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Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.07.20 11:06:00 - [1] Edited by: Sokratesz on 20/07/2008 11:13:23 [Phoenix, Oh Lawd] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Damage Control II Capital Shield Booster I Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Heat Dissipation Field II Ballistic Deflection Field II Photon Scattering Field II Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Siege Module I Citadel Torpedo Launcher I, Rift Torpedo I Citadel Torpedo Launcher I, Rift Torpedo I Citadel Torpedo Launcher I, Rift Torpedo I Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I 2.696 Million EHP 4556 DPS excl. drones Reasonably priced No other dread will come close to this DPS/EHP ratio. It's not meant to tank, its only purpose is to hit hard and live long in a supercap fight. I refuse to respect religious beliefs, and i refuse to respect people who hold them.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.07.20 11:15:00 - [2] Now, if only Citadel Torps could actually survive a couple of high-metalevel large smartbombs, they would be just peachy _ THE APPRENTICE \|\| mineral balance \|\| nanofix
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.07.20 11:18:00 - [3] Originally by: Akita T Now, if only Citadel Torps could actually survive a couple of high-metalevel large smartbombs, they would be just peachy Dreads dont fit smartbombs. MS and titans do, but they dont kill dreads. I refuse to respect religious beliefs, and i refuse to respect people who hold them.
NoNah	Posted - 2008.07.20 11:18:00 - [4] Oh Lawd! You dare say that caldari is useful for pvp? YOu'll be flamed to death - it clearly is not so. Now I just want to se faction torps being implented. Parrots, commence! Postcount: 300027
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.07.20 11:29:00 - [5] On further inspection, slight points of weakness detected, therefore... [Phoenix, Oh Lawd M.K.II] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Damage Control II Capital Shield Booster I Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Heat Dissipation Field II Ballistic Deflection Field II Photon Scattering Field II Sensor Booster II Siege Module I Citadel Torpedo Launcher I, Rift Torpedo I Citadel Torpedo Launcher I, Rift Torpedo I Citadel Torpedo Launcher I, Rift Torpedo I Core Defence Field Extender II Core Defence Field Extender II Core Defence Field Extender II + ZMX1000 + KVA2000 + ZET3000 + ZMM1000 = > 3.4 mil EHP and 5036 DPS Yeah, yeah, total, complete and absolute overkill on several counts, but if we're pushing the limits here... _ THE APPRENTICE \|\| mineral balance \|\| nanofix
McDonALTs	Posted - 2008.07.20 11:35:00 - [6] Originally by: Sokratesz Originally by: Akita T Now, if only Citadel Torps could actually survive a couple of high-metalevel large smartbombs, they would be just peachy Dreads dont fit smartbombs. MS and titans do, but they dont kill dreads. Incorrect. In every major capfight with people with a clue, Smartbombing carriers with t1 or t2 smarts cover dreads which instagank all enemy fighters and citidel torps. Which is why people avoid pheoxis to prevent their own torps from being shot down. Thats why RA/AAA/Bob etc use minimum of pheonix.
Tashiell Gao Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.07.20 11:48:00 - [7] What does Caldari have? We have Achuuuuuura! Tashiell Gao, Minmatar Inside.
NoNah	Posted - 2008.07.20 11:56:00 - [8] Originally by: Akita T On further inspection, slight points of weakness detected, therefore... [Phoenix, Oh Lawd M.K.II] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Damage Control II Capital Shield Booster I Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Heat Dissipation Field II Ballistic Deflection Field II Photon Scattering Field II Sensor Booster II Siege Module I Citadel Torpedo Launcher I, Rift Torpedo I Citadel Torpedo Launcher I, Rift Torpedo I Citadel Torpedo Launcher I, Rift Torpedo I Core Defence Field Extender II Core Defence Field Extender II Core Defence Field Extender II + ZMX1000 + KVA2000 + ZET3000 + ZMM1000 = > 3.4 mil EHP and 5036 DPS Yeah, yeah, total, complete and absolute overkill on several counts, but if we're pushing the limits here... Wouldn't this remove the reasonably priced argument and be like twice the cost of replacement compared to above setup? Parrots, commence! Postcount: 796371
Felix Dzerzhinsky Caldari Wreckless Abandon Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.07.20 11:59:00 - [9] not enough calibration for a 3 T2 rigs. . . anyway, I suppose if you are going to use a dread like this in a supercap slug it would be great. . .but I am feeling some resistance. In theory its great, but I don't know about practice. Lets see some vids of you taking down a supercap in this (which will have Smart Bombs saddly). ---- GO BLUE!!
