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Adyriana	Posted - 2008.07.27 22:46:00 - [1] Pretty much up till now, I've been gaining all the need information I need from ingame trough the forums, using really good ship set-ups someone else posted and slapping myself on the breast, telling myself "I'm so good. Those rats can't even scratch me!". Then I realise that I've only found the information and not actually made it myself. Not that it's anything bad. I found it on the forums, it's supposed to be found by others and use it and so on. Anyways, now I believe I know enough to try my own stuff a couple of times and gain some real experience and possible crash and burn a lot. But just to begin working myself around one thing; What is the best tank for a missionrunning Raven? Shield or Armor tanking? Thanks in advance -Ady
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.07.27 22:51:00 - [2] like this: 3x 1600mm rolled tungsten plates, 1x EANMII, 1x DC II, and 3x trimarks
DTson Gauur Underground-Operators	Posted - 2008.07.27 22:51:00 - [3] Mission runner Raven is shield tanked, unless you want to REALLY gimp your DPS and look like a fool in the process... so for tank, in mids: XL Booster Shield Boost Amp 4x Racial Hardeners (for example: Blood Raiders: 2x EM , 2x Thermal) Oh and plain old T2 stuff is enough. No need for anything fancy.
Bladen Kerst Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.07.27 23:07:00 - [4] Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton like this: 3x 1600mm rolled tungsten plates, 1x EANMII, 1x DC II, and 3x trimarks I think you are doing it wrong Chainsaw
SuiJuris	Posted - 2008.07.27 23:09:00 - [5] Originally by: DTson Gauur Mission runner Raven is shield tanked, unless you want to REALLY gimp your DPS and look like a fool in the process... so for tank, in mids: XL Booster Shield Boost Amp 4x Racial Hardeners (for example: Blood Raiders: 2x EM , 2x Thermal) Oh and plain old T2 stuff is enough. No need for anything fancy. ^^^ Speaketh the truth, for Gurista / Angel you can go with only 3 times hardeners and a Cap Recharger 2, Because there primary damage type you already have good base resists for kin/exp. On Blood Raider / Sansha / use 4 hardeners.
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.07.27 23:37:00 - [6] Originally by: Bladen Kerst Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton like this: 3x 1600mm rolled tungsten plates, 1x EANMII, 1x DC II, and 3x trimarks I think you are doing it wrong Chainsaw Indeed, it should be: 1 x small armor repairer II, 2 x adaptive nano plating II, 1 x reactive nano plating II, 1 x damage control II 3 x Auxiliary nano pump rigs
Artemis Rose Eleckrostatik	Posted - 2008.07.28 00:10:00 - [7] Originally by: DTson Gauur Mission runner Raven is shield tanked, unless you want to REALLY gimp your DPS and look like a fool in the process... so for tank, in mids: XL Booster Shield Boost Amp 4x Racial Hardeners (for example: Blood Raiders: 2x EM , 2x Thermal) Oh and plain old T2 stuff is enough. No need for anything fancy. If you are brand new to lvl 4 missions, drop a racial hardener for a Heavy Cap Booster to save your behind should you take more aggro than you expect. Just use it in emergencies, not as a crutch. __________________________________________________ Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine. WTB Purple Nerf Bat.
Admiral Pelleon Caldari White Shadow Imperium Burning Horizons	Posted - 2008.07.28 03:51:00 - [8] Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton like this: 3x 1600mm rolled tungsten plates, 1x EANMII, 1x DC II, and 3x trimarks rofl ________ Originally by: Tarminic I believe your mother should have re-rolled her birth control.
Derek Sigres	Posted - 2008.07.28 04:06:00 - [9] Originally by: Adyriana Pretty much up till now, I've been gaining all the need information I need from ingame trough the forums, using really good ship set-ups someone else posted and slapping myself on the breast, telling myself "I'm so good. Those rats can't even scratch me!". Then I realise that I've only found the information and not actually made it myself. Not that it's anything bad. I found it on the forums, it's supposed to be found by others and use it and so on. Anyways, now I believe I know enough to try my own stuff a couple of times and gain some real experience and possible crash and burn a lot. But just to begin working myself around one thing; What is the best tank for a missionrunning Raven? Shield or Armor tanking? Thanks in advance -Ady Shield tanking is the best way to go for a couple reasons: 1) You don't have many low slots so using them for Tank versus damage is a silly move 2) You have more mid slots than low slots meaning you can fit a stronger sheild tank than armor tank anyway 3) You natively have more shield HP than armor HP meaning you can hanidly achieve a better effective hitpoint level tanking your shield versus your armor. If you're new at the job using XL booster+Amp + 3 hardners (changed to reflect foes) + cap injector is a safe and relativly cheap bet. The injector can save your bacon if you do something stupid and need to keep that booster on for awhile. Alternatively you can rig your Raven with Capacitor Control Circuits to increase the number of boosts a minute you can do - it's less good than the injector for those "aww hell" moments. I personally just use Booster + Amp + 4 hardners +2 PDS. No rigs needed for the most part.
