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Forum Fanatic
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Posted - 2008.07.21 10:08:00 -
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The community in eve is generally represented by its forums, and by the way players interact on the server.
In the last four years the community spirit has degraded to pitiful levels of childish bickering and adhorent behaviour. Given the average age of the eve community being in the mid to high twenties, its sad to see behaviour equivilant to the junior school playground.
There are rules in place to control this interaction, yet CCP seem unable or unwilling to keep up with the rate of swill being posted on these forums.
I wax nostaglic about eve of the past where the forums were a hive of supportive and constructive posts, and in chat you could get great help and feedback in game.
It seems those days are long gone, and CCP are happy to foster a community of bitterness and aggression.
If it helps CCP, these are your own forums rules you need to go back and relearn, and who knows...maybe enforce...
# Be respectful of others at all times.
The purpose of the forum is to provide a platform for the exchange of ideas. Occasionally, there will be conflicts that arise when people voice opinions. Be courteous when disagreeing with others. It is possible to disagree without being insulting.
# Ranting is prohibited
A rant is a post which is long-winded, redundant and filled with angry, non-constructive comments. A free exchange of ideas is essential to building a strong sense of community and helpful in the development of the game, but rants are disruptive and incite flaming and trolling. Please post your thoughts in a concise, clear manner and avoid going off on rambling tangents.
# Personal attacks are prohibited.
Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts which are designed to personally berate or insult another. Text of this nature is not beneficial to the community spirit and will not be tolerated. Corporation, faction members and other players are cautioned to avoid allowing an "in character" dispute become an "out of character" personal attack. The game is designed for role playing and/or portraying a role and it is sometimes easy for tempers to flare when the lines between the virtual world and the real world are crossed. Keep in-game disputes in the game and off the forum, please, unless it is clearly a mutual, in character exchange.
# Trolling is prohibited.
Trolling is the word used to describe a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting the members of the forum community. Posts of this nature are disruptive and do not convey a friendly attitude.
Try reading the rest...
http://www.eve-online.com/pnp/forumrules.asp
Please restart enforcing your own rules again, and maybe, just maybe, we can rebuild a community we can be proud of, rather than this juvenile handbagging session you've been fostering so far.
Let the flaming begin.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.07.21 10:11:00 -
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The other forums, agree, General Discussion, disagree.
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Calvin Firenze
Minmatar
Thanos and Killjoy Productions
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Posted - 2008.07.21 10:15:00 -
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Edited by: Calvin Firenze on 21/07/2008 10:15:13
I stopped reading at the bullet points. bullet points remind me of when I was an office manager. That sucked ass
quit *****ing
/end flame
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Kazuma Saruwatari
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.07.21 10:16:00 -
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 Originally by: Crumplecorn
The other forums, agree, General Discussion, disagree.
Hold the phone!
Seriously, the only thing thats of any use out of any of these forums is whine and emocarebeartears.
Heck, I dont go here anymore for the talk, just the lulz.
The forums are beyond saving, however, so good luck CCP.
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Forum Fanatic
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Posted - 2008.07.21 10:16:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
The other forums, agree, General Discussion, disagree.
I would link to you all the posts today alone which meet the criteria above, but it would take too long. Just pick almost any thread posted in the last 24 hours and you will find plenty of examples in General Discussion of what I am referring to.
This is not an issue limited to CAOD. Sadly.
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Lily Cole
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Posted - 2008.07.21 10:20:00 -
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They want our money, if they enforced the EULA correctly, they'd go broke.
So... sympathy... not a great deal no. |
Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.07.21 10:32:00 -
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Originally by: Forum Fanatic
Originally by: Crumplecorn
The other forums, agree, General Discussion, disagree.
I would link to you all the posts today alone which meet the criteria above, but it would take too long. Just pick almost any thread posted in the last 24 hours and you will find plenty of examples in General Discussion of what I am referring to.
This is not an issue limited to CAOD. Sadly.
No, I mean I agree to your proposal in all other forums, but would not want it applied to General Discussion, my ready supply of whine and fail.
See illustration.
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.07.21 10:33:00 -
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I don't think there's enough moderators in the world to enforce what you ask. Imagine the 40-page CAOD threads of nothing but snip ?
The only actual plague on EVE-O is the endless torrents of meme injected into seemingly every thread. Oh and by the way, Your Stuff, Can I have it?
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Carrier Eleven
Gallente
EVE Posting Service
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Posted - 2008.07.21 10:37:00 -
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Originally by: Forum Fanatic
Well written stuff that makes sense.
Welcome to the golden age of the "goon azzhat mentality" of EVE. 
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Zephyr Rengate
dearg doom
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Posted - 2008.07.21 10:39:00 -
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CCP have rules?!
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
I will not liek human meat but the naerest I tried is human chesse. I don't want to tried again ...
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Tenacha Khan
E-Thugz
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Posted - 2008.07.21 10:43:00 -
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There was alot more trolling/flaming on the forums 4/5 years ago compared to now; when Kieron took over as community manager he clamped down really hard on all our fun and the heavy moderation came into play.
