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Mikael Mechka
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Posted - 2008.07.22 09:20:00 -
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I write this in the hopes that CreoDron will at least get some public feedback on what I see as their greatest failure. The Helios.
Using the Maulus hull made this ship appealing to use, despite some other shortcomings, but the redesign to the Imicus hull has made me reconsider making purchases from CreoDron in the future. Not only has this re-design made a wonderful ship hideous, but has also had no impact upon the ships statistics. I am therefore barring all CreoDron techs from entering my personal hangers without express permission from myself.
While I hear good things about the CreoDron Ishkur, I am afraid I will be reconsidering purchasing one. Instead, I am in the process of training for the Anathema, Khanid Innovation's latest rising star.
The system layout for the Anathema is more appealing than the Helios, and Khanid Innovation's redesign of their Covert Ops ship has made it the choice for me.
Sorry CreoDron, you are going to have to work extra hard to make me part with anymore of my isk for your products.
I invite my fellow pilots to voice their opinions on this matter. Does CreoDron still get your vote of confidence?
Regards,
Mikael Mechka
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Myxx
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.07.22 09:33:00 -
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I'll be blunt. I cut my teeth to being a pod pilot in an imicus. infact, I've had the same imicus for the last four years now that I've been a pod pilot. I like the maulus hull, its a wonderful creation. I don't mind the imicus much, probably due to my disposition to having flown primarily Gallentean ships almost exclusively (with the sole exception of a single Caldari Cruiser) and not much else.
I would however, like to see both designs deployed. It wouldn't hurt.
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Karanth
Gallente
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.07.22 09:53:00 -
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If it is the same, then why does it bother you? Looks on a ship meant to stay cloaked for long periods of time isn't exactly important, and the Maulus looks a bit strange in its own way.
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Myxx
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.07.22 10:18:00 -
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 Originally by: Karanth
If it is the same, then why does it bother you? Looks on a ship meant to stay cloaked for long periods of time isn't exactly important, and the Maulus looks a bit strange in its own way.
the imicus is a ship with a hull designed for mining and logistical efforts, at best a salvage ship. It is difficult to use otherwise, clunky and the controls aren't exactly the same as the maulus hull.
This ship isn't that ship, they're two completely different ships meant for two completely different roles and even with redesign, it isn't ideal.
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Mikael Mechka
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Posted - 2008.07.22 10:33:00 -
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IÆm sorry to say that it does bother me, and just because I spend most of my time cloaked, does not mean I donÆt get to see it. While dropping probes, jumping through gates, and docked at station hangers, I see it, and I am appalled.
As a redesign, I would expect some kind of improvement, however, the only thing that has changed is that now it can make small children cry at the sight of it. CPU, powergrid, speed, agility, even module fittings have all remained the same. There was no reason to change the hull of the Helios from the Maulus to the Imicus.
CreoDronÆs technicians have gone to enormous trouble to redesign the Helios, for no real improvement. Sounds like poor use of man hours to me.
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Karanth
Gallente
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.07.22 10:44:00 -
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Would you rather they waste time making Rogue Drones v2.0?
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BloodBird
Gallente
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.07.22 11:38:00 -
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That your not to fond of the new hull design of the Helios is a pity, but a matter of taste I assume.
However, don't be to eager to write off all of CreoDron's other creations because you in person is annoyed with the choice made regarding one of them... after all, vessels like the Ishkur, Ishtar and others are absolute nightmares to their enemies.
Trust a man who knows on these issues, for combat purposes, these ships are quite valuable, to make an understatement. You will ofcourse need good understanding and operational skills conserning drones, but that's a given. These are drone-boats after all.
Good luck with the Kanid line of ships as well, I can pilot nearly all of them, and these too, are worth their money... just in a diffrent way.
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Mikael Mechka
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Posted - 2008.07.22 12:15:00 -
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I understand that veteran drone users love using CreoDronÆs Ishkur and Ishtar, and while I possess the skills to use the Ishkur, I have not spent as much time training with Assault Ships as I have with Covert Ops craft and the use of scan probes.
