Originally by: Roguehalo

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Can you nano Titans?

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Originally by: CCP Atropos

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I pod people because there's money to be made in selling tears.

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Originally by: Mika Meroko

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no avoiding concord....
remember MOO!!!!!!

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Originally by: Roguehalo

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Can you nano Titans?

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Originally by: Riho

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suicide ganking is ok. tyvm

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Originally by: Taikun Brunel

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Edited by: Taikun Brunel on 19/07/2008 08:15:01

Originally by: Riho

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suicide ganking is ok. tyvm

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Sure is. I agree.

However the REAL problem is insurance is broken. THIS situation makes the perception that suicide ganking is stuffed, which it is not.

Taikun

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Originally by: Lothris Andastar

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/wall of text did not read

Btw: Its a perfectly good mechanic. If you are worried you will be ganked, heres what u can do:
1) Dont AFK
2) Bring a Logistics to web you and rep you
3) Stay docked

Remember:

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Originally by: CCP Atropos

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I pod people because there's money to be made in selling tears.

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Originally by: Nikita Alterana

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In fact the entire operation of Concord is fairly stupid, they should act like a real police force, with the same strengths and fallacies […] I'm not saying it should be easy to avoid a concordokken, but at the same time It shouldn't be impossible.

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• Response times that can be counted in several minutes
• CONCORD ships that can easily be lured into traps and blown up
• The ability to divert every single CONCORD ship to a remote location so your big score can be done unmolested
• The ability to essentially put CONCORD out of business by reducing their assets to zero

Quote:

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I understand that they are supposed to protect you in highsec

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Originally by: Gamesguy

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Suicide ganking should be nerfed hard when NPC corp protection/corp hopping to avoid wardecs is removed.

Until then, suicide ganking is the only way to introduce some risk to the npc corp mission runners with 6b CNR fits.

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Originally by: CCP Atropos

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I pod people because there's money to be made in selling tears.

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Originally by: Mika Meroko

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Originally by: Lothris Andastar

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/wall of text did not read

Btw: Its a perfectly good mechanic. If you are worried you will be ganked, heres what u can do:
1) Dont AFK
2) Bring a Logistics to web you and rep you
3) Stay docked

Remember:

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Actually, a logistics repping doesnt really help.. considering most ganking last less than 10 secounds.. 1 (x4) cycle isnt gonna help much..


buffer tank is better imho....

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Originally by: Nikita Alterana

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No, highsec should not be safe, yes I shouldn't fly into Jita carrying billions of isk in a shuttle, and yes freighters should be hard to move around. BUT, suicide ganking is not the answer, regardless of whether your a gankie or a ganker, you should agree that its a very strange, unrealistic mechanic, it makes no sense from an RP perspective and it makes no sense from a gameplay perspective. I understand CCPs desire for a dark universe, and there should be a mechanic that allows for highsec robbery, ganking and murder. But the mechanic of avoiding Concord just long enough to kill something is fairly stupid. In fact the entire operation of Concord is fairly stupid, they should act like a real police force, with the same strengths and fallacies, I understand that they are supposed to protect you in highsec, but their AI is stupid, and the mechanic behind them (dropping tons of ships on you instantly) isn't a good way of running them. I'm not saying it should be easy to avoid a concordokken, but at the same time It shouldn't be impossible. Concord is stupid and suicide ganking is simply exploiting that stupidity. There should be a mechanic where players can pirate in highsec and sometimes avoid capture, but the current suicide ganking mechanic is just bad.

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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire

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I will not liek human meat but the naerest I tried is human chesse. I don't want to tried again ...

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Originally by: Vaal Erit

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No to any form of pirating in high security space. New players should not be victim to older players with billions of disposable assets. New players are always needed to keep the game fresh and continuing on.

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Originally by: Mika Meroko

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Originally by: Gamesguy

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Suicide ganking should be nerfed hard when NPC corp protection/corp hopping to avoid wardecs is removed.

Until then, suicide ganking is the only way to introduce some risk to the npc corp mission runners with 6b CNR fits.

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..... I am still curious... who uses those? (I have ship scanned alot of CNRs... and most of them are T2 fit...)

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Originally by: Malcanis

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CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.

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Originally by: Mika Meroko

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Originally by: Gamesguy

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Suicide ganking should be nerfed hard when NPC corp protection/corp hopping to avoid wardecs is removed.

Until then, suicide ganking is the only way to introduce some risk to the npc corp mission runners with 6b CNR fits.

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..... I am still curious... who uses those? (I have ship scanned alot of CNRs... and most of them are T2 fit...)

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Originally by: Nikita Alterana

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There should be a mechanic where players can pirate in highsec and sometimes avoid capture, but the current suicide ganking mechanic is just bad.

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Originally by: Dzajic

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Only, and only thing that should be done about suicide ganking is to remove insurance payout if you get CONCORDEKEN.
Its absurd. "Hi mister insurance guy, can I have my policy money, I lost my ship to the legitimate interstellar police fore that attacked me when I committed to criminal activity, please mister insurance guy?"

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Originally by: Leandro Salazar

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Edited by: Leandro Salazar on 19/07/2008 10:38:45

Originally by: Malcanis

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CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.