forum mematar	Posted - 2008.07.20 12:19:00 - [10] Edited by: forum mematar on 20/07/2008 12:19:41 Originally by: Felix Dzerzhinsky not enough calibration for a 3 T2 rigs. . . WTS: Clue ---

Anubis Xian Reavers	Posted - 2008.07.20 12:28:00 - [11] Originally by: Tashiell Gao What does Caldari have? We have Achuuuuuura! Khanid is better. Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal. I'm the Juggernaut, *****!
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.07.20 13:29:00 - [12] Originally by: NoNah Wouldn't this remove the reasonably priced argument and be like twice the cost of replacement compared to above setup? Weeeeeell, when in doubt, just go with the implants only The rest of the "stuff" only affected EHP... and granted, only 30-ish-% more EHP is not a good reason for double price. But then again, you could drop the CN BCUs too and get T2s instead, get it even cheaper, and just use the cash for the implants (which with a bit of luck you'd actually get to keep even if you go "boom" (and then again, 3% implants are almost as good, but so many times cheaper). _ THE APPRENTICE \|\| mineral balance \|\| nanofix
agent apple FIRMA	Posted - 2008.07.20 14:07:00 - [13] You need to check BOB, RA, Goons kb more often and realise this has been the norm for a long long time, Outside of EFT you will want to hit 75% cap from jump in in <20m, drop 2 BCU to PDU, drop kin to cap recharger. You'll still be the slowest cap recharging dread on the field but you'll at least have some sort of survivable time frame to jump if needed. Your EHP is still 2.6m and your alpha is still good.
Deva Blackfire D00M.	Posted - 2008.07.20 15:14:00 - [14] Originally by: Akita T Originally by: NoNah Wouldn't this remove the reasonably priced argument and be like twice the cost of replacement compared to above setup? Weeeeeell, when in doubt, just go with the implants only The rest of the "stuff" only affected EHP... and granted, only 30-ish-% more EHP is not a good reason for double price. But then again, you could drop the CN BCUs too and get T2s instead, get it even cheaper, and just use the cash for the implants (which with a bit of luck you'd actually get to keep even if you go "boom" (and then again, 3% implants are almost as good, but so many times cheaper). CPU issues with t2 BCUs?
ElCoCo KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.20 18:39:00 - [15] If you were to train just for a dread, no sane person would train for anything other than a revelation. The numbers you're quoting are um, applicable for (percentage out of my a$$ incoming!) the 5% of the situations a dread would be used for. Hit hard and live long in a supercap fight? Yeah that's like an every day affair Boink!
Carniflex Caldari StarHunt Fallout Project	Posted - 2008.07.20 19:27:00 - [16] In my opinion Sokratez has quite reasonable fit. While CN/Dread invuls are very good they are a bit too expencive for fights where you actually might die. You are better off using that isk you would use to buy one to insure your dread before risky battle. For BCU's while their price compared to hull is negliable I think that 3x CN would be quite reasonable and 4th might be as well T2 bcos of stacking penalty. That 2.5 % extra damage over T2 drops to under 1% when stacked so many times. If CPU is issue then CN damage specific hardener might offer cheaper cpu saving than CN bcu. Hardwires are ofc very reasonable. Those that work on dreads that is.
Vaal Erit Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.07.20 20:50:00 - [17] Are you kidding? All of the dreads can get close to that EHP/DPS. Fit short range XL guns and passive tank them, I think even the Nagl can pull over 4k DPS and over 2M EHP. Oh and when you clear the dreads and only the enemy MS/carriers are left, you will sure curse your dumb Phoenix fleet for being useless. -- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Carniflex Caldari StarHunt Fallout Project	Posted - 2008.07.20 21:05:00 - [18] Originally by: Vaal Erit Are you kidding? All of the dreads can get close to that EHP/DPS. Fit short range XL guns and passive tank them, I think even the Nagl can pull over 4k DPS and over 2M EHP. Oh and when you clear the dreads and only the enemy MS/carriers are left, you will sure curse your dumb Phoenix fleet for being useless. Those close range guns are useless at pos spanking while phoenix can engage reliably above that 120 km mark from tower where short range guns on pos will hurt. When there is only MS/Carriers left then your opponent has already lost and your job is done. Well sort of. Yeah - smartbombs can kill citadels, thats the main drawback on phoenix. Altho my first comment was not aimed at phoenix, as reasonably good dread but more on CN invul vs Tech 2 invul part of the fit. Phoenix is good dread for POS shooting, against other capitals gun based dread with short range guns is superior bcos smartbombs dont disable those.
