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Tovartis Roberts
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2012.03.18 20:23:00 -
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Im not going to start another im gallente moaning thread they are fun but not practical for fleet which is a big/most fun part of the game.
A one time SP reset would be a really good idea, maybe a 1 time reset for players after 6-12 months so once they have a good idea how the game works and they realise they dont like what they have gon into they have 1 opertunity to properly choose this time which race they would like fly. its takes about a year maybe a bit more to become top statted in all areas for sub caps of one race and even longer for capital.
Alot of players leave eve because after their first 1-6months of being an oblivious noob they realise they dont actually like the path they are going down and just leave because they cannot be assed to wait another 6 months to become actually good in a new area. a onetime SP reset for newer players would be a great idea and would keep ALOT of players who are like me but not as patient in the game, it is an epic game, it really is but some people are just not as tolerant and patient and just quit.
Please keep the troll comments to yourselves, constructive negative feedback is welcome. |
Tovartis Roberts
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
9
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Posted - 2012.03.18 20:27:00 -
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i would even /sign for a "pay real money for SP reset" system. maybe do it on an SP/real cash ratio... |
masternerdguy
Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate
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Posted - 2012.03.18 20:30:00 -
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Aren't you the guy who hates gallente and loves "WINMATTAR"? |
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
354
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Posted - 2012.03.18 20:31:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:Aren't you the guy who hates gallente and loves "WINMATTAR"?
haha he is, I remember seeing that thread earlier today.
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Tovartis Roberts
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
9
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Posted - 2012.03.18 20:33:00 -
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Thanks trolls for getting the thread off to a nice start. Pathetic; i dont know why i even bother with forums. |
ElQuirko
Gravit Negotii Rogue Elements.
414
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Posted - 2012.03.18 20:34:00 -
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LOL - Someone's given in to peer pressure.
If we distribute pictures of people, does that mean God can file copyright claims under SOPA? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5668
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Posted - 2012.03.18 20:36:00 -
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Standard copypasta for skill remaps:
It removes the point of having skills to begin with. It removes the point of having attributes. It removes attribute implants from the game. It removes variety and instead encourages FOTM and cookie-cutter setups. It removes the uniqueness, history and "character" of your character. It removes planning and choice and consequences. It removes goal-setting, progression and any achievement in those areas. It kills character trading. It massively boosts older characters over new ones. It introduces "catching up" as a concept in EVE and instantly makes it impossible to do. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Nikola Aivoras
Mercantilist Corporation of New Eden
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Posted - 2012.03.18 20:37:00 -
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Well, what did you expect, this is, after all, the EVE-Online forums. Trolling is an art here.
As for the content of your post, why do you want a skill reset? Why not just train for 'WINMATTAR' now, and keep your Gallente skills for future use? Every race has a useful ship in almost every situation. Getting rid of your Gallente skills only puts you in a box.
So if you want to go to 'WIMATTAR', just train it. Don't ask for a SP reset. It's a tad shortsighted, to be honest. |
Keras Authion
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
74
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Posted - 2012.03.18 20:40:00 -
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Oh come on. We had one of these threads just yesterday. These are a weekly occasion and they get shot down every single time. Please use the forum search button before posting a new thread. |
Tikktokk Tokkzikk
Glorious Revolution The 99 Percent
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Posted - 2012.03.18 20:50:00 -
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I SUPPORT
biomassing the OP. |
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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation RONA Directorate
788
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Posted - 2012.03.18 21:07:00 -
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There are not enough languages in the world to say NO to this. |
Florestan Bronstein
United Highsec Front
457
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Posted - 2012.03.18 21:10:00 -
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you forgot to mention the 17m |
Cunane Jeran
99
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Posted - 2012.03.18 21:12:00 -
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Terrible, TERRIBLE idea.
You made choices, you deal with it. It's bad enough we had to read your train wreck of a WINMATAR thread. How many MMO's do you know that let you flat out swap class.
Go re-roll son. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.03.18 21:15:00 -
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Obsidian Hawk wrote:There are not enough languages in the world to say NO to this. So you pick one language and use variations on a theme. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
CyberGh0st
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.03.18 21:17:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Standard copypasta for skill remaps:
It removes the point of having skills to begin with. It removes the point of having attributes. It removes attribute implants from the game. It removes variety and instead encourages FOTM and cookie-cutter setups. It removes the uniqueness, history and "character" of your character. It removes planning and choice and consequences. It removes goal-setting, progression and any achievement in those areas. It kills character trading. It massively boosts older characters over new ones. It introduces "catching up" as a concept in EVE and instantly makes it impossible to do.