As such, I am more suited to sitting in a covert ops scout than the Ishkur, which is why the alteration to the Helios has had this kind of response from me.
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Stitcher
Caldari
Duty.
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Posted - 2008.07.22 12:30:00 -
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I don't understand the concern, really. As far as I'm concerned, the only esthetically pleasing Gallente frigate hull is the Incursus.
BloodBird's quite right however - don't write off CreoDron just because of one design choice you didn't like. It's a brave (or stupid) pilot indeed who doesn't pause for a second at the news that an Ishtar's coming his way.
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Qing Jou
Gallente
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2008.07.22 14:51:00 -
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You're discounting an entire host of drone powerhouses because the Helios' original hull was replaced with one that doesn't appeal to your taste in ships, which have to be strange anyway just to want to have piloted any Gallentean-made vessel in the first place?
Really?
Even on a downgraded level, the Maulus is not suited for Logistics, but is instead intended as a genuine thorn in any ships side, and the Keres is capable of emphasizing this point wonderfully.
The Imicus is ideally suited to logistical tactics, and the information capabilities of the Helios is it's own logistical advantage, which the Imicus trades any offensive capability it once had for.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2008.07.22 16:22:00 -
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The Maulus is the frigate of choice of the LeHane family, of which I am a part. While we are indeed disappointed they've moved to the Imicus hull, we see no reason to stop using the Helios just because of that.
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Mikael Mechka
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Posted - 2008.07.22 17:52:00 -
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I am not writing off CreoDron's drone boats, but as I have stated, my interest in CreoDron's designs has mainly been due to the Helios' use as an intelligence gathering platform.
I had planned to train for another race's advanced frigates (mainly for the use of different types of assault ships), but until the revamp of the Helios, I was quite content to put this off for quite a while.
The change prompted me to accelerate my schedule and shifted the focus from assault ships to looking for a new covert ops craft. I will admit that the choice is largely an aesthetic one. However, every major company knows that a large part of how you get your product to sell, is the packaging it comes in. Regardless of how the Helios fairs against other covert ops craft, it no longer appeals to me.
I will no longer part with my isk for a CreoDron covert ops. As for drone ships, I will wait till I have test flown them before deciding if CreoDron can expect to make any profit from me.
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Lui Kai
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.07.23 12:22:00 -
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I've always enjoyed mine.
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MenanceWhite
Amarr
Red Light Navy
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Posted - 2008.07.23 13:23:00 -
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It's fine I guess. It actually reminds me of the time when I used the imicus to shoot haulers belonging to certain corporations. Quite nostalogic indeed.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2008.07.23 14:36:00 -
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Originally by: Mikael Mechka
I am not writing off CreoDron's drone boats, but as I have stated, my interest in CreoDron's designs has mainly been due to the Helios' use as an intelligence gathering platform.
I had planned to train for another race's advanced frigates (mainly for the use of different types of assault ships), but until the revamp of the Helios, I was quite content to put this off for quite a while.
The change prompted me to accelerate my schedule and shifted the focus from assault ships to looking for a new covert ops craft. I will admit that the choice is largely an aesthetic one. However, every major company knows that a large part of how you get your product to sell, is the packaging it comes in. Regardless of how the Helios fairs against other covert ops craft, it no longer appeals to me.
I will no longer part with my isk for a CreoDron covert ops. As for drone ships, I will wait till I have test flown them before deciding if CreoDron can expect to make any profit from me.
How quintessentially childish. Just as you say, performance-wise the change has absolutely no impact whatever. A truly classic case of "They Changed It, Now It Sucks". Agreed, I don't like the look of the new Helios but it's still a damn fine ship and it's still, importantly, a Gallentean ship, produced by a Gallentean corporation. I'm not one to let patriotism override more pressing purchasing concerns but seriously, nothing except the look has changed.
The Minmatar Cheetah's producers have also started basing it off of a different ship but... you know, come on, you don't see a bunch of Minmatar whining about it.
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