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biggeruniverse Gallente Little Fuzzy Creatures of Mayhem and Destruction DEFI4NT	Posted - 2008.07.19 18:52:00 - [1] Well, here it is. I had wanted to wait until an official data dump was available, but it seems that will not be until the next patch. So, I have a slightly older datadump powering a feature-incomplete version of TightFit- version 0.1.3a. I would very much appreciate constructive comments and suggestions, so that I can have a much more robust version available when the datadump comes out. If there is anything missing, please first check the TODO file and see if I'm already aware of the problem. If you see me online, feel free to pm me and tell me what you think. TightFit Download P.S. If you hate TightFit and think I'm a loser, then I hope you can see this, because I'm doing it as hard as I can.
Boz Well	Posted - 2008.07.19 18:54:00 - [2] Cool. I'll check it out.
Riho Gallente Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.07.19 20:06:00 - [3] lets see... space reserved ---------------------------------- Fighting for Minmatar o7 Yes... this is my main. Extreme Troll Slayer...
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.07.19 20:10:00 - [4] Don't want to sound rude or anything, but what does this offer over EFT? When there's a largely accepted fit tool out there, it's hard to make it "better" - does it have DPS graphs, comparative stuff, how's the GUI etc. Will check it out though.
Valandril Caldari Exiled. Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.07.19 20:13:00 - [5] Reserving 4th post in first page ---
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.07.19 20:15:00 - [6] Edited by: Chainsaw Plankton on 19/07/2008 20:15:40 **** yeah Mooninites!!!! ░░░░░░░░█▀▀▀█▄░░░░█▀▀▀█░░░░░░░░ ░░░░░░░░█░░░░█░▄▄▄█░░░█░░░░░░░░ ░░░░░█▀▀▀░░░░▀▀▀░░░░░░█░░░░░█░░ ░░░░░█░░░░░▄▄░░░▄▄░░░░█░░░░░█░░ ░░░░░█▄░░▄██▀░░░▀██▄░░█░░░▀███▀ ░░░░░░█░██▀▄▄░░░▄▄▀██░█░░░░██░░ ░░░░░░█░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░█▄▄▄██░░░ ░░▄▄▄▄█░░░░▄▄▄▄▄▄▄░░░░█▀▀▀▀░░░░ ▄██▀█░░░░░░▀▀▀▀▀▀▀░░░░█░░░░░░░░ ██░░█░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░█░░░░░░░ ██░░█░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░█░░░░░░░ ░░░░█▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄█░░░░░░░ ░░░░░░░▄▄▄▄██░░░██▄▄▄░░░░░░░░░░ ░░░░░░░▀▀▀▀▀▀░░░▀▀▀▀▀░░░░░░░░░░ ░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░ dammit its all squished
an internet Tibet Autonomous Region	Posted - 2008.07.19 20:20:00 - [7] Originally by: AstroPhobic Don't want to sound rude or anything, but what does this offer over EFT? When there's a largely accepted fit tool out there, it's hard to make it "better" - does it have DPS graphs, comparative stuff, how's the GUI etc. Will check it out though. This person has a point - can you give a detailed listing of features?
NoNah	Posted - 2008.07.19 20:21:00 - [8] Screenshot, language, source, featurelist, ToDo-list, known issues, platform and I'm all happy - as long as it's provided before downloaded. =) Parrots, commence! Postcount: 870009
Riho Gallente Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.07.19 20:24:00 - [9] Originally by: AstroPhobic Don't want to sound rude or anything, but what does this offer over EFT? When there's a largely accepted fit tool out there, it's hard to make it "better" - does it have DPS graphs, comparative stuff, how's the GUI etc. Will check it out though. same could be said about windows vs linux/mac all are operating systems... but its the users choise what to use. so he developes hes own tool... lets see if it can be made to compete whit EFT ---------------------------------- Fighting for Minmatar o7 Yes... this is my main. Extreme Troll Slayer...
