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Trishtan DeMore
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.08.19 17:27:00 -
[421]
 Originally by: Pithecanthropus
Better yet, you figure out the difference between corp/alliance wars... and faction wars. posting they are the same is naive. so, go ahead.
Please enlighten me about the difference?!
Alot of pew pew going on just without bubbles and DD.
If I join BoB or the NC today I have the same pew pew of 2 faction going as in ... FACTION war.
Probably you pretend Faction war much more to be than it really is...
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Farrqua
Minmatar
Turbo Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.19 17:41:00 -
[422]
Originally by: Pithecanthropus
Originally by: Farrqua
Originally by: Pithecanthropus
Originally by: Farrqua
Criss cross wars? Corps are in criss cross wars all of the time. And most of your alliances have two three or four different wars happening daily. What makes FW different and a special case than everyone else?
If you don't know that, stop responding to this thread.
Answer the question. I want to why you think FW is falls under special circumstances the rest of EVE does not fall under.
Better yet, you figure out the difference between corp/alliance wars... and faction wars. posting they are the same is naive. so, go ahead.
No dude this is your whine session. If you want to get your point across with out being a condescending little shit then the floor is yours. By avoiding to answer the question speaks volumes however. |
Arlenna Molatov
Caldari
The 59th Parallel
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Posted - 2008.08.19 17:55:00 -
[423]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Arlenna Molatov
What is so wrong with allowing the mititia to engage any ship that engages another FW ship? What is NOT logical about ability?
Read the rest of the non Caldari Militia posting in this thread and understand really.
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That ship engaged an Empire military faction. Why is they have NO repercussions from that Empire faction?
Because the militia corps and individuals are gutless, lazy and prefer to post on the forums rather than use the existing game mechanics to MAKE a repercussion themselves. This is a MMORPG and the P stands for Player. If you want consequence make it yourself. Every tool to handle this aggression exists already - you are just too stubborn and lazy to do it.
Thats pretty much what every external commentator to this thread is telling you.
You know Jade....for someone who is supposed to be in a leadership position and listening to ALL the community, you don't do your "job"very well.
Its plain-as-day apparent your only interest in this situation is completly your own and your own only....since your corp is directly involved in this fiasco and would be directly affected by any changes.
As a person of "supposed" leadership...and I use that word VERY lightly....you need to keep yourself out of this discussion. You seem to want your cake(being able to fight FW pilots) and eat it to..( no repercussions from that Faction entity).
So you have one of two choices in my view.....you can either step down from the CSM...or you can not post on this topic anymore and do what you said when you took your CSM position and fullfil your obligations to all the players without trying to force your one-sided BS down peoples throats. |
Farrqua
Minmatar
Turbo Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.19 17:58:00 -
[424]
Originally by: Arlenna Molatov
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Arlenna Molatov
What is so wrong with allowing the mititia to engage any ship that engages another FW ship? What is NOT logical about ability?
Read the rest of the non Caldari Militia posting in this thread and understand really.
Quote:
That ship engaged an Empire military faction. Why is they have NO repercussions from that Empire faction?
Because the militia corps and individuals are gutless, lazy and prefer to post on the forums rather than use the existing game mechanics to MAKE a repercussion themselves. This is a MMORPG and the P stands for Player. If you want consequence make it yourself. Every tool to handle this aggression exists already - you are just too stubborn and lazy to do it.
Thats pretty much what every external commentator to this thread is telling you.
You know Jade....for someone who is supposed to be in a leadership position and listening to ALL the community, you don't do your "job"very well.
Its plain-as-day apparent your only interest in this situation is completly your own and your own only....since your corp is directly involved in this fiasco and would be directly affected by any changes.
As a person of "supposed" leadership...and I use that word VERY lightly....you need to keep yourself out of this discussion. You seem to want your cake(being able to fight FW pilots) and eat it to..( no repercussions from that Faction entity).
So you have one of two choices in my view.....you can either step down from the CSM...or you can not post on this topic anymore and do what you said when you took your CSM position and fullfil your obligations to all the players without trying to force your one-sided BS down peoples throats.
You know I have no quams about your opinion of Jade. However once you undock you do realize you consent to PvP..right? No matter who it is? |
Rutger Centemus
Gallente
Joint Empire Squad
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Posted - 2008.08.19 18:06:00 -
[425]
Originally by: Arlenna Molatov
You know Jade....for someone who is supposed to be in a leadership position and listening to ALL the community, you don't do your "job"very well.
