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Deldrac Bat Country Aegis Militia	Posted - 2008.07.28 21:52:00 - [121] Originally by: Robrina Brun Edited by: Robrina Brun on 28/07/2008 19:53:29 Edited by: Robrina Brun on 28/07/2008 19:43:24 Originally by: Deldrac One question not answered by the links... Why? Linkage Already answered? Actually no. Read the article you linked again. It doesn't answer my question. It talks at great length about 'How?', but doesn't even touch on 'Why?'. There is a serious question here. What on earth motivated CCP to spend time on this? Espeicially given their explanations at the beginning of the development of EVE that they would never develop avatars wandering about stations since it would clearly take focus away from internet spaceships. I have no idea why this is happening. A cynic might suggest that CCPs problem is often too much focus on 'How' and not enough on 'Why'.
Ruze Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2008.07.28 22:02:00 - [122] First, it probably has something to do with the massive amount of players who have asked for this feature since the early days of Eve. I know I am one of those people. Note, I didn't say 'majority' and other assumptions, but this is something that interests a lot of players. EvE is a lot of things, and has become a lot of things since it was first created. We know that it's a pvp and responsibility oriented game, with a few RTS elements. But it's also one of the few MMORPGs left on the market. It is a roleplaying game. Ambulation will just help cement that concept a little deeper in the minds of the skeptics. Another reason, which CCP has admitted to and some players view as a bad thing (though I cannot honestly understand why), is that CCP is trying to branch their developing staff into working with avatars, as part of their project with another game. Instead of the staff doing preliminary testing to learn the techniques they need to know, then throwing out this testing when the concept guys at WhiteWolf finalize their project scheme, CCP is going to use the 'practice' and beta to flesh out and add to their own MMO ... EvE. Finally, it also comes down to market. EvE is quickly moving out of the 'cult classic' genre and becoming more popular. MMO's as a whole are becoming a more acceptable form of gaming, no longer the precious havens of DnD fans and LARP enthusiasts. With Ambulation, the thought is that more new players will be able to understand WHY EvE works as it does. Some can overlook logic and lack of 'realism' for their enjoyments. Others need to see their character, to move and view the world they live in, in order for them to better enjoy the game. A lot of the market figures say that women fall into this category. The short answer? Because some gamers want it, and CCP thinks they can make more money by making those gamers happy. It's got my vote all the way, and apparently I'm not alone, even amongst the CCP staff. Genesis Project
Delos Korelian	Posted - 2008.07.28 23:47:00 - [123] Originally by: Ruze First, it probably has something to do with the massive amount of players who have asked for this feature since the early days of Eve. I know I am one of those people. Note, I didn't say 'majority' and other assumptions, but this is something that interests a lot of players. EvE is a lot of things, and has become a lot of things since it was first created. We know that it's a pvp and responsibility oriented game, with a few RTS elements. But it's also one of the few MMORPGs left on the market. It is a roleplaying game. Ambulation will just help cement that concept a little deeper in the minds of the skeptics. Another reason, which CCP has admitted to and some players view as a bad thing (though I cannot honestly understand why), is that CCP is trying to branch their developing staff into working with avatars, as part of their project with another game. Instead of the staff doing preliminary testing to learn the techniques they need to know, then throwing out this testing when the concept guys at WhiteWolf finalize their project scheme, CCP is going to use the 'practice' and beta to flesh out and add to their own MMO ... EvE. Finally, it also comes down to market. EvE is quickly moving out of the 'cult classic' genre and becoming more popular. MMO's as a whole are becoming a more acceptable form of gaming, no longer the precious havens of DnD fans and LARP enthusiasts. With Ambulation, the thought is that more new players will be able to understand WHY EvE works as it does. Some can overlook logic and lack of 'realism' for their enjoyments. Others need to see their character, to move and view the world they live in, in order for them to better enjoy the game. A lot of the market figures say that women fall into this category. The short answer? Because some gamers want it, and CCP thinks they can make more money by making those gamers happy. It's got my vote all the way, and apparently I'm not alone, even amongst the CCP staff. Makes perfect sense to me. I am a big supporter of the Ambulation, and I think this is pretty much on the money. It will allow a degree of greater immersion in the game to actually have a body.
RhajKa	Posted - 2008.07.29 01:33:00 - [124] When I discussed EvE with some of my friends who hadn't played it one of the first questions they asked was 'can you get out of your ship and walk around?' There are alot of people out there who would play it if you could - sounds trivial but some people want 'more' or 'different' from the game than others..... Rhajka
Tenoh	Posted - 2008.07.29 06:10:00 - [125] There would be 3 times more players if the bloody pvpers wouldn't grief you .