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.07.19 20:33:00 - [10] Originally by: Riho Originally by: AstroPhobic Don't want to sound rude or anything, but what does this offer over EFT? When there's a largely accepted fit tool out there, it's hard to make it "better" - does it have DPS graphs, comparative stuff, how's the GUI etc. Will check it out though. same could be said about windows vs linux/mac all are operating systems... but its the users choise what to use. so he developes hes own tool... lets see if it can be made to compete whit EFT Not really, it's more like an ipod. It pretty much has one function, and because EFT is the widely accepted, working version of the product, others should have advantages over it (price, acessories, usability, storage etc etc) which will translate into features, interface, usability, etc etc. Why should I make the switch from EFT?

Lubomir Penev interimo	Posted - 2008.07.19 20:38:00 - [11] This is quite good and very promising. The only remarks so far since I didn't play with it for long is that some ability to sort modules on some criteria, mostly fittings and meta level would be welcomed. Lexical order just don't cut it. -- Coming to you, Assault Ships fix, by the people saying that the Gallente Recons are fine.
Boz Well	Posted - 2008.07.19 20:38:00 - [12] Originally by: AstroPhobic Originally by: Riho Originally by: AstroPhobic Don't want to sound rude or anything, but what does this offer over EFT? When there's a largely accepted fit tool out there, it's hard to make it "better" - does it have DPS graphs, comparative stuff, how's the GUI etc. Will check it out though. same could be said about windows vs linux/mac all are operating systems... but its the users choise what to use. so he developes hes own tool... lets see if it can be made to compete whit EFT Not really, it's more like an ipod. It pretty much has one function, and because EFT is the widely accepted, working version of the product, others should have advantages over it (price, acessories, usability, storage etc etc) which will translate into features, interface, usability, etc etc. Why should I make the switch from EFT? Derailing quickly, but lots of people own non-ipod mp3 players. They're all a bit different, and which you prefer is up to the person. Right off the bat, one nice thing about this is it's written in Java, and so it's not OS specific. I haven't gotten to try it yet, but nothing wrong with choice. Were this project to be made open-source and bring the community into the development, that'd definitely win points in my book, haha.
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.07.19 20:43:00 - [13] Originally by: Boz Well Derailing quickly, but lots of people own non-ipod mp3 players. They're all a bit different, and which you prefer is up to the person. Right off the bat, one nice thing about this is it's written in Java, and so it's not OS specific. I haven't gotten to try it yet, but nothing wrong with choice. Were this project to be made open-source and bring the community into the development, that'd definitely win points in my book, haha. Right, it's hard to find a good analogy. A lot of people own non-ipod MP3s because of price etc.. but even so, if everyone got a free ipod when they were released, how many people would own non-ipod MP3s? The answer is probably very little. Because you can just download EFT for free, and a good portion of the eve community already owning and being used to EFT, it would need to be a convincing new application to make a switch.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.07.19 20:55:00 - [14] Originally by: AstroPhobic Originally by: Boz Well Derailing quickly, but lots of people own non-ipod mp3 players. They're all a bit different, and which you prefer is up to the person. Right off the bat, one nice thing about this is it's written in Java, and so it's not OS specific. I haven't gotten to try it yet, but nothing wrong with choice. Were this project to be made open-source and bring the community into the development, that'd definitely win points in my book, haha. Right, it's hard to find a good analogy. A lot of people own non-ipod MP3s because of price etc.. but even so, if everyone got a free ipod when they were released, how many people would own non-ipod MP3s? The answer is probably very little. Because you can just download EFT for free, and a good portion of the eve community already owning and being used to EFT, it would need to be a convincing new application to make a switch. are the other mp3 players free? cuz **** ipods. If i could just drag and drop music onto it I would be all over it, but itunes
Boz Well	Posted - 2008.07.19 22:03:00 - [15] Originally by: AstroPhobic Originally by: Boz Well Derailing quickly, but lots of people own non-ipod mp3 players. They're all a bit different, and which you prefer is up to the person. Right off the bat, one nice thing about this is it's written in Java, and so it's not OS specific. I haven't gotten to try it yet, but nothing wrong with choice. Were this project to be made open-source and bring the community into the development, that'd definitely win points in my book, haha. Right, it's hard to find a good analogy. A lot of people own non-ipod MP3s because of price etc.. but even so, if everyone got a free ipod when they were released, how many people would own non-ipod MP3s? The answer is probably very little. Because you can just download EFT for free, and a good portion of the eve community already owning and being used to EFT, it would need to be a convincing new application to make a switch. Your analogy is still broken Astro. You're asking if Ipods were free, yet the other mp3 players cost money, would people own non-ipods? I think you can see the problem there. If you're asking if they're both free, would people own non-ipods, I think the answer is of course they would. While Apple certainly has a strong brand in its ipod/itunes/other icrap products, they certainly don't have a monopoly, and there are plenty of competitive products that compete on more than simply price. If you look at the mp3 player market, there are lots of products that cost the same price as an ipod and they still sell. A proper analogy is to look at the various pieces of free software available. Hell, look at Linux distributions. Almost every linux geek will swear by his favorite distro, but there's certainly a selection of products and each has its own look and feel, and there are some functional differences as well. Just because there's one established produce, even if it's free, it does not follow that no other products can enter into the market and compete with that product.
