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Riffage
GK inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.23 11:10:00 -
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So I recently started exploration with a friend, read all the basic guides and know basic of probing and all that. But what about some advanced tips and tricks?
For example, saw several times that "plexes are 1 au to 4 au from planets only" - is this confirmed? Cause yesterday I was in a system with RADAR / UNKNOWN / MANGETOMETRIC with two probing chars (both got all skills to IV / V), had all planets -perfectly- (as in, from several angles, most planets covered by multiple quests) covered, scanned for about 3 hours and havent found a single trace.
Is that just bugged or is there some trick how to find that?
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Babel
Utopian Research I.E.L. The ENTITY.
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Posted - 2008.07.23 11:52:00 -
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Bad luck and low sig strength maybe ?
hmm Rad, Mag and unk ? ....... sure you didn't have Cosmic Anomalies ticked and not Cosmic Sigs ? - I've done that a few times and kicked myself :) -------
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Riffage
GK inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.23 12:07:00 -
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I was scanning for both anomalies / sigs and after a bit only for sigs. And yea, there were 3 of them for sure (checked with multispec every now and then) all the time, two probers with almost perfect skills (no implants though), perfect quest probes coverage and nothing for quite long time.
Is it viable to do whole system scan with pursuits? And anyone had plexes spawn further away from planets?
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Babel
Utopian Research I.E.L. The ENTITY.
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Posted - 2008.07.23 12:33:00 -
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Originally by: Rif***e Is it viable to do whole system scan with pursuits? And anyone had plexes spawn further away from planets?
Ahha :)
Simple answer is no - that's where you are going wrong. Pursuit range = 2AU, you need to be using the Quests with 4 AU range. The sites in your case must all be between 2 and 4 from their planets.
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Riffage
GK inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.23 13:50:00 -
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Eeer no, I used quests ofc. As a matter of fact, several sets of quests as they ran out.
I was merely wondering if making perfect coverage of the system with pursuits instead might yield better results.
And lol @ forums, my nick is being censored
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Jonathan Calvert
Minmatar Empire Mining and Trade
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Posted - 2008.07.23 14:07:00 -
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Originally by: Rif***e So I recently started exploration with a friend, read all the basic guides and know basic of probing and all that. But what about some advanced tips and tricks?
For example, saw several times that "plexes are 1 au to 4 au from planets only" - is this confirmed? Cause yesterday I was in a system with RADAR / UNKNOWN / MANGETOMETRIC with two probing chars (both got all skills to IV / V), had all planets -perfectly- (as in, from several angles, most planets covered by multiple quests) covered, scanned for about 3 hours and havent found a single trace.
Is that just bugged or is there some trick how to find that?
Assuming youre doing everything according to the guide, its just bad luck. Exploration is chance based. You have a chance of never finding the sites. I suspect youre doing something wrong however, as thats an abnormal result.
1. Launch the correct type quest probe at every planet, or covering 4au from all planets. 2. Select all probes in scanner, select cosmic sig only, and hit analyze.
Reread the guide.
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White Ronin
Gallente Screenout
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Posted - 2008.07.23 14:11:00 -
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Most keep it to themselves because knowing is half the battle.
--------------------------------------------- "There have always been ghosts in the machine . . . random segments of code that have grouped together to form unexpected protocols. " |
Riffage
GK inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.23 14:50:00 -
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Originally by: Jonathan Calvert
Originally by: Rif***e So I recently started exploration with a friend, read all the basic guides and know basic of probing and all that. But what about some advanced tips and tricks?
For example, saw several times that "plexes are 1 au to 4 au from planets only" - is this confirmed? Cause yesterday I was in a system with RADAR / UNKNOWN / MANGETOMETRIC with two probing chars (both got all skills to IV / V), had all planets -perfectly- (as in, from several angles, most planets covered by multiple quests) covered, scanned for about 3 hours and havent found a single trace.
Is that just bugged or is there some trick how to find that?
Assuming youre doing everything according to the guide, its just bad luck. Exploration is chance based. You have a chance of never finding the sites. I suspect youre doing something wrong however, as thats an abnormal result.
1. Launch the correct type quest probe at every planet, or covering 4au from all planets. 2. Select all probes in scanner, select cosmic sig only, and hit analyze.
Reread the guide.
I will pass the "select all probes in scanner" etc parts, because I'm not an idiot. I actually found quite few plexes already. There was RADAR / UNKNOWN / MAG in that system, one char used radar quests, other one used mag quests - not a single hit for several hours. The probes were not just at planets, but all around as much as hour of bookmarking allowed. Most of planets were covered by 3-5 overlapping quests. Yet it didnt work.