ZephyrLexx Caldari Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.07.29 06:26:00 - [126] Originally by: Deldrac Originally by: Robrina Brun Edited by: Robrina Brun on 28/07/2008 19:53:29 Edited by: Robrina Brun on 28/07/2008 19:43:24 Originally by: Deldrac One question not answered by the links... Why? Linkage Already answered? Actually no. Read the article you linked again. It doesn't answer my question. It talks at great length about 'How?', but doesn't even touch on 'Why?'. There is a serious question here. What on earth motivated CCP to spend time on this? Espeicially given their explanations at the beginning of the development of EVE that they would never develop avatars wandering about stations since it would clearly take focus away from internet spaceships. I have no idea why this is happening. A cynic might suggest that CCPs problem is often too much focus on 'How' and not enough on 'Why'. because CCP are a game development company, running a business - to attract more customers, you add more features and attractions to your games, duh?
Aeo IV Amarr Xomic OmniCorporation	Posted - 2008.07.29 07:16:00 - [127] Question: Will Ambulation be released as a separate game, and thus receive it's own ESRB? If so, will it be rated higher then EVE Online is?
Purtonias Minmatar	Posted - 2008.07.29 08:12:00 - [128] The why makes sense to me as explained above.. One thing worrys me though, if your grinding missions for ISK as tends to happen at the lower levels, will you be forced to walk from your ship to an agent and back again etc, this will add quite a tortuous lenth to the grind
yosef kaldhu Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.07.29 08:57:00 - [129] Originally by: Purtonias The why makes sense to me as explained above.. One thing worrys me though, if your grinding missions for ISK as tends to happen at the lower levels, will you be forced to walk from your ship to an agent and back again etc, this will add quite a tortuous lenth to the grind You dont have to walk round the station if you dont wont to so if your grinidng missions you can easily stay in your ship and use the interface to get a mission as it is now.
AltBier Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated	Posted - 2008.07.29 09:58:00 - [130] Edited by: AltBier on 29/07/2008 09:58:54 Quote: You can't add new content to Ambulation but all the content has to be produced by the players for the players. http://www.eve-search.com/thread/640689/page/all#67 I'm confused. If we can't add content, how will it be produced by the players?

Lui Kai Perkone	Posted - 2008.07.29 11:03:00 - [131] Originally by: AltBier Edited by: AltBier on 29/07/2008 09:58:54 Quote: You can't add new content to Ambulation but all the content has to be produced by the players for the players. http://www.eve-search.com/thread/640689/page/all#67 I'm confused. If we can't add content, how will it be produced by the players? As in, players won't be designing new things - but all the content does have to be built and ran by players. ---------------- Ambulation Answers
AltBier Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated	Posted - 2008.07.29 11:42:00 - [132] Oh, in the same way modules are manufactured by players?
Dalia Diamond	Posted - 2008.07.29 11:46:00 - [133] Originally by: AltBier Oh, in the same way modules are manufactured by players? Yep. But, I also take it as meaning there won't be NPC shops, bars, et cetera. That all of that will be player driven.
Zinras Caldari Order of draugr	Posted - 2008.07.29 12:18:00 - [134] Edited by: Zinras on 29/07/2008 12:19:45 Edited by: Zinras on 29/07/2008 12:19:33 Edited by: Zinras on 29/07/2008 12:19:04 Originally by: cerbus Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia Originally by: Lui Kai HankMurphy asks if his avatar can be blind. Blind how? Also wouldn't that reset itself with every clone you go through? What do you want to get from blindness, strange path finding or cool glasses? Omg. You just completely destroyed the story behind my corp. Genetic blindness, good sir. No matter how many times you clone yourself, it'll still be your genes And you can always RP getting gene therapy if you want to see again when it comes to walking around in Ambulation Also, a small addition to the exotic dancers thing: Would it be possible to employ your own exotic dancers for your store/corp room/whatever? And will you get cheaper rates if it's dancers you've saved on missions? Added pink to lure Eris to the thread. Originally by: CCP Greyscale moderated - mother abuse - Mitnal Originally by: Jenny Spitfire That si a fact comming out from my bran.
