the mael can tank 834 and put out 908 dps, both simillar, the reason i would say the hype is better is that a mwd is almost essential in pvp and the mael cant fit that. the mael also cant tackle so anyone fighting a mael can simply just warp off. so and this is imo the hype is better :)
im also a matar pilot, does a plated phoon work? i always think of a plate ship needing high dps as well, and no matter how many fits ive tried on a phoon ive never got decent damage out of it, mainly due to the split highslot lay-out.
and yeh the plate mega is awesome (in all honesty im training gael to get the gankathron, the hype is simply a bonus lol)
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