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Tony Kael
Caldari
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2008.07.24 22:13:00 -
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Right, its probably about time we all spoke about this as adults.
List your political views towards each empire.
Amarr: Honestly, i find your fundamentalism worrying. I feel it distorts your world views and your arcane beliefs regarding slavery are somewhat dispicable. Working for money is fine, working under drug-induced subservience is not.
Gallente: Nice political system, not so sure about your arrogance. It may be the way it is perceived outside your borders but possessing the moral highground also means you shouldn't thrust it into people's faces.
Minmatar: Sympathy, above all else. You are obviously a proud people and i hold absolutely no bad feelings for you whatsoever. You are victims of a cruel exploitation by a deranged power.
However, you have the unfortunate fate of finding yourselves aligned with the Gallente. And whatever the motivations for the attack on the Ihukone station - and i am aware of 'outside' influences - you are allied with our enemy.
Caldari - as a pod-pilot i am exempt from certain constraints regarding the vocalisation of my views. We are clearly authoritarian and also exhibit often worrying levels of xenophobia which makes inter-race relations difficult and frustrating. Especially for those of us who have experienced life outside across the respective empires. We are obviously at odds with the democratic and liberal Gallente. Though if i am honest i find that there is a common enemy to be found in the dark and dangerous mysticism of the Amarr empire.
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Veron Daerth
Amarr
Blood Meridian
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Posted - 2008.07.24 22:49:00 -
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Well.. I am a bit biased, being an Amarrian, but here it is.
Amarr: I am worried about the levels of fanaticism and zealotry that seems to be dominating the upper levels of government. An Imperial system is perfectly fine and viable as a government, and is much more stable than a democracy, sometimes too stable, resulting in cultural stasis. The goals of the Empire need to be re0dedicated to what they were in the beginning, the Enlightenment of the peoples of the galaxy, but need to be changed to make them more compatible in the modern era, slavery should probably be phased out and the slaves integrated into Aamrrian society (much like the Ni-Kuuni), like it was originally intended. A bit more open mindedness wouldnt hurt either.
Gallente: Your idealism and passion often overcome your good sense, and your sense of propriety leaves me... well, somewhat shocked. That said, its your life and it seems to have worked out so far. I am sure that your open mindedness could be advantageous to those that wish to teach you of God's Word. A more peaceful missionary program in the Federation could accomplish much. The Faith might not get too far, socially, but it will at least be there if some of you feel the need to seek it out. Your government needs to be trimmed down, far too many bureaucrats, far too much red tape, far too little accountability. The fascination with the flash and glamor of your social elites is also... distressing to one such as myself. The notion of propriety and privacy does not combine well with the latest holo-vid of some celebrity debutante getting wasted and crashing her light-flyer or groundcar, or her latest ill advised sexual escapade, or latest messy divorce. You do make great movies though.
Caldari: Your work ethic and willingness to set aside personal desires to labor for the common good is most commendable. I could do with a bit less of the xenophobia and hateful rhetoric. (In Amarr too for that matter) Your desire for a strong leadership to keep in check the desires of the mob is also commendable. I am wary of Tibus Heth and do not trust his leadership. Establishing your base of power on hate and distrust is like building your house on sand, ill advised at best.
Minmatar: Hmm...what to say. Learn some patience, and I dont mean as individuals, but as a people. Social changes dont often happen overnight, and when they do, its always for the worst, and often includes shooting and running and dying. Do not stoop to the level of those you claim to oppose. Do not become what you fight. Down that path lies destruction, for all of us, yourselves included. Do not sacrifice your nobility and virtues to gain victory for a time, this always ends badly, and is never worth the cost. Your Virtue is like virginity or innocence, once its gone, you cant get it back, even if you wish you could. Accept that you cannot always achieve total victory, and make the best deal you can for the sakes of those you would aid, Matari slave and non Matari slave alike. Learn to forgive, but not forget, and remember that all of us are human, and make mistakes.
I am unsure if this is acceptable or what you had in mind Pilot Kael, but it is what wisdom I have to offer.
God grant you all solace and comfort when you need it most. May His light guide and warm you should you find yourself in the darkness.