Lui Kai Perkone	Posted - 2008.07.29 13:19:00 - [135] Originally by: Zinras [pink]Would it be possible to employ your own exotic dancers for your store/corp room/whatever? They've said you will be able to employ NPCs, and that there will be exotic dancers, so I'd say this is highly likely. ---------------- Ambulation Answers
Alurcard	Posted - 2008.07.29 16:14:00 - [136] I think alot of people need to go out to real strip clubs instead of dreaming of computer women dancing for them :P
Xevan Templar 7th Batavian Squadron	Posted - 2008.07.29 16:23:00 - [137] Originally by: Alurcard I think alot of people need to go out to real strip clubs instead of dreaming of computer women dancing for them :P Well just going out would do Anyways Im interested in what clothes you can wear. Would be awesome that if you have, say a very high standing with CONCORD, you could actualy walk in a CONCORD uniform. Or for any other faction for that manner. Bought most likely with LP (although CONCORD doesn't have LP, damn ;p)
B1FF	Posted - 2008.07.29 16:34:00 - [138] Originally by: Ruze Others need to see their character, to move and view the world they live in, in order for them to better enjoy the game. That's the fatal flaw. The problem people have with EvE is that they can't accept that space and the ship is the "world they live in." You can already move and view it. There's no world in a station. You're bang on about what people think they want. But that's the problem. They think they want it. No one has been able to answer: Who are you going to ambulate with? Over the next week look at the people you are talking with. Ask yourself the following questions. Are you docked? Are they docked? Are you both docked at the same station? If you answered no to any of them then your social interaction will not benefit from ambu. It will make a good marketing point. But I expect high high churn on the new "walking" subscribers since there's nothing to do but walk.
Xevan Templar 7th Batavian Squadron	Posted - 2008.07.29 17:54:00 - [139] Edited by: Xevan Templar on 29/07/2008 17:54:41 Originally by: B1FF Originally by: Ruze Others need to see their character, to move and view the world they live in, in order for them to better enjoy the game. That's the fatal flaw. The problem people have with EvE is that they can't accept that space and the ship is the "world they live in." You can already move and view it. There's no world in a station. You're bang on about what people think they want. But that's the problem. They think they want it. No one has been able to answer: Who are you going to ambulate with? Over the next week look at the people you are talking with. Ask yourself the following questions. Are you docked? Are they docked? Are you both docked at the same station? If you answered no to any of them then your social interaction will not benefit from ambu. It will make a good marketing point. But I expect high high churn on the new "walking" subscribers since there's nothing to do but walk. You have much to learn young Padawan. You are stepping in the same trap here. It's your vision you discribe above, but that is 'your own personal viewpoint'. Others will see if differently. There is no universal right or wrong here. So there is no fatal flaw, besides you stepping into your own trap
Ruze Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2008.07.29 18:06:00 - [140] Edited by: Ruze on 29/07/2008 18:06:39 Lui Kai and the devs in general: Will the officers quarters upgradeable? Can we get a 'luxury quarters' later on? And if so, will it be at all dependent on the size of the ship? Will I be able to put said luxury quarters in my frigate as well as in my battleship? Also: Will it be possible to invite others into your quarters, or will they be like a ship hangar in a station, available only to the owner of the ship? Finally: I saw mention of owning several quarters, and I wonder if they have their own tab in station, or will they be something that sits in your Items tab? Can you trade a quarters with another player, even if it has items inside it? Genesis Project

Dalia Diamond	Posted - 2008.07.29 18:14:00 - [141] Originally by: Ruze Edited by: Ruze on 29/07/2008 18:06:39 Lui Kai and the devs in general: Will the officers quarters upgradeable? Can we get a 'luxury quarters' later on? And if so, will it be at all dependent on the size of the ship? Will I be able to put said luxury quarters in my frigate as well as in my battleship? Also: Will it be possible to invite others into your quarters, or will they be like a ship hangar in a station, available only to the owner of the ship? Finally: I saw mention of owning several quarters, and I wonder if they have their own tab in station, or will they be something that sits in your Items tab? Can you trade a quarters with another player, even if it has items inside it? They haven't said if there's different variety of quarters that can be fitted to the ship, but I'd imagine so. They have said that you can control who can enter a store/office/quarters based on several different criteria. As to trading, from what they've said it seems likely that there will be two varieties of quarters - a captains quarters, that goes along with your ship, and shops/offices which sound more like a station service. The ship quarters - I doubt this will be a fitting (Gimps the ship's usefullness), but more likely something vaguely like a rig, or just inherent to the ship itself. They haven't said if it will be tradable after being fitted to a ship en total, but I'd imagine all the things "in" it would be.
