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SitRep Caldari	Posted - 2008.07.19 11:10:00 - [1] Edited by: SitRep on 19/07/2008 11:22:24 Searched the forums and haven't found any recent loadouts used by people. Last ones dated to early 2007. I've been away from the game for quite a while now and was interested if things have changed regarding our paper friend. Which PvP loadouts do you people use & why? Last one I used was: Hi: 5x Heavy Missile Launchers(either T1 or their named counterparts) Mid: 4-5 Sensor Damps T1 Lows: 2x BCU T1 This was used in roaming gangs with the obvious intent of crippling long range ships we encounter. Would experienced pilots please point me towards setups that would be used effectively in roaming gangs and/or solo considering my skills are the following. Engeneering, Electronics, Weapon Upgrades are set to lvl 5. Caldari Cruiser IV, Heavy Missiles V, Warhead Upgrades V, Target Nav. Pred. IV, Standart Missiles III (aiming for V), Rapid Launch IV, Missile Projection IV, Missile Launcher Operation V, Missile Bombardment is 3 days away from V, Guided Missile Precision V. Any suggestions/feedback would be welcome.
Akuma Tsukai Amarr	Posted - 2008.07.19 12:19:00 - [2] welllll caldari ships, thats obvious.... seem u like ewar/damage, nothing wrong with that but tell me do u hate ECM so much? Its like an obvious choice for caldari, and blackbird sits right there. Not to mention poor damps got the combat end of nerfhammer As for Caracal PvP: the usuall buffer tank with heavies will score u some kills be it solo or small gang. Or if u prefer ur setup, why not fit 2-3 TDs instead of damps? All imho. ---- Drones eat everything. Trust me.
SitRep Caldari	Posted - 2008.07.19 12:24:00 - [3] Messed around a bit with EFT. What do you think about this setup? Hi: 5x Heavy Missile Launcher / Scourge Heavy Missiles Mids: 1x Target Painter I 2x Invul. Fields I 1x Warp Disruptor I ( The 20km one) 1x Large Shield Extender I Lows: 2x BCU I Drones: 2x Warrior I drones. Ends me up with 4126 shield HP and effective HP of 12 863. DPS 146, 137 of which come from missiles and a volley of 1405 dmg.
SitRep Caldari	Posted - 2008.07.19 20:33:00 - [4] Anybody?
Foulque	Posted - 2008.07.19 20:54:00 - [5] People I've talked to generally go with HAMS > Heavies, you wont need the range of Heavies anyway in solo or small gang work. Maybe something like this? Though I'm not sure if active would actually be an improvemnt on a large extender buffer, depends what you can fit i guess. Also shield resistance rigs are cheap. 5 X named HAM Disruptor Invul Field Med Shield Booster Boost Amplifier Small Cap Booster 2 X BCU
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2008.07.19 21:04:00 - [6] Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 19/07/2008 21:04:17 Ignore the previous setups. No MWD = not a PvP setup. Feel free to use them for missions though. Here's a much better setup: [Caracal, New Setup 1] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Phased Muon Sensor Disruptor I, Targeting Range Dampening Phased Muon Sensor Disruptor I, Targeting Range Dampening Phased Muon Sensor Disruptor I, Targeting Range Dampening Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] Warrior II x2 The Caracal doesn't have the grid to fit any useful tank, so use those mids for some ewar. Unfortunately, damps are the only thing you have the CPU to fit... just bring another Caldari friend with a Blackbird and fit some lock time scripts. Or, you can trade one of the BCUs for an Overdrive II and change your ewar to something else.
SitRep Caldari	Posted - 2008.07.19 21:08:00 - [7] Why use T2 stuff on such easy to destroy ship?
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2008.07.19 21:26:00 - [8] Originally by: SitRep Why use T2 stuff on such easy to destroy ship? Good point. Buy a Drake.
SitRep Caldari	Posted - 2008.07.19 21:27:00 - [9] Except I'm looking for a cheap cruiser, not a battlecruiser.
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.07.19 21:43:00 - [10] Originally by: SitRep Except I'm looking for a cheap cruiser, not a battlecruiser. Everything's cheap with insurance. A decent fit BS costs maybe 25mil.

Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2008.07.19 21:55:00 - [11] Originally by: SitRep Except I'm looking for a cheap cruiser, not a battlecruiser. Cheap cruisers suck, don't fly them. If you don't want to buy a proper ship + fittings, just self destruct a few un-fitted Caracals in front of the Jita IV station. It'll be the same result as taking them into PvP, but without all the effort of trying to figure out a cheap setup.
Dust Rocket	Posted - 2008.07.19 22:48:00 - [12] Edited by: Dust Rocket on 19/07/2008 22:48:46 Originally by: Merin Ryskin Good point. Buy a Drake. What a dumb answer. Dude wants a Caracal setup you say buy a drake? Its like hey i want to sent this 1m3 box to Island and u say hey take this huge marine container, cause its better its from metal. DAH To OP go HAM missiles "tank" or tackle depends on your friends as you need to hold your opponent there also.
Malcanis We are Legend	Posted - 2008.07.19 22:55:00 - [13] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Originally by: SitRep Except I'm looking for a cheap cruiser, not a battlecruiser. Cheap cruisers suck, don't fly them. If you don't want to buy a proper ship + fittings, just self destruct a few un-fitted Caracals in front of the Jita IV station. It'll be the same result as taking them into PvP, but without all the effort of trying to figure out a cheap setup. The trouble with cheap caldari cruisers is that Caldari ships require both pilot and FC to be competent in using specialised ships in a balanced gang. But cheap caldari cruisers are not used by such people. They're used by inexperienced pilots with inexperienced FCs. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2008.07.19 23:03:00 - [14] Quote: The trouble with cheap caldari cruisers is that Caldari ships require both pilot and FC to be competent in using specialised ships in a balanced gang. But cheap caldari cruisers are not used by such people. They're used by inexperienced pilots with inexperienced FCs. This is a very good description of the problem, actually. Meanwhile, here's a useful Caracal fit: 5x AML IIs with precision lights MWD, tank or ewar 2x BCS II Effective frigate killer. Can damage/drive off unpimped interceptors.
Mahke Carrion Crows	Posted - 2008.07.19 23:39:00 - [15] Originally by: Gypsio III Quote: The trouble with cheap caldari cruisers is that Caldari ships require both pilot and FC to be competent in using specialised ships in a balanced gang. But cheap caldari cruisers are not used by such people. They're used by inexperienced pilots with inexperienced FCs. This is a very good description of the problem, actually. Meanwhile, here's a useful Caracal fit: 5x AML IIs with precision lights MWD, tank or ewar 2x BCS II Effective frigate killer. Can damage/drive off unpimped interceptors. While I would also endorse stepping up to BC's, or flying a different kind of boat (blackbirdblackbirdblackbird) there IS a good pvp caracal setup, and its this one. Sure, the paper dps is less, but, if you want paper gank/tank you should be flying a drake. the AML II caracal, on the other hand, is nice both for cheapness, ability to hit frigs, and sheer surprise factor.
Arvald Caldari Ninjas N Pirates	Posted - 2008.07.19 23:46:00 - [16] Originally by: Gypsio III Quote: The trouble with cheap caldari cruisers is that Caldari ships require both pilot and FC to be competent in using specialised ships in a balanced gang. But cheap caldari cruisers are not used by such people. They're used by inexperienced pilots with inexperienced FCs. This is a very good description of the problem, actually. Meanwhile, here's a useful Caracal fit: 5x AML IIs with precision lights MWD, tank or ewar 2x BCS II Effective frigate killer. Can damage/drive off unpimped interceptors. in small gangs your fc will want your children when you bring this, jstu take out all the tacklers Originally by: Siddy APERANTLY GEED PEE VEE PEE PLAYAS!!111 im in your forums, derailing your threads
SitRep Caldari	Posted - 2008.07.20 11:48:00 - [17] Originally by: Arvald Originally by: Gypsio III Quote: The trouble with cheap caldari cruisers is that Caldari ships require both pilot and FC to be competent in using specialised ships in a balanced gang. But cheap caldari cruisers are not used by such people. They're used by inexperienced pilots with inexperienced FCs. This is a very good description of the problem, actually. Meanwhile, here's a useful Caracal fit: 5x AML IIs with precision lights MWD, tank or ewar 2x BCS II Effective frigate killer. Can damage/drive off unpimped interceptors. in small gangs your fc will want your children when you bring this, jstu take out all the tacklers Looks like something I would like to do, how well can it deal damage against bigger targets though? Thankyou& keep em' coming :)
SitRep Caldari	Posted - 2008.07.20 14:57:00 - [18] With the MWD in place, it leaves you with 4 mid slots left, not looking for ewar on a Caracal so leaves with tank. Ideas? Med SB with SB Amp + invul field + sensor booster?