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BloodBird
Gallente
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.07.24 23:03:00 -
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I will alter this space later to reflect my own political views on the matter, but for now, I do not have the time.
There is one thing I hope for though: Mr. Kael asked for us all to speak up about the different ideals we share as ADULTS - do us all a favor and DO NOT start a flame war in here, don't toss crap about the enemy you love to hate, and if you can't post anything about them that is nothing but a flame or whine, then please don't post about it at all.
I hope we can all share views in here as civilized people.
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Tony Kael
Caldari
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2008.07.24 23:37:00 -
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 Originally by: BloodBird
I will alter this space later to reflect my own political views on the matter, but for now, I do not have the time.
There is one thing I hope for though: Mr. Kael asked for us all to speak up about the different ideals we share as ADULTS - do us all a favor and DO NOT start a flame war in here, don't toss crap about the enemy you love to hate, and if you can't post anything about them that is nothing but a flame or whine, then please don't post about it at all.
I hope we can all share views in here as civilized people.
i am not entirely sure if that was directed at myself especially or as plea to anyone who may post here.
though i will address both:
if i have come across in a taunting or aggressive way then i apologise for that as i hoped to spark a discussion based on individual views which may transcend empire stereotypes.
if it was a general plea to ensure that people do not simply spew empire propoganda then i completely agree.
Gallente - i am at war with you due to events rather than a disagreement over methods. There are aspects of my character which admire your political system and and approach to life.
As a race you enjoy the freedom of worship, of opinion, of choice. As a system you are by far the most well-rounded. However aggression is aggression and we find each other on the opposite sides of the line so-to-speak.
I enjoyed my time in Gallente space and found your people most welcoming, but i also have a duty to my state and there are things i cannot let slip.
When this is over, and i am sure it well be, im sure we shall once again enjoy the benefits of each others communities.
until then, good luck.
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Stitcher
Caldari
Duty.
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Posted - 2008.07.24 23:47:00 -
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For my part...
Amarr: Oft-misunderstood, but also partially deserving of the hatred directed at them. Home to some of the most noble men and women in the cluster, but also some of its greatest villains. I can't, in good conscience, endorse the practice of slavery, but in my opinion it is up to the Amarr to wean themselves off it. An otherwise noble people poisoned by the zealotry and arrogance of some of their most powerful leaders.
Gallente: Arrogant, pompous and meddling. Utterly convinced that their mode of government will work for all humanity, despite mountains of evidence to the contrary (in the form of centuries of violent opposition to it). Conversely, their motives are honourable, and I cannot fault them for attempting to work in the best interests of all humanity - I just think that their cultural world-view is naive, and that they should learn not to try and convert people who do not want to be converted. Oddly enough, it's rare for me to meet an individual Federation citizen I dislike, which just goes to show that the mob is a very different creature to the man.
Minmatar: The hostility between the Matari and my people confuses me - to an extent, there's reason to believe we should be kindred spirits, having both escaped from the dominion of a more powerful culture hell-bent on stamping our native ones out. I cannot deny the powerful dignity of their fight to correct the grave injustice that was done them in ages past. Nevertheless, the Minmatar are marred by impetuosity and impatience, having produced more than their fair share of fanatics and terrorists - Many of which are in danger of becoming everything they claim to despise - callous overlords with no regard for human life. Some have already crossed that threshold, and their government, in all its forms, has proven ineffective at restraining their more fired-up citizens. Minmatar zealots have run rough-shod over galactic law time and again, with the result that, of all the cultures, the Minmatar are the ones I fear the most.
Caldari: I've seen enough of the galaxy to realise just how cold and alien we must seem to some people. I suppose millennia of hardship spent growing up on a half-terraformed rock barely suitable for human habitation will do that to a people. The selfish memes and genes were culled from us very quickly, and left us without some of the empathy that other cultures have. Still, we have our ethics and our honour, strange as our values may seem to some others. We are not as uniform a race as some outsiders believe - how else could we have produced two such wildly different men as Otro Gariushi and Tibus Heth? We have been wronged time and again, and wronged in return... and one of the greatest wrongs we have ever perpetrated was the ascension to power of Tibus Heth. In time, though, our nature will be remembered and we will not tolerate the presence of one man at the top. We work for the good of ALL Caldari, not of one man. Tibus Heth will fall, and when that happens, the State will be richer for it. He has, after all, managed to do some good for us.