Viper ShizzIe The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.07.20 22:01:00 - [19] Edited by: Viper **zIe on 20/07/2008 22:06:22 Originally by: Sokratesz [Phoenix, Oh Lawd] Needs more CCCs, I heard they're better on the Phoenix.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.07.20 22:13:00 - [20] Originally by: Viper **zIe Edited by: Viper **zIe on 20/07/2008 22:06:22 Originally by: Sokratesz [Phoenix, Oh Lawd] Needs more CCCs, I heard they're better on the Phoenix. You want a cookie? It's quite common for sensible people to change their opinion based on properly presented arguments and reasoning. Originally by: Vaal Erit Are you kidding? All of the dreads can get close to that EHP/DPS. Fit short range XL guns and passive tank them, I think even the Nagl can pull over 4k DPS and over 2M EHP. Oh and when you clear the dreads and only the enemy MS/carriers are left, you will sure curse your dumb Phoenix fleet for being useless. Post with your main. Also, wtb stats that prove anything you claim. Hint: closerange dreads have, well, 'range' problems. I refuse to respect religious beliefs, and i refuse to respect people who hold them.

BiggestT Caldari Fun Inc	Posted - 2008.07.21 06:34:00 - [21] Originally by: Sokratesz Dreads dont fit smartbombs. MS and titans do, but they dont kill dreads. never one to flame sokratesz but... some carriers fit smartbombs to stop death-by-citadel only turning them on when fighters have been deployed etc, that is on the rare occasion u see them outside of a pos bubble poudly annoying fc's since 2007
Vaal Erit Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.07.21 08:09:00 - [22] Your job is certainly NOT done with MS/carriers on the field. You don't want to kill the enemy carriers and motherships? What? Lots of people blob with carriers, I'm sure you have fought carrier blobage. You didn't say anything about range, you stated EHP/DPS. I personally know competent cov ops/force recon pilots that can get me good warp ins. Using a short range dread gun fleet on top of a long range dread fleet shooting a POS is an advantage of epic proportions. Just imagine if you dropped 20 gank megas on 20 sniping megas. Fine, let's EFT *****. Moros(God, you are even using all skills at level V, don't you troll people who do that on SHC?): [Moros, New Setup 1] Armor Thermic Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Explosive Hardener II Capital Armor Repairer I Damage Control II Shadow Serpentis Magnetic Field Stabilizer Shadow Serpentis Magnetic Field Stabilizer Sensor Booster II Heat Dissipation Field II Photon Scattering Field II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Ion Siege Blaster Cannon I, Antimatter Charge XL Ion Siege Blaster Cannon I, Antimatter Charge XL Ion Siege Blaster Cannon I, Antimatter Charge XL Siege Module I Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I 4735 DPS excluding drones 2.64M EHP Rev: [Revelation, New Setup 1] Armor Thermic Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Explosive Hardener II Damage Control II Capital Armor Repairer I Amarr Navy Heat Sink Amarr Navy Heat Sink Amarr Navy Heat Sink Sensor Booster II Heat Dissipation Field II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Dual Giga Pulse Laser I, Multifrequency XL Dual Giga Pulse Laser I, Multifrequency XL Dual Giga Pulse Laser I, Multifrequency XL Siege Module I Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I 4924 DPS excluding drones 2.47M EHP Nagl(clearly showing why it is the worst dread with needing almost 2x co-proc IIs): [Naglfar, New Setup 1] Co-Processor II Adaptive Nano Plating II Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Damage Control II Photon Scattering Field II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Sensor Booster II Capital Shield Booster I Siege Module I 6x2500mm Repeating Artillery I, EMP XL 6x2500mm Repeating Artillery I, EMP XL Citadel Torpedo Launcher I, Thor Torpedo I Citadel Torpedo Launcher I, Thor Torpedo I Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I 4490 DPS excluding drones and 2.19M EHP Nagl and Rev can hit pretty damn good @ 30km while the moros needs to be right on top of people. Do EFT PvP all you want, the fact is that at 60km, your Phoenixfleet is taking 60 seconds for the first wave of torps to hit while my Moros/Rev fleet right on top of the enemies will be working on the secondary. -- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.07.21 10:19:00 - [23] Originally by: Vaal Erit Moros(God, you are even using all skills at level V, don't you troll people who do that on SHC?): Excuse me? I never go there. And the range most definetly is a problem. Caps can easily be bumped miles away and then your clsoerange gankfit suddenly isn't as great anymore. I'm just saying that in a major capital engagement your first job is to kill enemy dreads as they pose the most real threat against your own dreads. Carriers and supercaps are secondary. I refuse to respect religious beliefs, and i refuse to respect people who hold them.