VirtuousEyes	Posted - 2008.07.20 16:52:00 - [19] I use a caracal for FW. While its not the most 'multi-talented' cruiser out there. I suggest just staying with what this ship is good at DPS at decent range. While yeah HAMS give you great DPS, even with a MWD you will have trouble getting in range of most targets. Being a Caldari ship (heavy) and lack of low slots. You will be one of the slower ships in the gang. Hi: 5X HM's II(carry both precision and high dmg) Mid:2x Sensor Booster II, 10MN MWDII (scan res scripts) Then tank or ewar. I havnet got ewar skills on the alt, so i have been putting on a dismal tank. But ewar is prbably a better option Lows: 2xBCU II The idea is to get out of point range 23km+ with your mwd and then stay aligned to a celestial object. If primaired warp. And hope you get out. If not you should have another 5 of this ships waiting in ya hanger.
Ka Jolo Ministry of Destruction Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.21 07:28:00 - [20] Originally by: Gypsio III 5x AML IIs with precision lights MWD, tank or ewar 2x BCS II I usually attack Caracals with a frigate without a second thought; the times I've regretted it the Caracal launched a swarm of precision lights at me. Your Money or Your Life: the journal of a space pirate

pippan Gallente The Wild Hunt Pure.	Posted - 2008.07.21 07:54:00 - [21] This used to be my solo lowsec/highsec caracal setup. .. I miss it =[ [Caracal, 668] Ballistic Control System II Damage Control II ECM - Multispectral Jammer I J5 Prototype Warp Inhibitor I Large Azeotropic Ward Salubrity I V-M15 Braced Multispectral Shield Matrix X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Heavy Missile Launcher I Heavy Missile Launcher I Heavy Missile Launcher I Heavy Missile Launcher I Heavy Missile Launcher I [empty rig slot] ---- - pippan
SitRep Caldari	Posted - 2008.07.21 09:06:00 - [22] Originally by: Ka Jolo Originally by: Gypsio III 5x AML IIs with precision lights MWD, tank or ewar 2x BCS II I usually attack Caracals with a frigate without a second thought; the times I've regretted it the Caracal launched a swarm of precision lights at me. Do you by any chance have an idea how well that damage goes through versus cruisers though? And if low, how long would it take to reload precision lights to fury lights? I can only play with theores on the machine I am at the moment, launching the game would crash my notebook in under 2 minutes time (Problem is not EvE related).
Malcanis We are Legend	Posted - 2008.07.21 09:21:00 - [23] Originally by: SitRep Originally by: Ka Jolo Originally by: Gypsio III 5x AML IIs with precision lights MWD, tank or ewar 2x BCS II I usually attack Caracals with a frigate without a second thought; the times I've regretted it the Caracal launched a swarm of precision lights at me. Do you by any chance have an idea how well that damage goes through versus cruisers though? And if low, how long would it take to reload precision lights to fury lights? I can only play with theores on the machine I am at the moment, launching the game would crash my notebook in under 2 minutes time (Problem is not EvE related). it will be pretty poor. Use CN Scourge anyway. better range, no penalties, almost the same DPS. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
SitRep Caldari	Posted - 2008.07.21 09:45:00 - [24] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: SitRep Originally by: Ka Jolo Originally by: Gypsio III 5x AML IIs with precision lights MWD, tank or ewar 2x BCS II I usually attack Caracals with a frigate without a second thought; the times I've regretted it the Caracal launched a swarm of precision lights at me. Do you by any chance have an idea how well that damage goes through versus cruisers though? And if low, how long would it take to reload precision lights to fury lights? I can only play with theores on the machine I am at the moment, launching the game would crash my notebook in under 2 minutes time (Problem is not EvE related). it will be pretty poor. Use CN Scourge anyway. better range, no penalties, almost the same DPS. Would it be overall usefull? I know it'd do good damage against battlecruisers and above, rather good to cruisers but what about those tacklers/frigs and whatnot? Come on people, join the chat :P
Tashiell Gao Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.07.21 11:43:00 - [25] Cruiser sized AB (overloaded) or MWD is a must, you need them to get into the "orbit" you are thinking of. 2-3 Sensor boosters, you need the locking range and the locking speed. Some kind of tank so you have time to warp out, or if you have a death wish, use a Blackbird. Just what i tink And for GODs SAKE, USE T2. Tashiell Gao, Minmatar Inside.
