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Valandril Caldari Exiled. Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.07.25 02:33:00 - [1] There were some projects for old iphone, there are some alive web based but is there any client ? I'm sure it's not hard to write simple watcher using sdk (tho i don't have mac so no sdk for me) so did someone wrote one yet ? ---
Verite Rendition Caldari F.R.E.E. Explorer	Posted - 2008.07.25 11:23:00 - [2] Nope. There are currently no native EVE-related applications for the iPhone. ---- FREE Explorer Lead Megalomanic EVE Null-Sec Player Influence Map http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/Veritefw/FWinf
PyjamaSam Minmatar Vanguard Frontiers Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.07.25 14:13:00 - [3] Hopefully after this weekend I should have a proof of concept skill monitor app that can use either Gatecamper or the native URLs for the api. Once I get a little further along I'll be looking for beta testers. chris.
PyjamaSam Minmatar Vanguard Frontiers Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.07.27 01:03:00 - [4] After hacking around today I managed to get this far. Need to implement the skill xml fetching now. But its a good start. I am aiming to make this as simple as possible initially. Just shows the currently training skill. Nothing fancy. h.264 video (1.8mb quicktime - plays in vlc just fine) http://www.chrisandtennille.com/video/iPhoneSkillMonitor.mov chris.
Valandril Caldari Exiled. Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.07.27 01:11:00 - [5] Ooooh looks nice, and to solve big problem (entering api key) you could allow poiting to txt file with it (ie. you write addr: http://puciek.pl/key.txt and soft will open text file and load content as key) ---
Trebor Daehdoow Gallente LEAP Corp Ursa Stellar Initiative	Posted - 2008.07.27 01:53:00 - [6] EViE (http://www.madoverlord.com/projects/evie.t) is a full-featured skill monitoring applet for the iPhone (as well as Safari, Exploder, Firefox and Opera). It's javascript-based and communicates with a custom proxy server that provides backend services, like training-completion emails (which can be sent to your phone using an email-to-sms gateway). It implements all the basic features: full skill info including prerequisites, skill prioritization, character and implant info, and much more. Realistically, an iPhone SDK-based native app is a lot of work and doesn't really buy you much functionality over the javascript-applet + proxy server approach. Best,R World Domination - It's fun for the entire family! EViE - The iPhone / iPod Touch Skill Training Monitor
Valandril Caldari Exiled. Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.07.27 04:07:00 - [7] Edited by: Valandril on 27/07/2008 04:07:47 Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow EViE (http://www.madoverlord.com/projects/evie.t) is a full-featured skill monitoring applet for the iPhone (as well as Safari, Exploder, Firefox and Opera). It's javascript-based and communicates with a custom proxy server that provides backend services, like training-completion emails (which can be sent to your phone using an email-to-sms gateway). It implements all the basic features: full skill info including prerequisites, skill prioritization, character and implant info, and much more. Realistically, an iPhone SDK-based native app is a lot of work and doesn't really buy you much functionality over the javascript-applet + proxy server approach. Best,R There is advantage of native browser, which is beeing avialable without connection. To access applet you must have internet access and navigate to page, just to see when u got nearest skillchange while with native client you can just open it and see when this skill will end because it stored data localy (+ you can automaticaly set alerts in your phone so u won't miss it). And it's not that much of work if you got mac and can use sdk. ---
Jadyks Mekhami	Posted - 2008.07.27 07:30:00 - [8] How about a full-function universe map? I'm thinking, First level, regions. Second level, solar systems. 3rd level, solar system information including medical bay availability, insurance, fw office, things like that.