GǪoh, and one more thing: it doesn't actually solve any problem. Skill resets and remaps work for class/level-based systems where you pick a predetermined ability set the moment you pick your class, and cannot break out of it with anything less than a class change. EVE is not such a system. You are not tied down to training any one specific thing. If you want to know something else, you can just train it at any time.
The problem skill remaps are meant to solve do not exist in EVE and the solution to that problem is already built into how skills and skill training work. Instead, adding a remap system to EVE just breaks things.
Couldn't have it said any better |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
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Posted - 2012.03.18 21:19:00 -
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Tovartis Roberts wrote:A one time SP reset would be a really good idea, maybe a 1 time reset for players after 6-12 months so once they have a good idea how the game works and they realise they dont like what they have gon into they have 1 opertunity to properly choose this time which race they would like fly. its takes about a year maybe a bit more to become top statted in all areas for sub caps of one race and even longer for capital.
If you train into the wrong battleship type, but have trained all the support skills, it takes about three to four months to train into another battleship type: the basic hull skill (~50 days), add on the new gunnery skills (~60 days), end of story.
Tom Roberts wrote:Alot of players leave eve because after their first 1-6months of being an oblivious noob they realise they dont actually like the path they are going down and just leave because they cannot be assed to wait another 6 months to become actually good in a new area.
These players that you don't actually know are leaving the game GÇö due to your lack of access to exit surveys, renewal numbers, etc GÇö are people who weren't imaginative enough to try flying the ships they've trained to fly. There is nothing wrong with Gallente ships as rail or drone platforms. The problem is trying to fly blaster boats in fleet combat without suitable warpins or other support. That's one third of the available weapon systems for people flying Gallente.
Tom Roberts wrote:a onetime SP reset for newer players would be a great idea and would keep ALOT of players who are like me but not as patient in the game, it is an epic game, it really is but some people are just not as tolerant and patient and just quit.
If you are not patient enough to wait the six months to train into a completely different line of ships, you are really not the target audience for this game. If you are not able to look at the skills you have and find something interesting to fly, you are not ready for this game. If you can't see the flow-on effects of SP remaps when applied to the entire player base, you are not ready for this game.
You really need to have a plan, and be willing to accept that there are no "wasted" SP in this game, just SP you have spent on things you don't use right now.
Tom Roberts wrote:Please keep the troll comments to yourselves, constructive negative feedback is welcome.
Instructing people to not troll your thread is exactly the conditions that will draw trolls from every forum to troll your thread. Don't do that, it's pointless.
I'll remind you about St Mio's What to do in EVE Online chart. Hopefully it will help you find something interesting to do with the skill set you already have.
And this idea really belongs in Features & Ideas discussion. |
Ezurae
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.18 21:21:00 -
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Nikola Aivoras wrote:Well, what did you expect, this is, after all, the EVE-Online forums. Trolling is an art here.
As for the content of your post, why do you want a skill reset? Why not just train for 'WINMATTAR' now, and keep your Gallente skills for future use? Every race has a useful ship in almost every situation. Getting rid of your Gallente skills only puts you in a box.
So if you want to go to 'WIMATTAR', just train it. Don't ask for a SP reset. It's a tad shortsighted, to be honest.
You mean trolling is a art. seriously learn it...
to say something about the topic:
Tippia wrote:Standard copypasta for skill remaps:
It removes the point of having skills to begin with. It removes the point of having attributes. It removes attribute implants from the game. It removes variety and instead encourages FOTM and cookie-cutter setups. It removes the uniqueness, history and "character" of your character. It removes planning and choice and consequences. It removes goal-setting, progression and any achievement in those areas. It kills character trading. It massively boosts older characters over new ones. It introduces "catching up" as a concept in EVE and instantly makes it impossible to do.
GǪoh, and one more thing: it doesn't actually solve any problem. Skill resets and remaps work for class/level-based systems where you pick a predetermined ability set the moment you pick your class, and cannot break out of it with anything less than a class change. EVE is not such a system. You are not tied down to training any one specific thing. If you want to know something else, you can just train it at any time.
The problem skill remaps are meant to solve do not exist in EVE and the solution to that problem is already built into how skills and skill training work. Instead, adding a remap system to EVE just breaks things.
The list pretty much says it and i bolded the important part of the text.
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Valentyn3
Deep Core Mining Inc.