Feinrig	Posted - 2008.07.21 18:58:00 - [24] [Phoenix, DMG] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Damage Control II Capital Shield Booster I Gist C-Type Photon Scattering Field Gist C-Type Heat Dissipation Field Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Gist C-Type Ballistic Deflection Field [empty med slot] Siege Module I Citadel Torpedo Launcher I, Rift Torpedo I Citadel Torpedo Launcher I, Rift Torpedo I Citadel Torpedo Launcher I, Rift Torpedo I Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I 49.25 CPU left 117490 Power left Gist are quite cheap, you can get a whole set for 100 mil. On the empty med slot you can put anything you want because now you have enough CPU - Heavy Cap Booster, additional hardener/invul, Cap recharger, SBA etc.
Gladiator Jonny Omniscient Order Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.07.22 11:24:00 - [25] Originally by: Vaal Erit Your job is certainly NOT done with MS/carriers on the field. You don't want to kill the enemy carriers and motherships? What? Lots of people blob with carriers, I'm sure you have fought carrier blobage. You didn't say anything about range, you stated EHP/DPS. I personally know competent cov ops/force recon pilots that can get me good warp ins. Using a short range dread gun fleet on top of a long range dread fleet shooting a POS is an advantage of epic proportions. Just imagine if you dropped 20 gank megas on 20 sniping megas. Fine, let's EFT *****. Moros(God, you are even using all skills at level V, don't you troll people who do that on SHC?): [Moros, New Setup 1] Armor Thermic Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Explosive Hardener II Capital Armor Repairer I Damage Control II Shadow Serpentis Magnetic Field Stabilizer Shadow Serpentis Magnetic Field Stabilizer Sensor Booster II Heat Dissipation Field II Photon Scattering Field II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Ion Siege Blaster Cannon I, Antimatter Charge XL Ion Siege Blaster Cannon I, Antimatter Charge XL Ion Siege Blaster Cannon I, Antimatter Charge XL Siege Module I Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I 4735 DPS excluding drones 2.64M EHP Rev: [Revelation, New Setup 1] Armor Thermic Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Explosive Hardener II Damage Control II Capital Armor Repairer I Amarr Navy Heat Sink Amarr Navy Heat Sink Amarr Navy Heat Sink Sensor Booster II Heat Dissipation Field II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Dual Giga Pulse Laser I, Multifrequency XL Dual Giga Pulse Laser I, Multifrequency XL Dual Giga Pulse Laser I, Multifrequency XL Siege Module I Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I 4924 DPS excluding drones 2.47M EHP Nagl(clearly showing why it is the worst dread with needing almost 2x co-proc IIs): [Naglfar, New Setup 1] Co-Processor II Adaptive Nano Plating II Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Damage Control II Photon Scattering Field II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Sensor Booster II Capital Shield Booster I Siege Module I 6x2500mm Repeating Artillery I, EMP XL 6x2500mm Repeating Artillery I, EMP XL Citadel Torpedo Launcher I, Thor Torpedo I Citadel Torpedo Launcher I, Thor Torpedo I Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I 4490 DPS excluding drones and 2.19M EHP Nagl and Rev can hit pretty damn good @ 30km while the moros needs to be right on top of people. Do EFT PvP all you want, the fact is that at 60km, your Phoenixfleet is taking 60 seconds for the first wave of torps to hit while my Moros/Rev fleet right on top of the enemies will be working on the secondary. Armor tanks and shield tanks are the bestest tanks.

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