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Tony Kael
Caldari
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2008.07.24 23:51:00 -
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Originally by: Stitcher
Tibus Heth will fall, and when that happens, the State will be richer for it. He has, after all, managed to do some good for us.
worrying developments i must agree.
he is, like so many in history, able to play on our deepest insecurities and exploit them in order to create cultural unity.
these ties are based on weak foundations but have ultimately led to the situation we find ourselves in.
do i want war? do i enjoy it? no.
but am i obliged by my race and my duty? yes.
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Stitcher
Caldari
Duty.
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Posted - 2008.07.24 23:56:00 -
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Originally by: Tony Kael
do i want war? do i enjoy it? no.
but am i obliged by my race and my duty? yes.
Exactly. And yet people still insist on claiming that those of us who fight for the State are supporting the bastard.
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Tony Kael
Caldari
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2008.07.24 23:57:00 -
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Originally by: Stitcher
Originally by: Tony Kael
do i want war? do i enjoy it? no.
but am i obliged by my race and my duty? yes.
Exactly. And yet people still insist on claiming that those of us who fight for the State are supporting the bastard.
war-mongerers and simple minded aggresionists.
worryingly peace wont be achieved whilst one of them is in power.
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Natalcya Katla
Naqam
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Posted - 2008.07.25 00:35:00 -
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Interesting subject. Here are my views.
Gallente Federation:
In as much as anything can be generalized about the Federation, racial tolerance has come an admirably long way here as compared to the other major interplanetary powers. The citizens of the Federation seem to have an easy time adapting to and integrating with the cultures of others, and this is an admirable trait.
They are however whimsical and independent-minded by nature, and much of their government is chaotic, ineffective, corrupt and completely at the mercy of populist currents. In short, Gallente as a rule are commendably egalitarian, but could use a greater level of social discipline and more practice in working towards a single, unified national purpose.
Caldari State:
The Caldari as a rule are a highly disciplined, structured and collectivist-minded people. Individual sacrifice for the benefit of society has always had a prominent place in the Caldari mindset, and this is a philosophy other cultures would do well to adopt.
The State's greatest weakness used to be its decentralized power structure, with its ruling megacorporations scheming against each other almost as fervently as against outside parties, but under the current regime, a much more efficient model has taken its place.
There is much that is good about the Caldari mindset, but it has one horrendous, appalling fault, and that is its blatant racism and cultural segregationism. The Caldari are easily as racially and culturally conscious as the Amarr, but where the Amarr at least endeavor to assimilate other cultures into their own worldview, the Caldari seem to cling to the unhealthy idea that such cultural segregation is right and proper. That needs to change.
Minmatar Republic:
For all the friction along tribal lines and the recent upheavals in government, when push comes to shove, the Minmatar Republic seems to show an admirable ability to gather its people under the banner of a unified national purpose. There exists a sense of camaraderie and solidarity inbetween the Minmatar that is unmatched by any of the other planet-originated cultures, and this sense of solidarity is the Minmatar culture's finest trait.
The downside to this trait is that it emphasizes blood relations and consequently racial divides rather than the sharing of a common habitat or a common political vision. The Minmatar culture also suffers from an unhealthy reliance on redundant superstitious beliefs and practices, and an equally unhealthy obsession with the past, with the dead and with obsolete tradition. The Minmatar ought to focus on creating a new future, rather than trying to recapture the distant past.
Amarrian Empire:
The most admirable qualities in the traditional Amarrian mindset are the strong focus on law, order, self-discipline, formality and structure. The strong codification of society through written law is in my opinion the greatest achievement of the Amarrian Empire as a civilization. Their desire to extend this law to the rest of humanity is also in principle an admirable ambition, and their level of social cohesion is surprisingly high given the size of their population.