Its plain-as-day apparent your only interest in this situation is completly your own and your own only....since your corp is directly involved in this fiasco and would be directly affected by any changes.
As a person of "supposed" leadership...and I use that word VERY lightly....you need to keep yourself out of this discussion. You seem to want your cake(being able to fight FW pilots) and eat it to..( no repercussions from that Faction entity).
So you have one of two choices in my view.....you can either step down from the CSM...or you can not post on this topic anymore and do what you said when you took your CSM position and fullfil your obligations to all the players without trying to force your one-sided BS down peoples throats.
I'ld say Jade's leadership would be towards SF. And it might surprise you that she actually tried to raise this matter up for in the CSM.
As for BS (and I take it your not talking about BattleShips here?): SF is within the rules of the game. Being in FW doesn't make you immune to wardecs. The only thing which could do that the way you seem to want would be to join the NPC-FW-corp.
If you think this isn't ok, make a petition and 'if need be' escalate. I'ld be interested to know what CCP's response would be. |
Arlenna Molatov
Caldari
The 59th Parallel
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Posted - 2008.08.19 18:18:00 -
[426]
I am very well aware that once I undock, I consent to PVP....I haven't been playing EVE since beta 4 for nothing..
My problems are exactly those in my post a few pages back. People declaring war on FW faction corps, having the ability to fly right by faction NPCs and shooting FW pilots without ANY repercussions!!
I, as a fellow FW pilot can't even shoot them without being concorded! Where is the f**king logic in that? And not to mention the RP value that isn't there. As we ALL know....this FW thing is all about......pvp and ...umm.....RP....?!?!
That is where my problem solely sits. |
Takimoshi
The Aztecs
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.08.19 18:19:00 -
[427]
I'm glad to see that this whole topic has evolved into a endless flame war and e-peen wagging fest. Has the whole point been so utterly lost amongst the monstrous egos in this thread? The issue is that there is a problem with the FW mechanics. If it wasn't an issue there wouldn't be people making forums threads about it. Or maybe this is one big late april fools joke and the cake is a lie too.....
I've read several options that could potentially resolve the issue and yet nobody can agree on anything other than everyone else is a zomgwtfnublar in the 1st degree. How is that going to get anything resolved?
To those who think there isn't a problem it's probably because enough people haven't logged in and complained about it, right. Here lemme go log into eve and get EVERY member of FW to spam this thread into oblivion - will that satisfy you that there is a problem here?
The basic issue comes down to rights - who has the right to do what. Those in FW think they have a right to focus solely on FW. As paying members of the game THAT IS THEIR RIGHT. You can't tell someone how to play the game. We all agree on that - I've heard it said on both sides. At the same time SF thinks it is their right to wardec whoever the hell they want. The wardec agrees. Technically BOTH sides are right.
Then it comes down to who is more right. Obviously there is a difference of opinion on that *heavy sarcasm*. It would be nice to have this settled without having to make a game play change - but it doesn't seem likely that either side in this is going to come to an accord.
Maybe, just maybe we can all come down off our high horses and talk about it sensibly without having to make digs at each other - or maybe I'm just hoping too much for a group of internet spaceship players. |
Rutger Centemus
Gallente
Joint Empire Squad
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Posted - 2008.08.19 18:22:00 -
[428]
Edited by: Rutger Centemus on 19/08/2008 18:25:03
Originally by: Arlenna Molatov
I am very well aware that once I undock, I consent to PVP....I haven't been playing EVE since beta 4 for nothing..
My problems are exactly those in my post a few pages back. People declaring war on FW faction corps, having the ability to fly right by faction NPCs and shooting FW pilots without ANY repercussions!!
I, as a fellow FW pilot can't even shoot them without being concorded! Where is the f**king logic in that? And not to mention the RP value that isn't there. As we ALL know....this FW thing is all about......pvp and ...umm.....RP....?!?!
That is where my problem solely sits.
Option: wardec SF? If my info is correct, you (both in general and you in person) should be able to do that?