Verite Rendition Caldari F.R.E.E. Explorer	Posted - 2008.07.27 10:20:00 - [9] Originally by: Valandril Edited by: Valandril on 27/07/2008 04:07:47 Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow EViE (http://www.madoverlord.com/projects/evie.t) is a full-featured skill monitoring applet for the iPhone (as well as Safari, Exploder, Firefox and Opera). It's javascript-based and communicates with a custom proxy server that provides backend services, like training-completion emails (which can be sent to your phone using an email-to-sms gateway). It implements all the basic features: full skill info including prerequisites, skill prioritization, character and implant info, and much more. Realistically, an iPhone SDK-based native app is a lot of work and doesn't really buy you much functionality over the javascript-applet + proxy server approach. Best,R There is advantage of native browser, which is beeing avialable without connection. To access applet you must have internet access and navigate to page, just to see when u got nearest skillchange while with native client you can just open it and see when this skill will end because it stored data localy (+ you can automaticaly set alerts in your phone so u won't miss it). And it's not that much of work if you got mac and can use sdk. Furthermore I'm not sure I'd trust a 3rd party website with my data. ---- FREE Explorer Lead Megalomanic EVE Null-Sec Player Influence Map http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/Veritefw/FWinf
Trebor Daehdoow Gallente LEAP Corp Ursa Stellar Initiative	Posted - 2008.07.27 14:04:00 - [10] Originally by: Verite Rendition Furthermore I'm not sure I'd trust a 3rd party website with my data.. That's your choice. But let me point out several things: 1) The only thing that EViE or anything else that uses the API (like EveMon, or EFT) needs is the account number and API key; they don't get access to your password or account name. 2) Assuming there is info available through the API that you don't want others to potentially see, it then it becomes an issue of "who do you trust?" Do you trust me, who wrote a smart proxy? Do you trust the authors of EveMon? Do you trust the author of an iPhone app? Any software author is in a position to potentially abuse your trust. 3) EViE is open-source (I think EveMon is too?) I'll provide you with the source for the proxy on demand. Assuming you have a commercial realbasic license, you can compile it and run it on your own machine (with a free trial key, I think you'll be limited to 15 minute runtimes). 4) None of the above will protect you against a malicious uber-coder with mad skills. Needless to say, that describes me perfectly, except for the "malicious" part. In answer to Valandril, yes, there are some things that a native client can do that a javascript applet can't, or that require some serious duct-tape (like having the proxy handle sending emails to a SMS gateway to implement alerts). The real issue is: is it worth the effort? My experience with using EViE is that 95% of my use of the applet is on my laptop in a full browser window (try it, it does some cute things when it sees it has a big window to work with). I was surprised by this, but it's true. The iPhone capability gets used for paranoia "do I need to get home soon?" kind of checks. That's one of the reasons EViE has some cute syncing of preference cookies between multiple instances; you can change things on your laptop, and when you run it on the iPhone, everything updates. Also, you're going to need an internet connection every time you use any sort of skill-training app, because it has to query the current state, otherwise it will be running off stale information. This is not in any way to dissuade anyone from writing an iPhone-native app if you think it's a cool project. Go for it. I wrote EViE for the same reasons. I'm just letting you know what I've learned along the way. BTW, one native app that I really would like to see is a simple conduit app that let an outside application push alerts to the iPhone, or even manage the calendar. That would let me stop using SMS alerts, which can fail in some circumstances. I'll bet a lot of other developers would like such an app as well. Best,R World Domination - It's fun for the entire family! EViE - The iPhone / iPod Touch Skill Training Monitor

Valandril Caldari Exiled. Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.07.27 15:32:00 - [11] Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow Also, you're going to need an internet connection every time you use any sort of skill-training app, because it has to query the current state, otherwise it will be running off stale information. I beg to differ, when you grab data from eve-o simply drop data to db (say sqlite will be easies one to use) and then from offline you may check by loading entry from database (remember, u werent on eve so u didn't change you skill since last update ergo your data is actual), and then you may see ie "oh shoot, traffic is high today, won't make it for skillchange" and SMS a friend to change it for you. No internet connection needed whatsoever. And it's not just about iphone (altho if u did compare all avialable smartphones as i did, iphone is best choice [i'm one of this ppl who hate apple approach to stuff btw]) but any mobile device that works as a organiser to you. ---
PyjamaSam Minmatar Vanguard Frontiers Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.07.27 22:29:00 - [12] Originally by: Valandril Ooooh looks nice, and to solve big problem (entering api key) you could allow poiting to txt file with it (ie. you write addr: http://puciek.pl/key.txt and soft will open text file and load content as key) I have a few ideas with how to deal with that. One is the use of GateCamper. I asked the he developer of that put in a shortened key for use in mobile apps and he did. So you can use a 10 char app key if you use gatecamper. If you still want to use the native api calls to ccp, I am looking at an option for a custom url helper. So you could email your self the url, or put it on a web page you have access to. All in all right now its just a simple display of your currently training skill. Eventually I'll expand it and add more features, but for now - simple. chris.
Roc Wieler Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2008.07.28 16:20:00 - [13] I fall into the "Do I have to get home to train soon?" category. I have tried EviE (sp?) and it's interesting. Nothing bad to say about it. I really would prefer the native iPhone app. If you want a tester, sign me up. iPhone 3G. Also a programmer by trade, who just installed the SDK and is quickly on my way to my first "Hello World" iPhone app (go me!) "Never start a fight you can win." - Roc Wieler
Ailean Caldaire Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.07.29 02:16:00 - [14] I would LOVE to get my hands on this. Any update on when beta testing will be out?
PyjamaSam Minmatar Vanguard Frontiers Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.07.29 15:08:00 - [15] I have been making progress on the interface and am at the point now where I am going to start interacting with the api. I am on vacation next week, so I will hopefully more time to work on this. Maybe a week out for an initial small alpha run. chris.
Roc Wieler Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2008.07.30 12:56:00 - [16] Originally by: PyjamaSam I have been making progress on the interface and am at the point now where I am going to start interacting with the api. I am on vacation next week, so I will hopefully more time to work on this. Maybe a week out for an initial small alpha run. chris. Would be happy to help test. "Never start a fight you can win." - Roc Wieler
Ailean Caldaire Caldari Gears of Progress	Posted - 2008.08.04 04:48:00 - [17] Im also all in for testing and I could help with coding if you need a hand.
leich Amarr Fritter Transport Co.	Posted - 2008.08.04 12:16:00 - [18] Put my name down if you need another tester i have and iphone 3G. and the Development SDK on Mac.