The by far greatest flaw of the Empire as I see it, is their decision to place what I consider to be a fictional creature at the top of their political and cultural pyramid. Although God for the most part can be viewed as a pure social construct whose edicts are formed by what the people in government consider important to contemporary society, it still comes off as an irresponsible, backwards and even potentially dangerous thing to do. Their idea of a racial hierarchy and their practice of slavery on racial and religious grounds are likewise distasteful practices that they could do much better without.
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Kitoba
Minmatar
Legion of Dynamic Discord
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Posted - 2008.07.25 00:38:00 -
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Edited by: Kitoba on 25/07/2008 00:42:48
This, of course, boils down to stereotypes:
Amarr:
Spiritually vastly mistaken psychopaths unable to notice any contradiction in their minds.
Gallente:
Self-indulgence addicted idealists unable to notice any contradiction between their beliefs and the mechanics of the universe.
Matar:
Slavishly following individuality until they're standing alone and get mardy. Probably need to have a closer look at the Caldari.
Caldari:
Slavishly following authority until they're fed up with it and become managers that still don't know anything any better than anybody else. Probably need to have a closer look at the Matar.
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Buduran
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.07.25 00:40:00 -
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Let's give it a try then..
Amarr: Strong rulership, coupled with the True Faith and the unshakeable stability based on tradition - a perfect combination in my opinion. Although this has bogged down the will of my people in a way in the recent years. The Eternal Empire could use jumping into a higher gear, and I'm not talking about starting the Reclaiming here. That being said, I feel that somewhere along the way we overlooked another, calmer method of reconquering the Kingdom of God, namely by preaching. There are truly many out there that could find new strength to live their lives within the House of the One. Also costs less in ship hulls.
Caldari: I admire these people, really. Their drive, their conviction and passion, and most of all, SELFLESSNESS! By God, the State is made to accomplish great things! Our nations are very much alike in many aspects. I must also say I always found your way of governing your State a bit peculiar, with everything so decentralised and broken down into this endless sea of businesses... Mr. Heth's rise to power must be something new to you I imagine.
Gallente: Now these people have no respect for anything! It never ceases to amaze me how they keep their empire intact when they continuously spit at their leaders, bicker amongst each other over the weirdest of things, have absolutely no respect for any kind of holiness or tradition and, worst of all, elect their rulers based almost on sympathy alone! And don't even get me started on the translucent clothes... PLEASE!
Minmatar: To tell the truth, their close relationship with the Gallente isn't doing them very good. The Reclaiming and all the other usual things aside, it seems miraculous they ever manage to agree on anything with that curious government system of theirs in place. That said, when they finally really do agree on something they are not to be underestimated. On a different note, a while back I heard news of more and more Minmatars emigrating to the Federation because of disastrous living conditions. While I've never been to the Republic (the customs officials for some reason kept turning me away grunting something in that funny language of theirs), this does start to worry me. Aren't they afraid of becoming a Federation province? Or then again, those Scope reporters do tend to make issues out of small details...
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Kitoba
Minmatar
Legion of Dynamic Discord
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Posted - 2008.07.25 00:42:00 -
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Edited by: Kitoba on 25/07/2008 00:42:23
*wrong button*
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Esna Pitoojee
Amarr
Heavily Utilized Mechanic Mayhem
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Posted - 2008.07.25 00:54:00 -
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Amarr - a mix of sadness and anger; sadness that our nation has fallen to such a sad state of corruption, terror, and sillyness, and anger that we did nothing to stop it. Just how far we've taken slavery overboard is one main source of my anger.
Caldari - quite frankly, Tibius Heth's policies apall me. He may be widely supported by the Caldari people, but that is no excuse for calling all people of Gallente blood "traitors" and having them locked up. Besides, he is disrupting several of the core values of the State, which makes me... suspicious, to say the least. Especially because many of those changes put more power under his influence.
Gallente - my feelings for the Gallente Federation are somewhat mixed. I have a grudging respect for their whole-hearted defense of thier morals, but I am also somewhat disturbed - as are, I suppose, many Amarr - by some of the side-affects of their lifestyle, including the mass-consumption of some drugs and the countless holodramas that portray the Amarr as evil, tyrannical villians. Seriously, we're not all like that - every time I see another one of those, I feel like I'm being spit on.