*edit* Takimoshi, I think you're spot onto the basic problem at hand - both groups wish to play in their way, and one of the 2 doesn't get to do things the way they want to. Was going to say more, but that wouldprobably lead to more flames, so I'll leave it at that. |
Takimoshi
The Aztecs
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.08.19 18:40:00 -
[429]
Originally by: Rutger Centemus
Edited by: Rutger Centemus on 19/08/2008 18:25:03
Was going to say more, but that wouldprobably lead to more flames, so I'll leave it at that.
and THAT sentiment right there is why this issue will NOT get resolved until the lot of you guys manage to stop being a bunch of d***s to each other. The whole point of the forums is to provide a place where people can discuss in-game issues out of game in a neutral setting. IT IS NOT a place for people to rudely shout each other down until one side just gets disgusted or gives up.
You could cut this thread down to maybe 1 page worth of decent conversation that worked towards a mutual goal but no we have 15 pages of people throwing **** at each other...
Please for the sake of reason and logic just post constructive arguments and discourse. If we are all "better" than the "WoW kiddies" I've heard bandied about then start acting like it. |
Farrqua
Minmatar
Turbo Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.19 18:41:00 -
[430]
Originally by: Arlenna Molatov
I am very well aware that once I undock, I consent to PVP....I haven't been playing EVE since beta 4 for nothing..
My problems are exactly those in my post a few pages back. People declaring war on FW faction corps, having the ability to fly right by faction NPCs and shooting FW pilots without ANY repercussions!!
I, as a fellow FW pilot can't even shoot them without being concorded! Where is the f**king logic in that? And not to mention the RP value that isn't there. As we ALL know....this FW thing is all about......pvp and ...umm.....RP....?!?!
That is where my problem solely sits.
You don't need to be in the game that long to understand that you as a Player RP or otherwise can take steps to insure they have the ability to engage said targets in high sec. You are well aware of the mechanics as do (hopefully most) other players.
As far as the NPC navies taking sides? Look you are a militia. Not an alliance. An alliance dictates and pushes forces to attack or defend. It is based off of a centralized command and a certain style of Gov. RP.
Militia is built around civilian entities that have no centralized command. Basically just a band of individual corps that do not incur the the cost and or risks of an alliance.
You do not pay the price in time, isk and logistic night mares (almost like trying to herd cats) to receive the benefits of an alliance.
So my suggestion was to have the player corps join one big corp with shared command of the top FC's in your militia. Hence you will be able to centralize your command, organize your selves in a much cleaner and effective fashion and it would fal in line of the RP story line. If CCP changes the way things are done you can break down the Corp and fall back to your old way of doing things.
It comes down to what are you going to do right now. CCP is not going to wave a wand and say here you go. You have to make things work right now, and with your experience in the game you should already know that by now.
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Sykes
Minmatar
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.08.19 19:28:00 -
[431]
Originally by: Farrqua
<snip>
So my suggestion was to have the player corps join one big corp with shared command of the top FC's in your militia. Hence you will be able to centralize your command, organize your selves in a much cleaner and effective fashion and it would fal in line of the RP story line. If CCP changes the way things are done you can break down the Corp and fall back to your old way of doing things.
It comes down to what are you going to do right now. CCP is not going to wave a wand and say here you go. You have to make things work right now, and with your experience in the game you should already know that by now.
This seems like an eminently positive and practical suggestion to me. I would be extremely surprised, but gratified if they actually did this. |
Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2008.08.19 19:31:00 -
[432]
Originally by: Arlenna Molatov
You know Jade....for someone who is supposed to be in a leadership position and listening to ALL the community, you don't do your "job"very well.
1. Its not a "job" its an elected responsibility for 1-2 terms only.
2. Part of the responsibility is filtering out complete nonsense from people who prefer to whine about nothing rather than play the game with the mechanics on offer.
3. Lets face it - you really are part of the crazy minority in this "debate". In general other Eve players simply don't agree with you.
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Its plain-as-day apparent your only interest in this situation is completely your own and your own only....since your corp is directly involved in this fiasco and would be directly affected by any changes.
Which is doubtless why I advocated an issue which would allow militia corps to wardec (for free) corps that wardec other militia corps. That issue was voted down by the CSM, but I don't see how you can accuse me of bias when I tried to get a solution that was asked for by the more rational militia posters.
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As a person of "supposed" leadership...and I use that word VERY lightly....you need to keep yourself out of this discussion. You seem to want your cake(being able to fight FW pilots) and eat it to..( no repercussions from that Faction entity).