SitRep Caldari	Posted - 2008.07.21 16:34:00 - [26] Afternoon bump.
MaidMarion Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.07.21 17:11:00 - [27] Originally by: SitRep Why use T2 stuff on such easy to destroy ship? Just because its easy to destroy doesnt mean you are relegated to using substandard t1 mods if you can afford t2. Fit for effectiveness - only enhance its primary role with t2. I fit a throw away griffin, using t2 ecm, why? t1 sucks and top named too expensive.
Beltantis Torrence	Posted - 2008.07.21 17:34:00 - [28] Ok so potential four setups for a Caracal are as follows : 1) "Sniper caracal", heavy missiles + damps, no tank, MWD. Honestly, I don't care much for this as keeping range is tough, you need tackler support, missiles take a really long time to fly out 100km, can't hit anything smaller than a cruiser for any real damage. 2) Short range "HAM" fleet caracal. Heavy assaults + shield extenders, BCU's, meant to provide DPS support against cruisers and larger in medium range fleet fights. 3) "Solo" anti-frigate Caracal. T2 webber or 2x T1 webber, 1x disruptor, assault missile launchers and warp core stab (use explosive/thermal missiles to deal with high kinetic resist AF's). This is what I fly when I fly solo since a Caracal isn't really a match for cruisers like Thorax's. Basically to solo against cruiser & larger with HAMs you won't be able to fit a tank so they'll probably just win. Caracal isn't bad at killing inty's, suicide tacklers and AF's though. Basically need to just make sure that you can get them webbed enough that they can't fly out of web range, sit on top of them and kill them with assaults (smaller explosion radius than heavy missiles/heavy assault missiles). 4) Solo heavy caracal. Basically HAMs + disruptor + web, honestly not a great fit unless you can really restrict your fights (because you can't fit a big enough tank with ewar). Assuming you use explosive missiles & T2 kinetic hardeners you might be able to outtank a Thorax but even that's unlikely. If you're lucky you might be able to use a T2 webber or double webs to keep him outside of blaster range, that's much easier to do if its a 1600mm platerax with small blasters as you might still eat some damage 9KM out against medium blasters.
SitRep Caldari	Posted - 2008.07.21 17:45:00 - [29] Little in-depth loadout of variant 3? 5x Assault Missile Launchers II (Precision or fury, or maybe standart?) 1x T2 Disruptor 1x T2 Webber 3x Tank of some sort ( which? 2x Invul Fields with a Medium SB? Or maybe Sensor booster followed with hardners?) 1x BCU II ( I presume? ) 1x Warp Core Stab (With it reducing your locking range I assume using Fury missiles would be better? How much damage would it cause to tacklers/frigates/cruisers with Fury missiles considering my support missile skills mostly being maxed out at the moment AND being maxed out in near future? Read OP for my skill list.)
Maeltstome Minmatar Suicidal Office Clerks	Posted - 2008.07.21 18:01:00 - [30] Originally by: SitRep Originally by: Arvald Originally by: Gypsio III Quote: The trouble with cheap caldari cruisers is that Caldari ships require both pilot and FC to be competent in using specialised ships in a balanced gang. But cheap caldari cruisers are not used by such people. They're used by inexperienced pilots with inexperienced FCs. This is a very good description of the problem, actually. Meanwhile, here's a useful Caracal fit: 5x AML IIs with precision lights MWD, tank or ewar 2x BCS II Effective frigate killer. Can damage/drive off unpimped interceptors. in small gangs your fc will want your children when you bring this, jstu take out all the tacklers Looks like something I would like to do, how well can it deal damage against bigger targets though? Thankyou& keep em' coming :) One of my corp mates done the math on this 1-2 years ago - said that heavies do more damage than lights against frigs in any situation where they are not outrunning the damage (which is really only ceptors). ------- [12:07] w33Daz: a trained 1 skill fur 24 mins n it took 2 days aff drones lvl 5 [12:07] w33Daz: A WIS LIKE WTF

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