As to having the moral high ground, well, everyone believes they have the moral high ground, and everyone likes to shove it in everyone else's faces. Even the Jovians - they just do it more quietly than the rest of us.
Minmatar Republic - the Minmatar have gotten kicked again and again - first by us Amarrians enslaving them, then by the myriad pirate factions that descended on them to pick over what we left behind, and most recently by the massive numbers of citizens leaving the Republic for the Federation. They finally decided to try and kick back, and to be fair, they did a good job. I'm somewhat apprehensive about relations with the Republic (a good number of its citizens are trying to kill me, after all) but I do hope that an agreement can be found between the Minmatar that doesn't require the death of all Amarr or the enslavement of all Minmatar.
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Kyoko Sakoda
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.07.25 02:25:00 -
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Amarr: Really, just about every government in the known universe should be united in purpose against the Empire like they should be against the Sansha's Nation. But if Sarum makes any strides, it might just happen, so I'm content to leave them to their own demise. There are too many gods roaming the skies nowadays for this god to emerge victorious. Faith is not altogether a bad thing, until the context of religious scripture is lost in a pile of pride and bigotry. I feel for the more liberal-minded among you.
Minmatar: Gotta say when it comes to the Amarr-Minmatar conflict that's emerging, I'm pretty much on their side. They're more vindictive than they should be, and I get the feeling that it hurts them in their everyday lives. The Republic isn't a friend to me, but I wish it well in the fight.
Gallente: Possibly the most culturally diverse empire and a lottery because of it. I get along fine with most Gallenteans unless they start trying to play political games. Democracy is a messy process, too fickle. What works for the melting pot doesn't work for everyone else. I fear this kind of ideological crusading might rise once again from the unity that's sure to be felt once the Federation recovers from its blow. It'll give the State a real, tangible reason to hate the Federation again, rather than the smoke and mirrors laid over the eyes of the Caldari populace by Tibus Heth.
Caldari: I thought they were smarter than this. Really, I did. What advantage does reclaiming Caldari Prime give us? What the State could have done peacefully was done by force, under the command of a senseless racist with a staggering amount of wealth that just so happens to be backing him. Maybe his domestic policies will work out well for the State's citizens, but I'm not counting on it. Leaving one man in power time and time again proves less than constructive. Soon Heth will become an example of the very real corruption he was talking about, and when that time comes, you all better ****ing take action like you did against CC.
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Illuvian
Gallente
Heretic Militia
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Posted - 2008.07.25 05:26:00 -
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Mine will likely go a bit more in depth about the politics about each nation as most of the stereotypes have been said already.
Amarr: If they would abandon the idea of owning people and stop all this talk about reclaiming all the lesser races I don't think I would be try to killing their pilots so often. Their attachment to history and tradition is admirable. Sarum I believe will keep this war going as long as possible.
Gallente: My former homeland and people ... my feelings are understandably complicated. They should have dealt with the issue of Caldari Prime a long time ago. As much as they speak of freedom they should to improving their own home and fixing the ridiculous political processes that they use before they go around preaching to everyone else.
Caldari: Uniting under Heth is the largest mistake the Caldari have made. I mourn Otro Gariushi's death... I fear he really was the last hope for peace between the Caldari and Gallente.
Matari: My adoptive and half-blood relatives are unusual in many ways. I think that the move to tribal government is a smart one, the tribal government compensates for the disagreements of the tribes and guarantees that each Tribe has a modi****of independence.
The recent events make everything much more complicated, because I think that peace is possible between the Gallente, Caldari, and Matari, it is the Amarr that concern me. I believe that unless they are willing to stop trading in people that our fight will have to the Matari to the heart of the empire. That said, I fight because I don't see an alternative.
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Gottii
Minmatar
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2008.07.25 07:57:00 -
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Edited by: Gottii on 25/07/2008 08:01:10
Alright then...