No, I'm not being censored or silenced by the likes of you. When the CSM term is up in a couple of months I'm still an eve player and still have an opinion and my opinion will remain - you are just being lazy and refusing to use the game mechanics on offer to counter this strategy. If you want to defend fellow militia pilots why doesn't "the 59th parallel" wardec the star fraction and help them?
Answer that.
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So you have one of two choices in my view.....you can either step down from the CSM...or you can not post on this topic anymore and do what you said when you took your CSM position and fullfil your obligations to all the players without trying to force your one-sided BS down peoples throats.
Your view is wrong. The customer is not always right. Sometimes Eve players are completely incorrect and in this case you seem quite clueless of game mechanics, the idea of eve, and how you should respond to adversity.
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Sykes
Minmatar
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.08.19 19:40:00 -
[433]
Edited by: Sykes on 19/08/2008 19:45:13
Thing is, Star Fraction players and various third parties including a selection of SF's deadliest enemies have patiently explained a large variety of approaches that you could take to defend yourselves against us. Short of actually FCing your gangs I'm really not sure what more we could do to help you mount an effective response.
For whatever reason though, you don't. Instead you demand game changes to spare you the effort.
The game changes you're asking for amount to a PvP off switch and the moment that happens, we won't be playing Eve anymore and CCP really might as well introduce Elves and be done with it.
Some of us love Eve and are prepared to go to extreme lengths to prevent you people from turning it into yet another shitty game with optional PvP.
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Heartstone
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.08.19 21:24:00 -
[434]
*\o/*
That's the way to do it!
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Zan Maruke
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.08.19 21:43:00 -
[435]
Always seemed to me that FW was fated to fail at being some kind of 'gateway' for PvP adverse players or newbies to test the waters. Of course, it was going to be dominated by alts and alt corps of 0.0 combatants. They've got the ISKies and experience to dominate the action. Of course, war decs would be used in the way Star Fraction has to evade the penalties of active participation.
This mostly is filed under 'duh' for me. CCP might need to rethink the how FW functions though if it really is intended as a more casual, low risk, introduction to PvP combat for non-dino players.
As it is, SF seems to be well within the established rules and few of the alternatives proposed are without pitfalls themselves.
Sticky wicket, wot? |
Pithecanthropus
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Posted - 2008.08.19 22:27:00 -
[436]
Originally by: Farrqua
Originally by: Pithecanthropus
Originally by: Farrqua
Originally by: Pithecanthropus
Originally by: Farrqua
Criss cross wars? Corps are in criss cross wars all of the time. And most of your alliances have two three or four different wars happening daily. What makes FW different and a special case than everyone else?
If you don't know that, stop responding to this thread.
Answer the question. I want to why you think FW is falls under special circumstances the rest of EVE does not fall under.
Better yet, you figure out the difference between corp/alliance wars... and faction wars. posting they are the same is naive. so, go ahead.
No dude this is your whine session. If you want to get your point across with out being a condescending little shit then the floor is yours. By avoiding to answer the question speaks volumes however.
Volumes? ROFL... no, I'm trying to see if your brain can distinguish between a faction war and a corp war. I'm still waiting for you to actually read up on it. I'd rather use my time calling you out as a naive idiot, then taking time to explain to you the faction war mechanics.  |
Pithecanthropus
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Posted - 2008.08.19 22:33:00 -
[437]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Your view is wrong. The customer is not always right. Sometimes Eve players are completely incorrect and in this case you seem quite clueless of game mechanics, the idea of eve, and how you should respond to adversity.
Game mechanics are what YOU are supposed to be constructively monitoring. You fail to realize that just because Eve is allowing a certain performance, that it doesn't mean it is fine and dandy. There have been obvious flaws in many aspects of Eve, and many have been fixed. All of which were debated to what is found to be a common ground alternative. Whether that fix agrees with you or not, is NOT YOUR PLACE TO SAY! When problems arise, you take into account everyones play styles, and you bring forth ALL issues. You are a joke in your position. |
Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2008.08.19 22:33:00 -
[438]
Originally by: Pithecanthropus
Originally by: Rutger Centemus
Wait, let me get this straight - someone that has been in a Matari npc-corp for his entire eve-career is arguing to change the FW- and wardecsystems over an alleged 'exploit' by an RP-alliance, which is fighting several FW-militia's and from an RP-point of view has wardecced some corporations in the Caldari-militia?
if you haven't realized we can have 'alts', then you need to go back to school.
