Originally by: xttz

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The doomsday needs to be replaced with something that ensures the titan is still deployed onto a battlefield and kept there for more time than it takes to align out, still has a unique and powerful role, but doesn't win a fight solo. Making the doomsday scriptable would also add a new tactical dimension to a fight. It means titans are more flexible and would be used (and therefore destroyed) more often in combat.
Here are the ideas I like:

AoE e-war
A racial e-war effect that requires the titan to stick around to work. Ideas that have already been mentioned include warp scrambling, MWD inhibition, webification, an ECM pulse and a neutralizing effect that removes a % of cap from every ship in range.

Weakened Doomsday
Like a hybrid of current doomsdays and smartbombs. Low damage pulses over a massive range designed to counter drones, fighters, frigates and finish off capsules. A real 'anti-blob' weapon that doesnt require a blob to counter it.

Focused Blast
The doomsday acts as a special siege module, immobilising the titan for x amount of time but giving it a massive RoF+damage modifier to its capital weapons. Useful to turn the tide in capital battles and actually makes the Racial Titan weapon bonus useful.
This script will require a cooldown before being used again.

Remote Interference
Similar to the siege module effect above, when this script is fired upon a target it does no damage, but prevents all remote assistance modules (armour, shield and energy transfers) being used on it for as long as the titan keeps the doomsday active. Now the titan can be used to help kill other supercaps, but must be committed to a fight to do so.

None of these scripts will wipe out an opposing fleet solo, and require the titan to be used alongside a support fleet to be effective.

And as a side note, I would also like to see a new hi-slot 'Repair Bay' module for motherships and titans. This is activated and uses fuel akin to a clone vat bay and allows gang members within range to repair damage to their ships and modules.

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Originally by: NanDe YaNen

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Originally by: LaVista Vista

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Edited by: LaVista Vista on 27/07/2008 08:49:44

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If you know anything about code, then you'll know that objects can contain other objects through pointers. When you do it this way, nothing need move.

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Yes. But now we have code living on different nodes, some in database and things like that. All these things have to be in sync. And the eve cluster has a very costly inter-node connection system. So it's not that simple.

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You mean like one of those costly inter-node systems for parallel computing clusters? The kind that are point designed for the lowest latency and have high bandwidth? The kind meant to keep software distributed across several nodes working on one data set aware of the changes occurring at each node's problem boundary? Is that the kind of interconnect you're talking about?

If it's that kind of uber complex system, I've worked on one of those too, and there's no excuse for not having the system in sync. Absolutely not one. You can transfer 10% of a node's data set/s to nodes on the data boundary and not bat an eyelash.

Originally by: LaVista Vista

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Anything sure is possible in software. But this is a game.

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Forgive me if I fail to make the distinction between software and a computer game.

You're continuing to describe this like a junior accountant playing a game of file cabinets. NO!!! We can't move this entire drawer to another cabinet! We built the system around me pulling every file by hand, remarking the progress sheet, and then refiling in a certain order! You can't just pull a drawer out the back and refile it according to the same rules in another cabinet! I won't see what's going on!

But the boss had experience. When he pulled a whole drawer, he followed the same rules for every individual file. Lo and behold, the junior accountant never noticed.

This is how GOOD interfaces work. Accessors and mutators do what they are supposed to when they are supposed to, following a common set of rules for accessing and modifying data, and they don't have to know what the others are up to because every one follows the rules when they do something and the whole thing stays in order. Database order should be implicit in the consistent construction of accessors and mutators, not having one way to access or modify data.

Quit trying to over-complicate the Eve cluster. A sophisticated system is elegant. A complex system is just disorganized.

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Originally by: Torfi

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There's alot. That can be done. With.. corpses

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Originally by: Oveur

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Originally by: Neesa Corrinne

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This proposal is preposterous in the extreme. People devoted a very significant portion of Skill Training, vast mineral resources, vast monetary expenditures and a significant amount of time waiting for it to finish being constructed.

They did this in order fly what the Titan is now in it's current state.

They did not train all of these skills and spend vast amounts of resources for a mobile space station.

This is a resoundingly poor proposal.

Changes do need to be made to the Titan, but changing the very essence of what the ship does will alienate the players who had no intentions of one day flying a mobile POS.

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Originally by: Kransthow

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In my opinion the titan shouldn't be a "hit and run" vessel but instead a frontline ship which needs to be on the battlefield to do anything. Most probably achieved by making the DD targeted and doubling the damage output and reducing the isotope requirement and reducing refire time to say 30 seconds? Also probably the tanking ability of titans would need to be upped so that they have more survivability in the battlefield.

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Originally by: NanDe YaNen

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I know this isn't the angle the OP was taking, but here's the reason I'm supporting turning Titans into mobile stations:

A Titan is the ship you graduate to when you've pretty much done everything else. The players who pilot Titans would probably like them to be something special and unique.

Nobody who started playing eve that long ago started because they wanted a way to be king of the mountain. With everything else in eve, you can only maintain what you continuously build. Erosion is constant. The feeling of entropy is what makes eve seem very free. You are free to do whatever you can accomplish and the game works very hard against the desire to maintain something without working very hard to keep it.

At current, a Titan is a tool for players most advanced in the game to seriously upset the essential entropy and dynamic of the eve universe. It's a tool that allows a group of the most advanced players in the game to escape what would be their fate at the hands of a much larger group of less advanced players.

What if instead a Titan were a tool for an advanced player to lead a group of 300 pilots from losec to try for their fortune in 0.0? What if Titans were the central pillar of a nomadic lifestyle in space where your ability to be where you are depends on your ability to defend that pillar? Would you, as an advanced player, enjoy the experience of affording that opportunity?

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Originally by: Mike Yass

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If you want to make titans fleet support craft, make it so that they don't do lethal damage to ships, but make it easy to deploy a titan on grid with your support forces.

If you nerfed the damage amount to ~50k with max titan skills, any BS with a DC II and a LSE/plate could tank it, as well as some BCs, the DD would not become a weapon to kill ships, but rather weaken many of them, as well as kill off support and drones. I think there is a 10 second delay on DD activation, but it should be upped to 15, so all support have a good chance to warp out. This would make it so that a DD would no longer eliminate a fleet, but rather force support off grid and the remaining battleships retreat or get popped in short order.

To allow the DD to be used with it's fleet on grid, make it a targetable weapon. The titan would target a ship in the enemy fleet (or a star gate) and fire it, causing the origin to be around the ship it targeted.

The one downside of this system is that titans would always be protected by their support fleet in this fleet, giving them ample time to warp out while support ships were being killed, and would probably make titans even more unkillable.

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Originally by: Marcus Gideon

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You can't appeal to their sense of humanity. You can't encourage mentorship, or taking those less fortunate players "under their wing". And you most certainly can't expect them to provide a means for anyone to advance... unless in doing so, it should benefit the Pirate as well.

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Originally by: Christiaan Huygens

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Voting support, but I wouldn't necessarily remove DDs, just make them into some type of super laser. 500,000 raw damage, 5 or 10 min refire rate, tracking akin to a capital class weapon. make it into some kind of anti capital weapon. For reference, a tanked carrier normally has over 1 million EHP, while a tanked dread has twice that, so this won't be one shotting anything.

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