Gallente Great at parties, fun at the bar, they generally pick up the tab. However, their lifestyle doesnt lend itself well to success in bar fights, but they can be nasty in a pod. They try not to force their morals on you, which is less impressive than it sounds, because sometimes they seem to have few. However, the ones I've met seem to be good folks underneath their transparent clothing, and the Federation as a nation does seem well meaning, if sometimes clumsy.
To be honest, their tendency to treat us Minmatar as wayward younger brothers is sometimes patronizing, however its much better than them trying to enslave us like you know who. Overall, good people if sometimes undisciplined.
Also, Gallente women have a thing for Brutor men....
Caldari Not very fun at parties, afraid to go to the bar because someone from the office might seem them, and its easier to get an Amarr to dance than to get them to pick up the check. Growing up bullying scrawny Achura seems to misled the Civire into thinking they're great in a fight, which makes for really entertaining cultural interactions when they make the mistake of picking a bar fight with a Brutor.
To me, the Caldari can best be summed up by the taupe color they always paint their corporate offices; uniform, unassuming, bland, dispassionate, yet somehow seemingly unsettling, eerie and foreboding.
There's certainly a lot of them as pod pilots, and for awhile I thought New Eden was going to be overrun by hordes of angry ex-accountants. However, the recent wars have shown they seem to fight like ex-accountants, so that threat seems less worrisome. They also seem to have problems picking moral leaders or allies. Overall, I'm unimpressed.
However, Caldari women have a thing for Brutor men....
Amarr Ah, spirits above, where to start. They burn you for having parties, they would rather go to secret debauched pleasure cults in hidden rooms of their churches than the bar, and if by divine miracle they pay for their own drinks, they sell your mother to pay for the check. I'm guessing their scrawny, atrophied bodies would be worthless in a bar fight.
It's hard to be flippant about these guys, they would devour the universe if they could. However, a life of sloth and gluttony while ordering slaves around doesn't really produce fearsome warriors. Also, for some reason the mercenary pod pilots of other races don't seem to want to fight for a race of judgmental, hypocritical, greedy, preachy, tyrannanical slaveowners.
However, I firmly believe the reason they enslaved us in the first place and started this whole mess is that Amarr women have a thing for Brutor men and couldnt restrain themselves....
Minmatar We're great at parties, we close down bars, and our pride keeps us from letting anyone pay our tab. We're hell on earth in a bar fight, and we'll happily take a beating rather than leave a friend. We do have our bad traits, we're stubborn, our tempers can get the better of us, some of us are less than urbane, and a lot of us cant seem to let go centuries of enslavement, torture, and imprisonment.
I think the biggest problem of my people is that we define ourselves only by what we're against, not what we're for. We know who we're not, we're not tyrants like our former "hosts", but we dont know who we are exactly. Hopefully, we'll find our way.
And it goes without saying Minmatar women love Brutor men....
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Heartstone
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.07.25 08:20:00 -
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Note I have changed the groups a tad as my views are about the respective governing bodies not the entire race of people.
Amarrian Empire: A very backward thinking and restrictive government who cannot help but stifle development in both technological and social terms. The entrenched belief in the practice of Slavery under the guise of helping others is typical of a society that doesn't want to take responsibility for its own actions. Above all others the Empire must fall to enable the future.
Caldari State: Tibus Heth is dangerous. The Caldari started with such hope for the future. A strong beacon of independence and self deterministic governance. Unfortunately every step down the road led further and further away from these ideals and resulted in Heth. Heth is a leap from where the State was before him but only a leap further down the same road.
Gallente Federation: Where to start? Hypocritical leeches. The Federation preaches Liberty without Freedom. It champions Free Speech with Censorship. One only needs to look at the actions of the federation when it comes to the Caldari and the Intaki to know exactly how they really feel about others finding their own way. They would chain Freedom to a wall, muzzle it and then point to it saying "Look we have Freedom. There it is." The Federation is dangerous in it's duplicity.
Minmatar Republic: The brightest hope for the future is born in the furnace. The Republic is in flux right now. As they were before the "intervention" in universal affairs by the Elders they were in danger of following the Gallente down the path of corruption and hypocrisy. Now there is a golden future possible to see for the Republic and only time will tell.