So who is your main character anyways and why not post with it? I honestly can't see the point of having ooc discussions about game mechanics with alts? What are you afraid of exactly ?
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Farrqua
Minmatar
Turbo Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.19 22:40:00 -
[439]
Originally by: Pithecanthropus
Originally by: Farrqua
Originally by: Pithecanthropus
Originally by: Farrqua
Originally by: Pithecanthropus
Originally by: Farrqua
Criss cross wars? Corps are in criss cross wars all of the time. And most of your alliances have two three or four different wars happening daily. What makes FW different and a special case than everyone else?
If you don't know that, stop responding to this thread.
Answer the question. I want to why you think FW is falls under special circumstances the rest of EVE does not fall under.
Better yet, you figure out the difference between corp/alliance wars... and faction wars. posting they are the same is naive. so, go ahead.
No dude this is your whine session. If you want to get your point across with out being a condescending little shit then the floor is yours. By avoiding to answer the question speaks volumes however.
Volumes? ROFL... no, I'm trying to see if your brain can distinguish between a faction war and a corp war. I'm still waiting for you to actually read up on it. I'd rather use my time calling you out as a naive idiot, then taking time to explain to you the faction war mechanics.
You are a clueless ****tard. An I do mean that in the most sincerest way.
I have posted previously as to the explanation but your trolling ******ed flame rants are basically all you are about. So continue on Mcfly, as you are doing your cause and the FW in its entirety a great service.
Don't stop believing. |
Pithecanthropus
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Posted - 2008.08.19 22:41:00 -
[440]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Pithecanthropus
Originally by: Rutger Centemus
Wait, let me get this straight - someone that has been in a Matari npc-corp for his entire eve-career is arguing to change the FW- and wardecsystems over an alleged 'exploit' by an RP-alliance, which is fighting several FW-militia's and from an RP-point of view has wardecced some corporations in the Caldari-militia?
if you haven't realized we can have 'alts', then you need to go back to school.
So who is your main character anyways and why not post with it? I honestly can't see the point of having ooc discussions about game mechanics with alts? What are you afraid of exactly ?
Let's see, (1) why should it matter who I am? (2) I'm the same person in whatever account I'm using to post (3) Stop talking to me if you're afraid of alts (4) I'm not afraid of anything, I have every right to post with an alt... it's within the forum mechanics
The day you leave your alliance and join FW in a corp, I'll post with my main. |
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Pithecanthropus
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Posted - 2008.08.19 22:44:00 -
[441]
Originally by: Farrqua
Originally by: Pithecanthropus
You are a clueless ****tard. An I do mean that in the most sincerest way.
I have posted previously as to the explanation but your trolling ******ed flame rants are basically all you are about. So continue on Mcfly, as you are doing your cause and the FW in its entirety a great service.
Don't stop believing.
So in other words, you never learned to read.... 
I'll try it again...
How... does... faction... war... differ... from... all... other... corp/alliance... wars?
(tick tock... i'm waiting) |
Farrqua
Minmatar
Turbo Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.19 22:49:00 -
[442]
Originally by: Pithecanthropus
Originally by: Farrqua
Originally by: Pithecanthropus
You are a clueless ****tard. An I do mean that in the most sincerest way.
I have posted previously as to the explanation but your trolling ******ed flame rants are basically all you are about. So continue on Mcfly, as you are doing your cause and the FW in its entirety a great service.
Don't stop believing.
So in other words, you never learned to read....
I'll try it again...
How... does... faction... war... differ... from... all... other... corp/alliance... wars?
(tick tock... i'm waiting)
Originally by: Farrqua
Originally by: Arlenna Molatov
I am very well aware that once I undock, I consent to PVP....I haven't been playing EVE since beta 4 for nothing..
My problems are exactly those in my post a few pages back. People declaring war on FW faction corps, having the ability to fly right by faction NPCs and shooting FW pilots without ANY repercussions!!
I, as a fellow FW pilot can't even shoot them without being concorded! Where is the f**king logic in that? And not to mention the RP value that isn't there. As we ALL know....this FW thing is all about......pvp and ...umm.....RP....?!?!
That is where my problem solely sits.
You don't need to be in the game that long to understand that you as a Player RP or otherwise can take steps to insure they have the ability to engage said targets in high sec. You are well aware of the mechanics as do (hopefully most) other players.