Dalia Diamond	Posted - 2008.07.29 18:16:00 - [142] Edited by: Dalia Diamond on 29/07/2008 18:16:09 Double post
Lui Kai Perkone	Posted - 2008.07.29 18:17:00 - [143] Damn alt keeps jumping in the way today - no matter how many times I check "default character" on Lui. This happening to anyone else? But, anyway - Dalia = me in the reply above. ---------------- Ambulation Answers
Ruze Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2008.07.29 18:21:00 - [144] Sorry, I guess I was confusing with 'officers' quarters. I totally meant the 'captains' quarters. I know there's no concrete information, but the whole concept interests me. Genesis Project
Zinras Caldari Order of draugr	Posted - 2008.07.29 18:46:00 - [145] Edited by: Zinras on 29/07/2008 18:46:34 Originally by: B1FF No one has been able to answer: Who are you going to ambulate with? Other people? Or does "MMO" not include saying hello to strangers anymore? Yes, how dare people sometimes want to take a break from the regular EVE world and go have some fun with other stuff in the game? Truly a horrible crime right there. Likewise, I'd say that rather than other people not being able to accept they live in the ships (what have most of them been doing in the last few years, then?), it would be more accurate to state it is you who can't accept that people leave their ship sometimes and utilise those weird limbs below the waist Tbh, I don't even understand what it is about Ambulation that brings forth the nerdrage in people such as yourself. It's not being developed by the EVE devs and it isn't taking place on TQ, so it won't add lag or take anything away from the game. In fact, it would likely help some systems a bit, as the various would-be stationhuggers won't browse the market and do other lag-inducing things while in stations. So the question is: Why do you whine about it, instead of letting the people who want it enjoy the feature and let those that don't enjoy a more lag free game? Originally by: CCP Greyscale moderated - mother abuse - Mitnal Originally by: Jenny Spitfire That si a fact comming out from my bran.
B1FF	Posted - 2008.07.29 18:56:00 - [146] Originally by: Zinras Edited by: Zinras on 29/07/2008 18:46:34 Originally by: B1FF No one has been able to answer: Who are you going to ambulate with? Other people? Or does "MMO" not include saying hello to strangers anymore? These people you interact with are you docked when you interact with them? Are they? Are you both at the same station? If any answer is no then you won't be making use of ambulation.
B1FF	Posted - 2008.07.29 19:00:00 - [147] Originally by: Xevan Templar You have much to learn young Padawan. You are stepping in the same trap here. It's your vision you discribe above, but that is 'your own personal viewpoint'. Others will see if differently. There is no universal right or wrong here. So there is no fatal flaw, besides you stepping into your own trap No I don't. There is a universal right or wrong. Outside ambulation is where game mechanics happen. That's where things happen. That makes it the world. Ambulation is merely housing.
Zinras Caldari Order of draugr	Posted - 2008.07.29 19:02:00 - [148] Originally by: B1FF Originally by: Zinras Edited by: Zinras on 29/07/2008 18:46:34 Originally by: B1FF No one has been able to answer: Who are you going to ambulate with? Other people? Or does "MMO" not include saying hello to strangers anymore? These people you interact with are you docked when you interact with them? Are they? Are you both at the same station? If any answer is no then you won't be making use of ambulation. GJ on avoiding the questions there.. And yes, yes they do. I know, local is SO hard to use and so is single chats or open channels. Very, very difficult, I can assure you. But some of us manage anyway, so please have your hissy fit somewhere else. Originally by: CCP Greyscale moderated - mother abuse - Mitnal Originally by: Jenny Spitfire That si a fact comming out from my bran.
Disteeler Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2008.07.29 19:21:00 - [149] haha the BIFF dude again? about the same? XD yeah I'm sorry I'm feeding him... Sig by Black Necris
Zinras Caldari Order of draugr	Posted - 2008.07.29 19:22:00 - [150] Edited by: Zinras on 29/07/2008 19:22:36 Originally by: B1FF Edited by: B1FF on 29/07/2008 19:20:14 Originally by: Zinras GJ on avoiding the questions there. Thanks. But I did answer them. No, no you didn't. Here it is in nice bold letters for you: Why do you whine about it, instead of letting the people who want it enjoy the feature and let those that don't enjoy a more lag free game? Originally by: CCP Greyscale moderated - mother abuse - Mitnal Originally by: Jenny Spitfire That si a fact comming out from my bran.

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