Riho Gallente Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.07.19 22:13:00 - [16] Originally by: AstroPhobic Not really, it's more like an ipod. It pretty much has one function, and because EFT is the widely accepted, working version of the product, others should have advantages over it (price, acessories, usability, storage etc etc) which will translate into features, interface, usability, etc etc. Why should I make the switch from EFT? i guess i can agree whit this :) i used to own 3 different MP 3 players before i got a Ipod... and after i got ipod.. i really dont care if there are any others :P yeah EFT is the king atm... but lets see where the creater goes whit this one... some day it might have something EFT does not :) when EFT came out alot of ppl asked why should they use it instead of Quickfit.. but in the end it was just better.... better interface, faster and so on. ---------------------------------- Fighting for Minmatar o7 Yes... this is my main. Extreme Troll Slayer...
skuko Caldari	Posted - 2008.07.19 22:32:00 - [17] Originally by: AstroPhobic Originally by: Riho Originally by: AstroPhobic Don't want to sound rude or anything, but what does this offer over EFT? When there's a largely accepted fit tool out there, it's hard to make it "better" - does it have DPS graphs, comparative stuff, how's the GUI etc. Will check it out though. same could be said about windows vs linux/mac all are operating systems... but its the users choise what to use. so he developes hes own tool... lets see if it can be made to compete whit EFT Not really, it's more like an ipod. It pretty much has one function, and because EFT is the widely accepted, working version of the product, others should have advantages over it (price, acessories, usability, storage etc etc) which will translate into features, interface, usability, etc etc. Why should I make the switch from EFT? dude like, WTF? this person is asking for suggestions, criticism and stuff, and you ask about what more does this offer over EFT? what kind of crap is this? you wanna try it out? go ahead and download it. you don't? then don't. not like any1 is forcing you to. both EFT and this are free, the is no competition, except maybe for personal satisfaction of the author. why do you keep making analogies with freakin' COMMERCIAL PRODUCTS? i mean, come on.... OP: i'll check it out and give feedback when i get home....
Kalliopia	Posted - 2008.07.19 22:37:00 - [18] seems to be a lot of nice work gone to waste. shame the text is so-o-o-o small and poorly legible. all that wasted space in the panels showing ships and such could be better used for improved readability. why design an app for an 800 x 600 screen/monitor size display, and then waste so much of that real estate area, when the intended audience will, for 90% of the market, be using much larger displays ??? (unless that IS the point?!? if I use a 52" plasma and then the text size will be in my face - but I don't, I use a 'regular' 17/19 combo and so the text size sucks). at least take a leaf out of the eve type sites and enhance text contrast.
Constance Harme	Posted - 2008.07.19 22:42:00 - [19] I like it, but why does the heat dissipation amp II also give a massive boost to thermal resistance?
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.07.19 23:21:00 - [20] Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton dammit its all squished Not squished anymore : Linkage _ THE APPRENTICE \|\| mineral balance \|\| nanofix

Hesod Adee Militants of Xen	Posted - 2008.07.19 23:39:00 - [21] Originally by: Boz Well A proper analogy is to look at the various pieces of free software available. Hell, look at Linux distributions. Almost every linux geek will swear by his favorite distro, but there's certainly a selection of products and each has its own look and feel, and there are some functional differences as well. Just because there's one established produce, even if it's free, it does not follow that no other products can enter into the market and compete with that product. And those people will be able to say what their preferred distro has that the others don't. But we talking about complete distros there, while TightFit isn't completed yet. So what will TightFit offer, when finished, that EFT doesn't ?