As far as the NPC navies taking sides? Look you are a militia. Not an alliance. An alliance dictates and pushes forces to attack or defend. It is based off of a centralized command and a certain style of Gov. RP.
Militia is built around civilian entities that have no centralized command. Basically just a band of individual corps that do not incur the the cost and or risks of an alliance.
You do not pay the price in time, isk and logistic night mares (almost like trying to herd cats) to receive the benefits of an alliance.
So my suggestion was to have the player corps join one big corp with shared command of the top FC's in your militia. Hence you will be able to centralize your command, organize your selves in a much cleaner and effective fashion and it would fal in line of the RP story line. If CCP changes the way things are done you can break down the Corp and fall back to your old way of doing things.
It comes down to what are you going to do right now. CCP is not going to wave a wand and say here you go. You have to make things work right now, and with your experience in the game you should already know that by now.
There you go. You could have just scrolled up, but considering you seem to have a tough time with actually putting in any effort into anything, it does explain why you want CCP to wipe you ass for you. |
Zachis
Magners Marauders
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Posted - 2008.08.19 22:54:00 -
[443]
Don't know if this has been mentioned as a possible solution to the issue at hand but why not simply allow:
1) Faction Militias can be war decced by individual corps, this includes all corps flying under their banner. Dec one you dec em all, so to speak. So the militia can fight back as a whole unit.
2) Faction Militias cannot be war decced by Alliances thus preserving the separation that CCP designed into the system, and allowing a little wiggle room so corps in heavily invested RP alliances can get in on the action as well at a cost of course. But individual corps wouldn't need to leave their existing alliances.
3) Make Faction Militias carry the same stacking penalty for War dec cost that corps and alliances carry now. More folks decing the militia the more it costs to join the party.
Seems like an even compromise to me. |
Pithecanthropus
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Posted - 2008.08.19 23:01:00 -
[444]
Ummm... so yes, we DO HAVE an agreement that the two wars are different. So in other words, a criss-cross style of wars can lead to abuse.
I'm not speaking of alliances have 3 wars... the mechanics of those wars are all the same. However, the mechanics of a militia war are far different. Thus, when the two different wars cross, they clash with mechanics. Giving one side a clear advantage against the other. It doesn't have anything to so with centralized commands in alliance or militias. Militias have their clear leaders, and yet those can not be secure into one WHOLE as an alliance. It's along the lines of declaring war on just one corp in an alliance and being able to fly into their space while they're not allowed into your space. A little far fetched, but yet still similar.
Anyway, I don't see a point in debating since your suggestion on changing FW tells me you agree there is a flaw... and who would of thunk it. We're on the same page!
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Farrqua
Minmatar
Turbo Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.19 23:46:00 -
[445]
My main point was all this whine and hand wringing does nothing for you right now. Use the mechanics and tools available to you, do it right now.
Criss Cross wars happen to Corps all of the time. The reason I mentioned "Alliances" is because your FW brothers want the same benefits without condition of working for and putting effort into running an Alliance.
The problem is this, we have some FW'rs wanting a PVP safe zone. And then some of the other FW'rs want the ability to fight back. But none of them want to put the effort in to do something right now to better your situation. Which says that the Militias do not have clear leadership or any real direction at that level.
If you want to make a difference this is what you are going to have to do until something is changed.
I do not support nor do I object to how the FW thing was put in place. Like all the other nerfs, buffs, add ons, and expansions, many players like my self have just been able to work with what we have.
So if you FW'rs want a change you have to do what everyone else does to get change. The current mechanic we use is through the CSM. And there are plenty of players on the CSM that will vote for you if you put forth a well thought out proposal.
In the mean time....remove pants, cup balls and get it done. Get your shit together, become unified under one flag and make a statement. You get no points or kill mails here. |
Heartstone
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.08.20 00:09:00 -
[446]
Edited by: Heartstone on 20/08/2008 00:09:46
Originally by: Farrqua
In the mean time....remove pants, cup balls and get it done. Get your shit together, become unified under one flag and make a statement. You get no points or kill mails here.