What I'm looking for is:
A) confirmation - its bugged sometimes, dont bother B) Its seriously low chance, you can scan for hours and dont find shit C) Theres a special trick for these and you are not using it / you dont know it.
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Srioghal moDhream
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Posted - 2008.07.23 16:31:00 -
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post a pic of your coverage. and what is the sec of the system?
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Tysheara
Running with Cheese
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Posted - 2008.07.23 19:41:00 -
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Edited by: Tysheara on 23/07/2008 19:43:34 For someone who claims that 2 of you have 4 and 5 skills and been doing this for awhile would infact already know that the answer is yes it can take longer then 3 hours to get first hit even with good coverage.
Edit:There is no trick its Signal strength. The lower the sig the longer it can take.
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suce
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Posted - 2008.07.23 21:46:00 -
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From my experience (1 years + of exploring) it's not normal to spend hours scanning without result + the facts you were 2 probers and multiples results with multi on cosmic sig.
2 possibilities
- unusual very low + sig like ive never seen - a bug
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Deyalarah
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Posted - 2008.07.24 00:00:00 -
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no chance you were missing 100% coverage on the Z-axis?
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sp00f
Gallente Joint Empire Squad
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Posted - 2008.07.24 08:48:00 -
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It's indeed perfectly possible you have to scan for hours and hours to find a signal. (some time ago, I heard someone talking how he had been scanning for 7 hours before getting a hit with quests).
Than again, although it's chance-based, I find it odd/hard to believe that all 3+ sites have a ridiculously low scan strength?
Something you might be considering if you want to persist in finding them, is getting a set of Sisters of Eve probes, these have - if my intel is correct - higher scan strength thus giving an increase in finding it.
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Riffage
GK inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.24 10:21:00 -
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That system is definetely weird. I came back today with the bookmarks set made already and covered whole system in mag pursuits (wasnt as good coverage as the quests, but almost) and after 40 minutes I got hit on the magnetometric one (Forgotten Ruins, looked pretty interesting but wasnt able to finish cause just one of my characters got archeology to enter and wasnt able to solo those 10+ battleships at once) and no hit from the unknown (the radar was gone, guess it moved after DT or someone cleared it).
As for Sisters probes, I was thinking about it and if I remember correct, I was briefly looking for them on market some time ago and wasnt able to find them in sufficient amounts, but I will check again.
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Ikaro Vi
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Posted - 2008.07.24 13:13:00 -
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you wont find sister launcher on market, check contracts. price is ~40m
i had that twice so far (total of about 100 systems scanned since i started exploration). since im also scanning with a friend and he didnt find anything either i guess it could be buggy. anyways, if i dont find a sig after 1 comb set i usually go to the nxt system
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Letrange
Minmatar Chaosstorm Corporation Apoapsis Multiversal Consortium
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Posted - 2008.07.24 16:55:00 -
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I've noticed that when a scan is out at the edges of the envelope it tends to take longer to nail down. That combined with a low signature site may be the reason you had soooo much trouble. Unfortunately the only cure is: Be persistent.
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alpha11
OcUK
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Posted - 2008.07.24 18:56:00 -
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Originally by: Letrange I've noticed that when a scan is out at the edges of the envelope it tends to take longer to nail down. That combined with a low signature site may be the reason you had soooo much trouble. Unfortunately the only cure is: Be persistent.
Qft I had to use over 25 sifts to get a hit on an unknown right at the edge of the envelope. Could pick it up easily enough with comb's but never close enough to get in grid
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Pwett
Minmatar QUANT Corp. QUANT Hegemony
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Posted - 2008.07.24 19:13:00 -
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About a year or so ago, a group of us had a discussion on probe strength and we pretty much confirmed that probe strength does decrease the further one is from the center. _______________ Pwett CEO, Founder, & Executor <Q> QUANT Hegemony
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Riffage
GK inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.25 10:51:00 -
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure it does, even saw a drawing of it somewhere.
And for those "hard to find" plexes I decided I will do even the initial scans with pursuits and combs (needs good bookmarks) because with quests its just too much dependant on luck and you can sit there without a hit for hours just like I did before. With pursuits or combs, its a tricky to get whole system covered (sometimes impossible) and you have to refresh them way more often, but so far it worked pretty well for me.
Btw I did 6/10 plex several times in last week (pretty lovely one, 100-900m drops per run depending on luck and can be run by 2 chars no problem) but never ever found 7/10 - 8/10 - 5/10 or anything like that. Luck again or those are somewhat special like escalation only or whatever?
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Anopheles Leet
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Posted - 2008.07.25 17:06:00 -
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Just out of curiosity, were you cloaked with a T1 cloaking device? They have scan resolution penalties (which the cov ops cloak doesn't), which could be giving you problems.