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.07.19 23:42:00 - [22] Originally by: skuko dude like, WTF? this person is asking for suggestions, criticism and stuff, and you ask about what more does this offer over EFT? what kind of crap is this? you wanna try it out? go ahead and download it. you don't? then don't. not like any1 is forcing you to. both EFT and this are free, the is no competition, except maybe for personal satisfaction of the author. why do you keep making analogies with freakin' COMMERCIAL PRODUCTS? i mean, come on.... OP: i'll check it out and give feedback when i get home.... How many programs have you created? Software? I'm not saying what he's doing is wrong, I'm saying that his application should offer something different or better. If someone gives you a laptop.. and then hands you a calculator, which is going to be more useful to you? I'm not saying his program is useless or that it's wasted time at all, it's just... pointless to spend time making an EFT replica. I commend him for taking the time and effort to help the playerbase, but if it's not going to offer anything new/better, then he should either head in a new direction or stop development. Now what boz says about open source.. this could be a good thing when combined with things like combat sims (kind of what liang had in mind). OP said he wanted feedback and this is my feedback. Why should I bother if it doesn't offer anything new or better? @ Boz: I didn't mean the other MP3's would cost money... well forget it. The whole commercial scheme has nothing to do with it.
Boz Well	Posted - 2008.07.19 23:55:00 - [23] Edited by: Boz Well on 20/07/2008 00:02:15 Originally by: Hesod Adee Originally by: Boz Well A proper analogy is to look at the various pieces of free software available. Hell, look at Linux distributions. Almost every linux geek will swear by his favorite distro, but there's certainly a selection of products and each has its own look and feel, and there are some functional differences as well. Just because there's one established produce, even if it's free, it does not follow that no other products can enter into the market and compete with that product. And those people will be able to say what their preferred distro has that the others don't. But we talking about complete distros there, while TightFit isn't completed yet. So what will TightFit offer, when finished, that EFT doesn't ? I typed out a long post, but no point ranting here and derailing it more. Suffice to say, I think it's fine to ask what features it will have when finished, but I think it's pretty rude for people to expect the OP to write them a detailed explanation of why they should his use product over EFT. He's donating his work to the community, use it if you want to, contribute if you can. While he knows what features he's already written and hasn't released, the ultimate list of features is known only to Madame Cleo and will depend ultimately on how much time he invests in this, what suggestions people make, how much the community can/will contribute, etc. As a final note, my suggestion would be to either make this truly a community project (i.e. open source it/allow contributions from the community), or make it modular, in the sense that you create an API to allow the community to write add-ons for your software (Java is very slick at this type of thing). That way, if someone wants a graphing utility, that can be written as an add-on, and more importantly it allows everyone to contribute, rather than just barrage the OP with suggestions, haha. Just my $0.02. Edit: My not-as-long post is getting longer in response to Astro While I think there are some perfectly valid comparisons to be drawn to commercial products such as iPods, I'm going to spare you my thoughts on that in an attempt to not completely derail this, lol. Suffice to say, I still think freely-distributed products can compete with one another, even if the consumers don't have to pay for them. As far as something new/different, the one thing EFT lacks imo is a way for the community to contribute. In a lot of ways, heh, the same goes for EVE itself (if they'd write it so the community can create custom UI's, the UI might not suck as much as it does now). Were the OP to create a product that did essentially the same thing as EFT, but was written in Java (more friendly to linux/mac folks) and allowed, in one way or the other, for the community to contribute, then his product already has a leg-up on EFT in some ways.