Well tonight someone in the Caldari militia got everyone together to a good fight with us in Low Sec. In amongst a 37 strong Caldari Militia Fleet were a number of our war targets. Some of our war targets decided that it wasn't worth the fight and ran and hid when I appeared to them but the rest stayed with their compatriots. Due to logistical reasons it took a long time to get ourselves in a position to attack and the Militia took good advantage of this lapse by us to move into a more favorable location (note I'm not complaining her at all good job by the FC moving closer to their support). The Star Fraction pincer finally caught the Militia and a good fight was had. At one point it was touch and go for us but we held the field for all of about 10 seconds that is until the next militia fleet appeared  . On analysis Star Fraction could be considered to have won the engagement based on number of kills and isk lost (mostly because we got to loot the field) but at the end of the day lots of fun was had by both sides from what I have been told by both our pilots and the Caldari pilots so well done to whomever was FCing on the Caldari side and don't primary my poor phobos next time
This is what you can do to fight us. This is what makes it fun for both of us. The Caldari Militia tonight showed Star Fraction that it can stand and fight and for that we tank everyone involved. A fight summary can be found here for those that wish to see statistics and things of said ilk. Star Fraction salutes the Caldari pilots involved in the battle and hopes to see more.
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Victoria Ehr
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.08.20 04:46:00 -
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Edited by: Victoria Ehr on 20/08/2008 04:47:17
Originally by: Heartstone
Edited by: Heartstone on 20/08/2008 00:09:46
Originally by: Farrqua
In the mean time....remove pants, cup balls and get it done. Get your shit together, become unified under one flag and make a statement. You get no points or kill mails here.
Well tonight someone in the Caldari militia got everyone together to a good fight with us in Low Sec. In amongst a 37 strong Caldari Militia Fleet were a number of our war targets. Some of our war targets decided that it wasn't worth the fight and ran and hid when I appeared to them but the rest stayed with their compatriots. Due to logistical reasons it took a long time to get ourselves in a position to attack and the Militia took good advantage of this lapse by us to move into a more favorable location (note I'm not complaining her at all good job by the FC moving closer to their support). The Star Fraction pincer finally caught the Militia and a good fight was had. At one point it was touch and go for us but we held the field for all of about 10 seconds that is until the next militia fleet appeared . On analysis Star Fraction could be considered to have won the engagement based on number of kills and isk lost (mostly because we got to loot the field) but at the end of the day lots of fun was had by both sides from what I have been told by both our pilots and the Caldari pilots so well done to whomever was FCing on the Caldari side and don't primary my poor phobos next time
This is what you can do to fight us. This is what makes it fun for both of us. The Caldari Militia tonight showed Star Fraction that it can stand and fight and for that we tank everyone involved. A fight summary can be found here for those that wish to see statistics and things of said ilk. Star Fraction salutes the Caldari pilots involved in the battle and hopes to see more.
Very glad there was a good fight.
The Caldari Militia both NPC and player corps have been showing up on a daily basis from day one, not just because Jericho or jade did. You might learn a bit about teamwork and courage if you flew against "us" not just against your targets.
We Can't do a thing in militia fleet while jericho kills yet another of our militia in hi-sec, and they then banter on in local about how good they are and how cowardly the rest of us are....so much for those good fights eh Heartstone?
Expect more people to join NPC militia corps, to side step player militia corps after wardecs and to just ignore you guys and the likes of you until CCP gives the militia more of a fair and balanced way to counter such threats.
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Farrqua
Minmatar
Turbo Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.20 06:48:00 -
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Victoria ,
So you are telling us that you fly with honor and courage...and yet you will hide in NPC corps until CCP fixes things.
Yes, bravo. Very nice. |
Victoria Ehr
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.08.20 07:14:00 -
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Edited by: Victoria Ehr on 20/08/2008 07:14:52
Originally by: Farrqua
Victoria ,
So you are telling us that you fly with honor and courage...and yet you will hide in NPC corps until CCP fixes things.
Yes, bravo. Very nice.
What, i can't roleplay too? or is jericho fraction the only one who can make the RP claim?
I don't need to defend my activity in the caldari militia. I do well, i have fun, i pop and go pop all the same.
Thankfully CCP is looking into this situation with jericho ***tion and FW and we may see a fix soon \o/ |
Damion Zyne
Des Esseintes Social Club
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Posted - 2008.08.20 08:22:00 -
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Originally by: Victoria Ehr
Thankfully CCP is looking into this situation with jericho ***tion and FW and we may see a fix soon \o/
Urm, where did you get that info from ? |
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