Roc Wieler Freeform Industries	Posted - 2008.08.13 17:39:00 - [19] Any followup on this? I have some time next week to try to learn some iPhone programming on the ol MAC, but would rather not really. "Never start a fight you can win." - Roc Wieler
PyjamaSam Minmatar Vanguard Frontiers Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.08.20 20:21:00 - [20] I have a working version of the app (just polishing the delete part over the next day or so). Gatecamper support with the short key isn't working as there is a bug in Gatecamper that won't be fixed before I get the beta out. Was trying to get some beta users from my corp, but haven't got much traction there. If anybody is interested in beta'ing it please drop me a line either here or at pyjamasam@vanguardfrontiers.com I'll need your device UDID and thats best sent via email. I need to setup provisioning profiles for the people who are going to beta. Lets put a deadline of Sunday the 24th on it. I'll then generate the profile next week and get the app out to people (also gives me time to do some final tweaks to the delete code). chris.

Roc Wieler Freeform Industries	Posted - 2008.08.28 13:06:00 - [21] Edited by: Roc Wieler on 28/08/2008 13:06:45 Edited by: Roc Wieler on 28/08/2008 13:06:05 Roc dreams big iPhone app mockup "Never start a fight you can win." - Roc Wieler
Ix Forres Caldari Vanguard Frontiers Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.08.28 23:23:00 - [22] Originally by: Valandril Ooooh looks nice, and to solve big problem (entering api key) you could allow poiting to txt file with it (ie. you write addr: http://puciek.pl/key.txt and soft will open text file and load content as key) I've added support for a 'short key' to Gatecamper (http://gatecamper.org) which can be used for mobile apps- it's a 10-character key which users can enter instead of their full key if you're using Gatecamper for your app's API interface. -- Ix Forres EVE Application Developer ISKsense \| RLS-EVE \| Blog
Razzy Gallente PROGENITOR CORPORATION Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.09.17 18:54:00 - [23] Originally by: PyjamaSam I have a working version of the app (just polishing the delete part over the next day or so). Gatecamper support with the short key isn't working as there is a bug in Gatecamper that won't be fixed before I get the beta out. Was trying to get some beta users from my corp, but haven't got much traction there. If anybody is interested in beta'ing it please drop me a line either here or at pyjamasam@vanguardfrontiers.com I'll need your device UDID and thats best sent via email. I need to setup provisioning profiles for the people who are going to beta. Lets put a deadline of Sunday the 24th on it. I'll then generate the profile next week and get the app out to people (also gives me time to do some final tweaks to the delete code). chris. Saw that this has been submitted to Apple for inclusion in the AppStore, cant wait for it - it seems like just what I need/want :) - now if only Apple would hurry up! lol
Beseiged Minmatar Rim Collection RC Kraftwerk.	Posted - 2008.09.17 20:35:00 - [24] I just downloaded it. Works awesome. Thanks a ton! Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes -Rauth Kivaro (mods@ccpgames.com)
Razzy Gallente PROGENITOR CORPORATION Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.09.18 02:55:00 - [25] Originally by: Beseiged I just downloaded it. Works awesome. Thanks a ton! Is it in the appstore already? I still can't find capsuleer in my searches :(
Beseiged Minmatar Rim Collection RC Kraftwerk.	Posted - 2008.09.18 03:58:00 - [26] I found it through itunes, doubt it matters that i updated to 8.0 and then searched through the program for eve-online. A program came up called Eve Tracker. I was able to enter my api information and update from the eve server. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes -Rauth Kivaro (mods@ccpgames.com)
Ben Thomas Caldari Legion of Ascension Trinity Foundation	Posted - 2008.09.19 22:54:00 - [27] Originally by: Beseiged I found it through itunes, doubt it matters that i updated to 8.0 and then searched through the program for eve-online. A program came up called Eve Tracker. I was able to enter my api information and update from the eve server. Eve Tracker is not the App PyjamaSam made, his is called Capsuleer. Capsuleer is much nicer in my opinion. Checkout the most recent mock-up here. And more information here. --- Founder, CEO - Legion of Ascension
Thor Richt	Posted - 2008.09.22 20:09:00 - [28] Edited by: Thor Richt on 22/09/2008 20:10:05 Edited by: Thor Richt on 22/09/2008 20:09:30 It might be worth noting that the EVE Magic Widget works very well in iPhone, Blackberry, Firefox, Internet Explorer, Safari, and even the EVE IGB. Shows skills training, POS fuel status, and an insane level of market information. EVE Magic Widget
PyjamaSam Minmatar Vanguard Frontiers Violent-Tendencies	Posted - 2008.10.06 16:38:00 - [29] Launch Announcement Version 1.0 has been accepted to the app store. chris.
Beseiged Minmatar Rim Collection RC Kraftwerk.	Posted - 2008.10.06 17:25:00 - [30] Awesome! works great! Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes -Rauth Kivaro (mods@ccpgames.com)

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