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.07.20 00:09:00 - [24] Well sure, and using java is a leg up. I can see it coming across as rude, (see my initial post), but I'd personally be pretty ****ed if I spent a couple months making a program that nobody would use, because they were already accustomed to the old one. Perhaps it was too negative. Instead, I encourage the OP to do different things - make add ons available to the setup, maybe a combat sim, make it easy to export graphs to excel or other things. I'm a big fan of open source too, there's some talented people out here that can help you make the best program, which is ultimately the goal, no?
biggeruniverse Gallente Little Fuzzy Creatures of Mayhem and Destruction DEFI4NT	Posted - 2008.07.20 00:12:00 - [25] Edited by: biggeruniverse on 20/07/2008 00:12:49 Well, I see I've waited too long without replying. And I doubt Gripen currently has anything to worry about from TightFit. Kalliopia: I certainly see the problem with font and whitespace. The reason it's a certain size, and that's not changeable was really for ease of creating the UI. I also like the ideas about sorting, searching, and splitting up the modules differently. (thanks Riho) Constance: sounds like a bug, I'll look at it. >So what will TightFit offer, when finished, that EFT doesn't ? What would you like to see? Boz (et al): Let me hear proposals on releasing the source. I'm certainly not against it, but I want some equitable way of going about it. The biggest thing TightFit may ever have over EFT (and QuickFit) is readily available source. Astro: I was thinking of an RT combat sim module too
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.07.20 00:41:00 - [26] A few other ideas. I have limited (1 year) course in java... so, I have no idea how easy/hard this stuff is. A lot of it seems like just a lot of database stuff to go through, and this is where open-source excels. -What the modules, ammo, etc reprocess into with max skills (should be in the item DB under build materials) -How much stuff costs (get a feed from eve central average selling price?) -Easily importable/exportable setups (like EFT) -Damage types dealt by factions. Include the damage types dealt by the "elite" (HACs, 34k frigates etc) as a seperate item. -Rat resistances! Perhaps an average, and again an "elite" average. -A primitive version of grismar's ore calculator, etc -Maybe a mission database? (Yay open sourcing!) -Combat sim -Easy API importing (see EFT) -Make it easy to duplicate a character so you can make a "future" you to see what you'll be able to do in 2 months. -Include a damage over range graph at the bottom of the setup -Allow setup "variations" - kind of similar to copying a setup on EFT, but comparable -Direction Comparisons of ships -Give us a cargohold to see (with ammo) how many cap boosters can fit -Use that number of cap boosters in the sim etc etc... I'm sure I could go on forever.
biggeruniverse Gallente Little Fuzzy Creatures of Mayhem and Destruction DEFI4NT	Posted - 2008.07.20 01:05:00 - [27] A few other ideas. I have limited (1 year) course in java... so, I have no idea how easy/hard this stuff is. A lot of it seems like just a lot of database stuff to go through, and this is where open-source excels. -What the modules, ammo, etc reprocess into with max skills (should be in the item DB under build materials) not sure about this one -How much stuff costs (get a feed from eve central average selling price?) planned -Easily importable/exportable setups (like EFT) done (the dock/undock buttons by "strip fit") -Damage types dealt by factions. Include the damage types dealt by the "elite" (HACs, 34k frigates etc) as a seperate item. -Rat resistances! Perhaps an average, and again an "elite" average. -A primitive version of grismar's ore calculator, etc -Maybe a mission database? (Yay open sourcing!) interesting -Combat sim planned (this may require some of the above to be useful) -Easy API importing (see EFT) not sure what this would be for -Make it easy to duplicate a character so you can make a "future" you to see what you'll be able to do in 2 months. possibly, and actually I wanted to have a "Skill Plan export" for a fit, so that you can put that dream fit in EveMon and know how long you have -Include a damage over range graph at the bottom of the setup I like that -Allow setup "variations" - kind of similar to copying a setup on EFT, but comparable -Direction Comparisons of ships ok, the first maybe, the second I think is good -Give us a cargohold to see (with ammo) how many cap boosters can fit -Use that number of cap boosters in the sim etc etc... I'm sure I could go on forever. * * * * * heh. sounds good. Well, I'm waiting to see what the ideas about how to open the source are before going down that road. In the mean time (I hope it's not long) I will try to address everyone's suggestions and ideas. I haven't really seen any technical critiques yet, i.e., on whether the calculated stats are correct. Also unfortunately I don't keep a feature list current.
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.07.20 01:11:00 - [28] I'm sure a few people wouldn't mind fitting some database info into pre-set code. Just give them a notepad with what the code would look like, and then let them fill in the blanks. Personally I would love to help if you go through with some of these ideas. I'm very limited when it comes to coding (if (boolean = false); x=0), however I tend to be pretty good at aesthetics and interface interaction.