Of course this only covers the core inner "original" big four empires. There are many many more scattered throughout the universe in their pocket fiefdoms which are worthy of note but for now those are my personal answers to your questions. However I will say this. Support for a Militia is support for the governing body of the people NOT support for the people. If you want to support the people there are thousands of ways you can do that without putting on the Collar of Heth, The Robe of Sarum or the Pink Furry Handcuffs of Foiritan.
Long Live the Future. Long Life the Individual. Long Live the Fighters.
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Sepherim
Amarr
Ordo Quaesitoris
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Posted - 2008.07.25 15:12:00 -
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Amarr: the Chosen of God, and for such justily arrogant. Tradition is the key to their society, and that means all their traditions including slavery. Of course this generates problems, but it can't be set aside like if it was nothing. It is also a much more diverse nation than most believe.
Caldari: busy and hardworkers, you could say that, to some extent, they are the non-religious version of the Empire. Instead of five Heir families and minor ones, they have Megacorporations and smaller corporations. Instead of slavery they have busy workers. Pity they are dragged by a lack of personnel and have to resort from time to time to tube children.
Gallente: the chainmail hidden under the silk glove. They look interesting, soffisticate, intelligent, but underneath they are power-mongers or hedonistic. They believe theirs is the right way, and are sure to advance it through whatever means, be it cultural assimilation, demography, or war. They are diverse, and believe that choosing their leaders makes them democratic, but in truth the political career is closed to most and only those members of a small elite can enter it; and once in power, those persons defend the interests of their elite instead of those that voted them. It is an Empire, in disguise, so well hid that they all believe their own lies.
Minmatarr: the only ones that don't act as an Empire in any way, though they would like to, they are lapdogs to their Gallente masters in too many ways. They almost copied the political structure of the Federation, and it didn't work. Partially because they were sabotaged from the inside by the Elders who took an enormous part of their ressources to prepare for a war. Thus, most Minmatarr don't live in their own country... and if they don't like their own space, what more can be said?
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Verone
Gallente
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.07.25 16:18:00 -
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The fact of the matter is that politicians and Governments can never be trusted. Corruption is everywhere, no matter how often their leaders attempt to deny it.
A false sense of power, that which a politician feels, causes this corruption as they bend the rules to try and push the way to the top of the ladder.
Personally, I'm happy to watch them all burn so long as there's someone left over somewhere to sell the ashes to at a profit.
Real power is never given. It's something you take.
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Aria Jenneth
Caldari
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.07.25 22:13:00 -
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Edited by: Aria Jenneth on 25/07/2008 22:13:43
Very nice, Mr. Gotti, though I might point out that scrawny Achur children are rare off of Saisio III and dangerous to push around on it because so many are either from monkish families or have received training from one. Also, the race I personally see Caldari women fall for time and again is the Gallente. That's certainly where I've made my own worst mistakes.
Anyhow....
Amarr: a threat, if their religion gets out of control. Otherwise, the sheer age of their society gives the lie to any claims of stupidity, laziness, lack of sophistication, or imbalance in its structure. It's possibly the most solidly founded Empire of humanity.
The real pity of it is that the Amarr know this and attribute it to divine will demonstrating their God-given superiority, as opposed to well-executed social engineering. Their attribution of most everything to divine will and purpose may be part and parcel of their success, but also makes them dangerous to the rest of us.
Minmatar: Such a brilliant people, so very lost in rage. Really, who can blame them? If another people had done its flat best to annihilate my culture over a period of a thousand years and was still trying, I'd also have difficulty thinking constructively about it.
What they do with themselves once they calm down, now, that will be worth seeing.
Gallente: If there's a more self-centered people in the cluster, I have no idea who. I mean that in both the collective and individual senses; the Gallente are, as a people, fantastically arrogant in their individualism. The Amarr think that they are Right, but at least the Amarr don't voice profound disappointment in you if you disagree. They expect it: you're not Amarr and should therefore be caught and educated. The Gallente, on the other hand, consider themselves not only Right, but obviously Right, and frequently attribute disagreement to deficiency in morals, understanding, or basic intelligence. They won't try to catch and teach you; they'll just bombard you with holovids overflowing with their own cultural perspective in order to undermine yours.