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bnogo
Caldari Interstellar Armaments Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.07.26 10:39:00 -
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i had a plex, took me literally 4 hours for the first hit, then another 4 to finally get it narrowed down.
too bad corpies weren't on to help with the 10/10 :(
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slothe
Caldari Murky Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.26 11:41:00 -
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i have 5/4/4/4 skills + sisters launcher + +1 prospector implants.
i still have great difficulty finding unknowns in 0.0. radar and mag i find within an hour, but unknowns i cant find sometimes in 2 hours, at which point i usually give up.
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Riffage
GK inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.28 10:39:00 -
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Found mag site called Forgotten Ruins again today, again not able to solo it (other chars dont have archaeology) but I went through pretty much whole site and it looks interesting (4 rooms filled with BS's, some named BS, drone hive, lots of archaeology cans, etc.).
Anyone finished this site to C/D if theres anything interesting in there and if its worth to skill up archaeology on other chars? Thanks
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clyno
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Posted - 2008.07.28 10:54:00 -
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I had some problems with exploration sites in the past but in most cases it turned out to be bad luck/bad probe placement. The problem is with systems that have inner planets close enough that one probe covers them all, but you don't cover entire 4AU radius around every planet. So if you dont get a hit after a few sets of quests try to reposition probes on inner planets to cover different planets than you did with your last set.
Another thing I heard (never happened to me) is that sometimes exploration sites can also spawn in 4AU range of the gates, but like I said I have never seen that.
The hardest signature I encountered was when I accidentally stumbled across 0.0 cosmos constelation (not the static ones with agents and stuff, but the traveling ones... constelation becomes cosmos from DT to DT, after than it moves on to different place) ladar site. That *****er took me 5 sets of quests to pin down.
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Krevorak
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.07.28 14:24:00 -
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Originally by: Rif***e Found mag site called Forgotten Ruins again today, again not able to solo it (other chars dont have archaeology) but I went through pretty much whole site and it looks interesting (4 rooms filled with BS's, some named BS, drone hive, lots of archaeology cans, etc.).
Anyone finished this site to C/D if theres anything interesting in there and if its worth to skill up archaeology on other chars? Thanks
Thats the cosmos mag site that drops gas cloud harvesters and afaik no deadspace loot or anything like its radar brother.
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King Leopold
Congo Free State
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Posted - 2008.07.28 21:55:00 -
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all chance, i've scanned for hours getting a sig to appear .. the harder to find.. the better they are. --
Read my Blog - Congo Free State
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Neddy Fox
Gallente Paxton Industries
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Posted - 2008.07.29 11:53:00 -
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Originally by: King Leopold all chance, i've scanned for hours getting a sig to appear .. the harder to find.. the better they are.
Not completely true. Grav sites (hidden belts) are always very hard to find, and mostly spawn small/medium belts. The one large belt I found had even a higher strength, and was found in an hour.
But yeah, I've seen probetimes between 10 mins and 6 hours. Skilling all to 4 does help, including rigs to decrease scantime.
And no, cloaking (sig radius penalty) has nothing to do with your probes. It's a penalty for your ship (like increased locktimes). It does not influence accuracy on your probes.
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Nalena Arlath
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Posted - 2008.07.29 12:03:00 -
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Only thing I can think of, if you did everything else right (correct type probe, probe positioning correct, correct group selected in the scanner et.c.) is pure bad luck.
For every analyzis you run, there is a chance you find it, or don't find. So with a streak of luck, you can sit for hours clicking analyzis and get nothing. Other times you find it on the first go.
If it gets too hard though (spending several hours chasing down a single site) then I usually just carry on to the next systems. Rather find a few decent sites than none at all during a day.
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Xaziar Nortocus
Forces Unknown Inc
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Posted - 2008.07.30 01:51:00 -
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If you have all the planets covered with multiple probes, then keep analyzing until either your probes expire, or you find something. It could take a few tries before you lock into something. --------------------------------------------------
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Tralna Minita
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Posted - 2008.07.30 11:05:00 -
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From my experience im pretty sure that logging off after you have been scanning for two hours or so and making yourself a cup of cofee or whatever before logging back on again will increase the chance of finding the plex on your next scan. It is probably just my luck but ive often scanned a system for 2/3 hours logged off and on again and then found the plex in 30 mins or less. Of course then you need to spend another 2 hours sifting and combing etc for a site that gives you 10 mil isk :) But still who said exploration was about the money?
Also Rif***e what you were saying about just using combs and pursuit probes to scan a system would take hours and hours to get the right bookmarks and even then, the reduced time that they remain in space compared to quests means that you will be running around the system replacing them every 10 mins or whatever.
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