Artemis Rose Eleckrostatik	Posted - 2008.07.20 01:12:00 - [29] Good work, it looks very promising. Like the name __________________________________________________ Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine. WTB Purple Nerf Bat.
Boz Well	Posted - 2008.07.20 01:25:00 - [30] I may be able to help out some this fall. One reason I tend to like the idea of a community project is because so many people tend to want to work on these types of projects, heh. Just last week Liangbot posted about a project he is working on, and another guy posted there about a project he's got that's even further along (both in Python I think). The advantage to a single, well-administered community project would be to make good use of these efforts. Java really isn't limited at all for this sort of application (its main limitation imo is its inability to do truly low level things, and this is one reasonwhy C is still so common), and in fact Java excels for this sort of project (things like reflection allow you to easily create add-ons).

Arazel Chainfire The first genesis Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2008.07.20 04:03:00 - [31] Edited by: Arazel Chainfire on 20/07/2008 04:04:08 haven't looked at your program yet, but have looked through all the comments. Please feel free to correct me if any of what I say is wrong Quote: -Easy API importing (see EFT) not sure what this would be for easy API importing - basically, all we have to do is just go and plug in the information just like in eft, and when doing so it links us directly to the page that we would need to go to for that. Both EFT and EveMon have that, and from what I gather your's doesn't yet. Quote: -Include a damage over range graph at the bottom of the setup I like that ... this would probably be better as a seperate graph, not something at the bottom of the setup. This is mostly due to the differences that size makes on a target - i'm sure if you ask Liang can give you all the details , but a large turret against a battleship will have a different graph than one against a frigate. That being said, it could be possible to have the "optimal" dps graph, as long as you have a way to go and show a different graph for how that dps would work out against other targets that are moving differently. example eft's comparison chart - you can see how the dps graph changes according to the size of ship being targeted, as well as the speed both you and your target is moving. Quote: -Make it easy to duplicate a character so you can make a "future" you to see what you'll be able to do in 2 months. possibly, and actually I wanted to have a "Skill Plan export" for a fit, so that you can put that dream fit in EveMon and know how long you have nice idea - just don't make it too complicated. It really sucks when you start mixing up different characters and different stats - one of the things I don't currently like about EFT is that A. Stats aren't updated, you have to reload the character to show its current skills, and B. if I go to modify my character to see what it needs to fit equipment on one ship, and forget I did so and change it back, further shipfits will show the changed skills, not my current ones. If you can, keep the character updated like EveMon currently does, but allow modifications. example allow each character to have seperate tabs under it - it keeps its current skills, but if you wish to have say a 1 month tab, you can switch to that and it will have your main characters current skills, plus what you would like him to have in that 1 month. This would allow you to easily look between different skillsets you would need to effectively fly different ships, and help you decide which one you want to aim for first. Quote: -Damage types dealt by factions. Include the damage types dealt by the "elite" (HACs, 34k frigates etc) as a seperate item. -Rat resistances! Perhaps an average, and again an "elite" average. -A primitive version of grismar's ore calculator, etc -Maybe a mission database? (Yay open sourcing!) interesting nice idea... but will be difficult for one person to keep updated, especially the mission database. Possible if you open source it, but it would probably be easier to just include the damage delt by the opponent, as well as the resists of the opponents. Perhaps include a database of the different rats so you can see how your setup would deal with each one. Quote: -Combat sim planned (this may require some of the above to be useful) ... please explain what you mean by a combat sim. What would you want this to be able to do? On another note, can you add the ability to show for example, the amount of tank a ship has while being remote repaired? This could help for level 5 mission planning, or spidertank planning, but its something that I've had to do in my head all to often. And now, before I run out of space - thank you for doing this, and good luck with it. I hope it works out well -Arazel edit - fixed quoting issues and i talked way too much... Originally by: Tsanse Kinske Mutual Incomprehension is one of the Four Horsemen of most internet arguments, I guess, along with Unfettered Hostility, Overwhelming Vagueness, and Lack of Evidence.