I think the ammount of ******ed whine threads have grown and this is to eve going a bit more main stream.
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Forum Guy
Forum Guys
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Posted - 2008.07.21 10:44:00 -
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Because the forums are an integral part of the game.
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justsometrader
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Posted - 2008.07.21 10:50:00 -
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roflol too much text only read first few senteces...stop whining ffs and gtfo out of my forums noob
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Huurtney Gurdsen
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Posted - 2008.07.21 11:04:00 -
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Obvious rant is obvious.
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Artemis Rose
Eleckrostatik
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Posted - 2008.07.21 11:12:00 -
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Darn
I was hoping for you to post proof of CCP setting forum rules for us to abide and breaking all of themselves.
I wanted to see links of Mitnal, Wrangler, Taera and other CCP personnel trolling, spamming and flaming their workday away.
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Wild Rho
Amarr
Silent Core
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Posted - 2008.07.21 11:38:00 -
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I agree with the sentiments in the OP tbh. There'd be a lot of moaning at the start from people claiming the forums are "no fun" or CCP doesn't allow "free speech" but at least there'd be more encouragement to make some half decent posts for a change.
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GallenteCitizen20080615
Gallente
Federation War News
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Posted - 2008.07.21 11:40:00 -
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isnt that why 4 out of the 5 post average are locked
as i have said once and many time before... this is not my sig |
Velius Richter
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Posted - 2008.07.21 11:46:00 -
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I have to say, the OP does have a valid point. I think it's worst in CAOD, and generally speaking pretty good in Noob Questions. Perhaps it is this way by design...?
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Roy Batty68
Caldari
Immortal Dead
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Posted - 2008.07.21 12:07:00 -
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Originally by: Forum Fanatic
I wax nostaglic about eve of the past where the forums were a hive of supportive and constructive posts
The cake is a lie!
Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail mods@ccpgames.com ~Saint |
ramzahn
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.07.21 12:14:00 -
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It's the ganking spirit. (imho)
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Malicious Manifesto
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Posted - 2008.07.21 12:26:00 -
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Edited by: Malicious Manifesto on 21/07/2008 12:34:24
Excellent post op. With the immaturity and lack of character thats obvious in some threads, you would think something could be done.It isnt hard to look up someones past threads and see a pattern of insults without anything constructive.
If there is one thing that is clear in the EULA is ccp has the right to enforce,change, or ignore its own rules. Seem's like ignore is the popular choice these days.
My assessment is ccp is severely understaffed.They seem to be unable to deal with any issues in a proactive manor.Instead they just react to a flood of complaints or petitions to band aid any problem. This creates a confusing atmosphere that favors the griever.
Asking CCP to somehow police the forums might be a bit much because its no small task. I'd be happy if they took a more proactive stance on in game character names and titles. In 30 minutes anyone can link 500 names that blatantly violate the EULA. I petitioned this issue in vain. Instead of creating a simple code to block names deemed obscene, they create more work for themselves. A name deemed obscene can just be given to a new character just to be petitioned again.
Maybe energizing this volunteer program they have can help address some of these issues. I applied have you?
Just my 2 cents
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rValdez5987
Amarr
Series of Tubes
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Posted - 2008.07.21 12:27:00 -
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I enjoy these forums DESU.
They are a lot of fun DESU.
Dont you enjoy these forums DESU KA?
I sure do DESU.
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Sakura Nihil
Stimulus
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Posted - 2008.07.21 12:30:00 -
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I imagine modding EVE-O is like being a professional zombie hunter. Every time you kill one thread, another two come at you out of the darkness.
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Tarminic
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.07.21 13:15:00 -
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I can't decide whether to agree with the OP or Crumplecorn. Hrm...
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.07.21 13:18:00 -
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How about a compromise. Moderate all the current forums properly, but create a new forum for all the whine/troll/fail (and forum warriors) which would stay at the current moderation level, or better yet be completely unmoderated.
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rValdez5987
Amarr
Series of Tubes
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Posted - 2008.07.21 13:21:00 -
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Perhaps a rule free /b/ Forum area is in order.
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Wil Smithx
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Posted - 2008.07.21 13:25:00 -
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Surely reporting a post and correctly id'ing it as a ''whatever'' should get it removed, i guess most people just dont do that
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Freya Runestone
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.07.21 13:32:00 -
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Originally by: rValdez5987
Perhaps a rule free /b/ Forum area is in order.
no. just no.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.07.21 13:36:00 -
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Originally by: rValdez5987
Perhaps a rule free /b/ Forum area is in order.
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RigelKentaurus
Flying Tartiflette
Caldari Deep Space Industral
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Posted - 2008.07.21 13:43:00 -
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Edited by: RigelKentaurus on 21/07/2008 13:48:44
Originally by: Rawr Cristina
I don't think there's enough moderators in the world to enforce what you ask. Imagine the 40-page CAOD threads of nothing but snip ?
As long as CCP start banning the worst trolls and flamers, on the forum AND IG, then one moderator would be enough.
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