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AstroPhobic
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.07.19 20:10:00 -
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Don't want to sound rude or anything, but what does this offer over EFT? When there's a largely accepted fit tool out there, it's hard to make it "better" - does it have DPS graphs, comparative stuff, how's the GUI etc.
Will check it out though.
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AstroPhobic
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.07.19 20:33:00 -
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 Originally by: Riho
Originally by: AstroPhobic
Don't want to sound rude or anything, but what does this offer over EFT? When there's a largely accepted fit tool out there, it's hard to make it "better" - does it have DPS graphs, comparative stuff, how's the GUI etc.
Will check it out though.
same could be said about windows vs linux/mac
all are operating systems... but its the users choise what to use.
so he developes hes own tool... lets see if it can be made to compete whit EFT
Not really, it's more like an ipod. It pretty much has one function, and because EFT is the widely accepted, working version of the product, others should have advantages over it (price, acessories, usability, storage etc etc) which will translate into features, interface, usability, etc etc. Why should I make the switch from EFT?
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AstroPhobic
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.07.19 20:43:00 -
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Originally by: Boz Well
Derailing quickly, but lots of people own non-ipod mp3 players.  They're all a bit different, and which you prefer is up to the person. Right off the bat, one nice thing about this is it's written in Java, and so it's not OS specific. I haven't gotten to try it yet, but nothing wrong with choice. Were this project to be made open-source and bring the community into the development, that'd definitely win points in my book, haha.
Right, it's hard to find a good analogy. A lot of people own non-ipod MP3s because of price etc.. but even so, if everyone got a free ipod when they were released, how many people would own non-ipod MP3s? The answer is probably very little. Because you can just download EFT for free, and a good portion of the eve community already owning and being used to EFT, it would need to be a convincing new application to make a switch.
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AstroPhobic
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.07.19 23:42:00 -
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Originally by: skuko
dude like, WTF? this person is asking for suggestions, criticism and stuff, and you ask about what more does this offer over EFT? what kind of crap is this? you wanna try it out? go ahead and download it. you don't? then don't. not like any1 is forcing you to. both EFT and this are free, the is no competition, except maybe for personal satisfaction of the author. why do you keep making analogies with freakin' COMMERCIAL PRODUCTS? i mean, come on....
OP: i'll check it out and give feedback when i get home....
How many programs have you created? Software? I'm not saying what he's doing is wrong, I'm saying that his application should offer something different or better. If someone gives you a laptop.. and then hands you a calculator, which is going to be more useful to you? I'm not saying his program is useless or that it's wasted time at all, it's just... pointless to spend time making an EFT replica. I commend him for taking the time and effort to help the playerbase, but if it's not going to offer anything new/better, then he should either head in a new direction or stop development.
Now what boz says about open source.. this could be a good thing when combined with things like combat sims (kind of what liang had in mind).
OP said he wanted feedback and this is my feedback. Why should I bother if it doesn't offer anything new or better?
@ Boz: I didn't mean the other MP3's would cost money... well forget it. The whole commercial scheme has nothing to do with it.
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AstroPhobic
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.07.20 00:09:00 -
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Well sure, and using java is a leg up. I can see it coming across as rude, (see my initial post), but I'd personally be pretty ****ed if I spent a couple months making a program that nobody would use, because they were already accustomed to the old one. Perhaps it was too negative. Instead, I encourage the OP to do different things - make add ons available to the setup, maybe a combat sim, make it easy to export graphs to excel or other things. I'm a big fan of open source too, there's some talented people out here that can help you make the best program, which is ultimately the goal, no?
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AstroPhobic
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.07.20 00:41:00 -
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A few other ideas. I have limited (1 year) course in java... so, I have no idea how easy/hard this stuff is. A lot of it seems like just a lot of database stuff to go through, and this is where open-source excels.
-What the modules, ammo, etc reprocess into with max skills (should be in the item DB under build materials)
-How much stuff costs (get a feed from eve central average selling price?)
-Easily importable/exportable setups (like EFT)
-Damage types dealt by factions. Include the damage types dealt by the "elite" (HACs, 34k frigates etc) as a seperate item.
-Rat resistances! Perhaps an average, and again an "elite" average.
-A primitive version of grismar's ore calculator, etc
-Maybe a mission database? (Yay open sourcing!)
-Combat sim
-Easy API importing (see EFT)
-Make it easy to duplicate a character so you can make a "future" you to see what you'll be able to do in 2 months.
-Include a damage over range graph at the bottom of the setup
-Allow setup "variations" - kind of similar to copying a setup on EFT, but comparable
-Direction Comparisons of ships
-Give us a cargohold to see (with ammo) how many cap boosters can fit
-Use that number of cap boosters in the sim
etc etc... I'm sure I could go on forever.
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AstroPhobic
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.07.20 01:11:00 -
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I'm sure a few people wouldn't mind fitting some database info into pre-set code. Just give them a notepad with what the code would look like, and then let them fill in the blanks. Personally I would love to help if you go through with some of these ideas. I'm very limited when it comes to coding (if (boolean = false); x=0), however I tend to be pretty good at aesthetics and interface interaction.
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AstroPhobic
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.07.20 14:59:00 -
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By a graph at the bottom I mean a tiny thing, you know. One that would show damage/range against a non-moving titan. Yes, big illustrius graphs of various types would be awesome, but it would be nice to check your damage at range at a glance instead of working out all the damage/range calculations yourself. 
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