biggeruniverse Gallente Little Fuzzy Creatures of Mayhem and Destruction DEFI4NT	Posted - 2008.07.20 05:00:00 - [32] Originally by: Arazel Chainfire Edited by: Arazel Chainfire on 20/07/2008 04:04:08 haven't looked at your program yet, but have looked through all the comments. Please feel free to correct me if any of what I say is wrong Well, download it then! Gawd! Quote: Quote: -Easy API importing (see EFT) not sure what this would be for easy API importing - basically, all we have to do is just go and plug in the information... Ah, I think I've grasped what everyone is talking about here. EVE API- and no TightFit can't do that yet, but next release will have it. Quote: ... this would probably be better as a seperate graph, not something at the bottom of the setup. This is mostly due to the differences that size makes on a target - i'm sure if you ask Liang can give you all the details , but a large turret against a battleship will have a different graph than one against a frigate. That being said, it could be possible to have the "optimal" dps graph, ... Ya, graphs are in the plan, but I have a lot of basic capabilities I want to get straightened out first. Graphs are probably a whole release unto themselves... Quote: Quote: possibly, and actually I wanted to have a "Skill Plan export" for a fit, so that you can put that dream fit in EveMon and know how long you have nice idea - just don't make it too complicated. It really sucks when you start mixing up different characters and different stats - one of the things I don't currently like about EFT is that A. Stats aren't updated, you have to reload the character to show its current skills, and B. if I go to modify my character to see what it needs to fit equipment on one ship, and forget I did so and change it back, further shipfits will show the changed skills, not my current ones. If you can, keep the character updated like EveMon currently does, but allow modifications. example allow each character to have seperate tabs under it - it keeps its current skills, but if you wish to have say a 1 month tab, you can switch to that and it will have your main characters current skills, plus what you would like him to have in that 1 month. This would allow you to easily look between different skillsets you would need to effectively fly different ships, and help you decide which one you want to aim for first. Hmm. Well, TightFit isn't going to be a character/skill plan tool, so I will probably only allow for a minimum of skill-related features. But I don't mind putting in the ability to do at least some of what you said. Quote: nice idea... but will be difficult for one person to keep updated, especially the mission database. Possible if you open source it, but it would probably be easier to just include the damage delt by the opponent, as well as the resists of the opponents. Perhaps include a database of the different rats so you can see how your setup would deal with each one. And you have a good point about a mission database. But really I haven't given this much thought- and at any rate it would be somewhere down the road. Quote: On another note, can you add the ability to show for example, the amount of tank a ship has while being remote repaired? This could help for level 5 mission planning, or spidertank planning, but its something that I've had to do in my head all to often. This does add some complexity, since there would have to be a dialog for setting up remote repping config, etc., but I do like it. Quote: And now, before I run out of space - thank you for doing this, and good luck with it. I hope it works out well Thanks. The influx of ideas and criticisms is really what I was hoping for. -bu
Tuvar Hiede Caldari Cold Suns Squadron	Posted - 2008.07.20 12:05:00 - [33] Your going to have to forgive noobness on this one, but how on earth do you get the goddamn thing to run? I want to try something other than EFT, cos its good and all, but not really all the great for me. little bit of help would be great.
biggeruniverse Gallente Little Fuzzy Creatures of Mayhem and Destruction DEFI4NT	Posted - 2008.07.20 13:10:00 - [34] Originally by: Tuvar Hiede Your going to have to forgive noobness on this one, but how on earth do you get the goddamn thing to run? I want to try something other than EFT, cos its good and all, but not really all the great for me. little bit of help would be great. No problem, and I'm sure you're not the only one. You'll need to get your hands on the Java JDK (in this case JDK 6 update 7) and install it. This should add a mime type association on Windows for .jar files, and then all you'll need to do is double-click the tightfit-0.1.3a.jar TightFit doesn't replace EFT yet, unless all you're doing are simple fits to check CPU/grid/cap balance -bu
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.07.20 14:59:00 - [35] By a graph at the bottom I mean a tiny thing, you know. One that would show damage/range against a non-moving titan. Yes, big illustrius graphs of various types would be awesome, but it would be nice to check your damage at range at a glance instead of working out all the damage/range calculations yourself.

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