Well ... of course, that was before the war. We'll see how that translates, I suppose, once they capture a system or two. (On which, Mr. Gottii, we're still waiting. The ex-accountants are ahead.)
Caldari: I feel sorry for Heth. No, seriously, I do. He's now the sole, unquestioned leader of a nation at war, and therefore the sole subject on whom blame for losses suffered is most likely to fall. He's also everybody's superior in a nation with a fondness for infighting and a history of borderline regicide (see the Tea Maker Ceremony and other unorthodox methods of corporate succession). He's taken the proverbial tiger by the tail, and if he slips he'll find a group of executives wearing large, feline smiles gathered around the far side of a tea tray at the next (and probably last) meeting he attends.
He's given the Caldari what many of them have wanted for decades. Now, he has to keep up the performance, because if he can't, he'd best hope that the Maker has a soft spot in His heart for him.
The Caldari State is at its best when it's acting as a shield for the Caldari peoples and their cultures. I'm less comfortable with this vision of the State as sword, but, like the Minmatar, the Caldari left something that belonged to them behind enemy lines, and eventually someone decided to take it back. It's not my homeworld, but it's still thrilling to watch.
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Kyoko Sakoda
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.07.25 22:28:00 -
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Originally by: "Aria Jenneth"
The Amarr think that they are Right, but at least the Amarr don't voice profound disappointment in you if you disagree. They expect it: you're not Amarr and should therefore be caught and educated. The Gallente, on the other hand, consider themselves not only Right, but obviously Right, and frequently attribute disagreement to deficiency in morals, understanding, or basic intelligence.
In my experience suuolo there's little difference here. The Amarr also attribute disagreement to deficiencies of this perceived nature, particularly when it comes to the Minmatar.
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Aria Jenneth
Caldari
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.07.25 22:33:00 -
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Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda
In my experience suuolo there's little difference here. The Amarr also attribute disagreement to deficiencies of this perceived nature, particularly when it comes to the Minmatar.
I suspect that's because the Minmatar were given a taste of divinity and decided they wanted nothing of it, suuolo. The Amarr take poorly to that; I've even seen a few of them claiming that the Minmatar are damned as a whole, as a result.
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Gottii
Minmatar
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2008.07.26 04:18:00 -
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Originally by: Aria Jenneth
Very nice, Mr. Gotti
You're far too kind, Ms. Jenneth.
Originally by: Aria Jenneth
Also, the race I personally see Caldari women fall for time and again is the Gallente. That's certainly where I've made my own worst mistakes.
We all go by our own experiences....
Originally by: Aria Jenneth
I suppose, once they capture a system or two. (On which, Mr. Gottii, we're still waiting. The ex-accountants are ahead.)
<grins> And I'm certain you have the spreadsheet to prove it, Ms. Jenneth. I'm certain the debits and credits of war add to eventual Caldari victory.
I apologize if my broad, cude generalizations offended, present company was excluded of course...
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Aria Jenneth
Caldari
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.07.26 07:59:00 -
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Originally by: Gottii
<grins> And I'm certain you have the spreadsheet to prove it, Ms. Jenneth. I'm certain the debits and credits of war add to eventual Caldari victory.
Actually, it's the Interstellar Correspondents who have the spreadsheet, Mr. Gottii. It can be found here.
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Karanth
Gallente
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.07.26 12:37:00 -
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Oh, this should prove interesting.
Amarr: Misguided fools.
Caldari: Misguided fools.
Gallente: Slightly less misguided fools.
Minmatar: Misguided fools.
Other factions such as the Kingdom, Mandate, Thukkers, etc: Misguided fools.
Now, I can understand doing things your own way, I can. But, everyone should be working together, instead of against each other. Each faction and empire brings something good to the table... when they are not attempting to kill each other. I prefer the Federation over all of the others, because of the way it handles the melding of everything so effectively.
If people could work together, that would be nice. But, I know that that is impossible without a whole lot more dying happening, so we should get on with it.
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