133
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Posted - 2012.03.18 21:23:00 -
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I would love this but I know it is a terrible idea for pretty much every reason Tippia listed. I don't always use hax. But when I do, it's because I'm an NPC.. http://i.imgur.com/PUZou.jpg
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Poetic Stanziel
Major Kong Freight
769
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Posted - 2012.03.18 21:26:00 -
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Tovartis Roberts wrote:Thanks trolls for getting the thread off to a nice start. Pathetic; i dont know why i even bother with forums. Trolls hit every thread right off the bat. If your thread has legs and can reach page two and three, at that point you'll see the serious people come out of the woodwork to discuss your idea.
Tippia decided to break with tradition though and offer you some valid discussion on the very first page. Bad Tippia, bad! The STAIN Travel Bookmark Collection - 451 Bookmarks |
Digital Messiah
Heroic Era
143
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Posted - 2012.03.18 21:37:00 -
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I would tell you about the character bazaar. but I get the feeling you would fail at argueing how your amazing ability to afk level 4's. "as stated in your gallente should get sp back thread" wouldn't help you in purchasing a desirable character. "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn" Enter a Heroic Era Today |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.03.18 21:38:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Tippia decided to break with tradition though and offer you some valid discussion on the very first page. Bad Tippia, bad! Yeah, but now we're on page 2, so it's ok. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Azure Moonlight
Atomic Core Industries and Science
24
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Posted - 2012.03.18 21:39:00 -
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Complete reskill models would kill this game.
But what might work is a "single skill" reset for an ISK fee with no more than 25% return. So this way you would need ISK first and you must consider that your character will overall loose SP in the process. So when you have a skill with 1 million SP in it you will get 250.000 SP back for reinvestment. For your attention! Market order modification fee (anti-botting, more interesting trading) https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=78351 |
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
98
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Posted - 2012.03.18 22:42:00 -
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OP: Quit EVE and go play Perpetuum Online.
I'm not a big fan of being thier marketing tool but everything you have asked for, they have.
Account based Skill Points, One time free reset, penalty based resets after that. SP over time that builds in the account and can be allocated to a main or an alt. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cg-_HeVNYOk
Save Derpy! |
Terminal Insanity
Convex Enterprises Unprovoked Aggression
294
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Posted - 2012.03.18 22:47:00 -
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So i can be a combat character one week. Switch to max out my marketing skills and research. Then switch back to max pvp skills....
yeah it seems reasonable
But really, people were willing to pay 20 dollars just to have their portrait changed. They are willing to pay PLEX/15-20 dollars to have their attributes remapped.
How much do you plan on charging for a full SP reallocation? 100 dollars? i hope so because if you're only charging 15-20 dollars, many people will be doing this every other week |
J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
149
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Posted - 2012.03.18 22:53:00 -
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I have a solution for you. Biomass your current, oh so horrible gallente toon and start afresh as a minmatar To the whiners :-áCCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" CCP Recurve "However, Incursions are not the biggest ISK faucet, bounties are"
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Kai Tel
State War Academy Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2012.03.18 23:07:00 -
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At this point in EVEGÇÖs evolution I am beginning to wonder if it matters anymore. Crack it up to a crazy question (and I am not asking for change), but does EVE really need a skill point training system anymore? The game has always been more of sim with SP tacked on as an excuse to call it an RPG. Why not just get rid of skill points altogether and simply let people research, build, and pilot what they can learn to play and afford to fly? |
Tovartis Roberts
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
9
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Posted - 2012.03.18 23:59:00 -
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Tovartis Roberts
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2012.03.19 00:02:00 -
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Ioci wrote:OP: Quit EVE and go play Perpetuum Online.
I'm not a big fan of being thier marketing tool but everything you have asked for, they have.
Account based Skill Points, One time free reset, penalty based resets after that. SP over time that builds in the account and can be allocated to a main or an alt.
ill look into that. |
Buzzmong
Aliastra Gallente Federation
162
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Posted - 2012.03.19 00:06:00 -
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Blimey, Tippia came, saw, and bloody well knocked it out of the park. |
masternerdguy
Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate
17
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Posted - 2012.03.19 00:07:00 -
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Kai Tel wrote:At this point in EVEGÇÖs evolution I am beginning to wonder if it matters anymore. Crack it up to a crazy question (and I am not asking for change), but does EVE really need a skill point training system anymore? The game has always been more of sim with SP tacked on as an excuse to call it an RPG. Why not just get rid of skill points altogether and simply let people research, build, and pilot what they can learn to play and afford to fly?
That would be chaos. People in EVE can often afford to fly something long before they have the SP to do it. It would also eliminate the strategic element of planning your training. |
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