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You know, you really should correct you signature to read

"CONCORD provide consequences which the SCC promptly negates, not safety; only you can do that."

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Originally by: Dzajic

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Only, and only thing that should be done about suicide ganking is to remove insurance payout if you get CONCORDEKEN.
Its absurd. "Hi mister insurance guy, can I have my policy money, I lost my ship to the legitimate interstellar police fore that attacked me when I committed to criminal activity, please mister insurance guy?"

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Originally by: Vaal Erit

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No to any form of pirating in high security space. New players should not be victim to older players with billions of disposable assets. New players are always needed to keep the game fresh and continuing on.

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Originally by: ISK Fairy

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umm if your so concerned about getting ganked just amke your selves less of a target by using cargo containers so the gankers dont know what they could be getting, but dont peanalize the gankers for the stupidity of the haulers who dont even try to hide the fact that they are hauling huge ammounts of isk around.

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Originally by: Doddy

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Originally by: Vaal Erit

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No to any form of pirating in high security space. New players should not be victim to older players with billions of disposable assets. New players are always needed to keep the game fresh and continuing on.

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Yeah, because the people flying around in officer fitted faction battleships are of course all new players in need of protecting. You are an idiot.

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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire

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I will not liek human meat but the naerest I tried is human chesse. I don't want to tried again ...

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Originally by: Zephyr Rengate

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People only kill experienced people in high sec, people able to fit and afford expsensive mods. So really I dont buy into any arguement that suicide ganking harms newer players. More experienced players should know not to fly what they cannot afford to lose and to also make sure they dont appear too juicy a target. Avoiding the real popular mission hubs will help aswell.

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Originally by: baltec1

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"Suicide ganking should be nerfed hard when NPC corp protection/corp hopping to avoid wardecs is removed."

That is what was being replied to.

War decing an NPC corp should never happen and would hurt newer players the most.

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Trinity Corporate Services

Originally by: Gonada

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DONT AFK


there solved

ohh wait, the happy faced-carebear WoW generation still cant understand this.

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Originally by: northwesten

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limit pilots in NPC corp what the can fly! like with trail accounts! and well no insurance on criminal actions. Or maybe have a large booster on the freighter just to last that little longer :P

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Originally by: Ashen Angel

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oh yes lets limit the NPC corporations ship options...

And watch them spend a couple million in isk to set up spider tanks of wardecs on small or even one man corporations.

Take 5 corps. They can effectively make it 4 permawars going on between everyone of them... so you pay 5th war rates to wardec any one of them (and just think how much it'd cost to wardec all of them)

Or you just wind up with swarms of one man corporations operating just fine, because this isn't pokemon.. you can't catch them all.

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Originally by: Ki An

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Originally by: Ashen Angel

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oh yes lets limit the NPC corporations ship options...

And watch them spend a couple million in isk to set up spider tanks of wardecs on small or even one man corporations.

Take 5 corps. They can effectively make it 4 permawars going on between everyone of them... so you pay 5th war rates to wardec any one of them (and just think how much it'd cost to wardec all of them)

Or you just wind up with swarms of one man corporations operating just fine, because this isn't pokemon.. you can't catch them all.

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You really still don't get it, do you?

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Originally by: Shyamalan

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If ccp were to stamp on every new gameplay strategy as it emerges this game would become flat and boring very quickly. Suicide ganking isnt an illegal exploit. Unless you want insta-concord who show up and cane gankers the instant they launch a missile, suicide ganking will always be around.

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Originally by: baltec1

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Yeah, because people would ONLY go after the milti billion isk ships and leave all the new players well alone, thats exactly what happens in low sec. You are an idiot.

Oh and if you put stuff into a cargo container all you will see on the scan is a cargo container.

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Originally by: Ashen Angel

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Nope, I understand this:

You limit how someone can operate they adapt.

Limiting ships/modules usable by npc corporations makes them adapt.

Easiest adaptation is small or one man corporations, they are too small to wardec and have an effect on the competition.

Staggered wardecs are already in use

Suck it up, it's not your game mr troll. It changes to match what CCP determines is the most profitable manner.

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Originally by: Ki An

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Originally by: Ashen Angel

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Nope, I understand this:

You limit how someone can operate they adapt.

Limiting ships/modules usable by npc corporations makes them adapt.

Easiest adaptation is small or one man corporations, they are too small to wardec and have an effect on the competition.

Staggered wardecs are already in use

Suck it up, it's not your game mr troll. It changes to match what CCP determines is the most profitable manner.

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I'm sorry but you really don't. It's quite amazing since I have explained it to you about three times, using smaller words each time. Let's try one more time.

Limiting NPC corps is not the only thing that should change. The war mechanics and the corporation mechanic should of course change too. That way there won't be a bunch of 1-man corps. Nobody has ever claimed that would be the result but you, and you are a proven idiot. Don't worry. What you say will happen, won't.

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Originally by: Gamesguy

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Originally by: Vaal Erit

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No to any form of pirating in high security space. New players should not be victim to older players with billions of disposable assets. New players are always needed to keep the game fresh and continuing on.

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Except its not new players being suicide ganked, but rather stupid old players hauling billions around in a t1 hauler. So your point is moot.

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Originally by: Ashen Angel