Mahke Carrion Crows	Posted - 2008.07.28 04:31:00 - [10] Edited by: Mahke on 28/07/2008 04:31:50 MY T2 MISSION RAVEN WAS EQUIPPED WITH: 6x ARBALEST CRUISE LAUNCHERS 1x SALVAGER 1x TRACTOR 1x XL SHIELD BOOSTER 1x BOOST AMP 1x INVULNERABILITY FIELD 2x RAT SPECIFIC HARDENERS 1x CAPACITOR RECHARGER 2x CPR 3X BCU this is in all seriousness imo the best t2 setup. Can tank any level 4 (but does not perma, you got to micromanage, which on a few missions means using your armor as a buffer and repping afterward), fits 3 bcu's, and can loot+salvage en route during missions you don't intend to come back to with a dedicated ship. edit: MY RAVEN HAD 3X CCC RIGS

Ghan Tylous	Posted - 2008.07.28 08:53:00 - [11] Quote: like this: 3x 1600mm rolled tungsten plates, 1x EANMII, 1x DC II, and 3x trimarks Actually a armortanked Raven is pretty good in PVP. People will go wtf when they have to chew through a Raven that have 30K+ armor. --- It have always fallen to a few to sacrifice for the good of many Originally by: CCP Sharkbait we are screwed.
Clueless Alt	Posted - 2008.07.28 09:35:00 - [12] Originally by: Bladen Kerst Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton like this: 3x 1600mm rolled tungsten plates, 1x EANMII, 1x DC II, and 3x trimarks I think you are doing it wrong Chainsaw ¦It work very well... in pvp. ;)
Amarr knight Aggressive Tendencies Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2008.07.28 11:29:00 - [13] Here is my setup, this is gank oriented. LOW: Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System MED: Pith B-Type Large Shield Booster Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Shield Boost Amplifier II Shield Boost Amplifier II Cap Recharger II RIG: Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I If u have bad skills or tight budget or whatever, this is more tank oriented. LOW: Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II [empty low slot] MED: X-Large Shield Booster II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Shield Boost Amplifier II Shield Boost Amplifier II Cap Recharger II RIG: Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Replace invuls with Rat specific hardners.
Nara Krylov Gallente	Posted - 2008.07.28 11:48:00 - [14] My Raven was equipped with the following: HIGH 06 x Cruise Missile Launcher I 01 x SMALL TRACTOR BEAM 1 01 x SALVAGER I MEDIUM 04 x LARGE SHIELD EXTENDERS 01 x 'HYPHNOS' ECM 01 x MEDIUM SHIELD BOOSTER LOW 01 x EMERGENCY DAMAGE CONTROL 01 x ARMOR KINETIC HARDENER I 01 x ARMOR THREMIC HARDENER I 02 x WARP CORE STABILIZER I DRONES 02 x WARRIOR I DRONES 03 x HAMMERHEAD I DRONES UPGRADES 01 x ROCKET FUEL CACHE PARTINTION I 01 x BAY LOADING ACCELERATOR I
Valuv NightHawk Phantom Fleet The Threshold	Posted - 2008.07.28 11:52:00 - [15] Edited by: Valuv on 28/07/2008 11:56:09 Edited by: Valuv on 28/07/2008 11:53:20 Lows Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Meds X-Large Shield Booster II Shield Boost Amplifier II Invulnerability Field II Heat Dissipation Field II Ballistic Deflection Field II Heat Dissipation Field II Rigs Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Hardeners are for serpentis rats. Basically 1 Invul at all times, 2x main damage type and 1x secondary (in this case, 2x heat and 1x kinetic). Capacitor Flux Coils and Capacitor Power Relays really gimps your tank unless you use a full set of them. I dont really recommend them. Perma tanking with a raven is unnecessary and overrated imo.
z3roskill Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.07.28 12:03:00 - [16] take a look at this setup,i just made a post about it. http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=833685 if you like to run missions safely,you could try it. if you want more dps you might wanna look something else
Jethro Amar	Posted - 2008.07.28 16:25:00 - [17] The original question was how to fit a Raven, not what's your fit. 1st: set a goal. This one is missioning i guess. 2nd: what do you need to achieve your goals? For missioning it's tank and damage. Speed would be useful sometimes. Ewar, agility - not really needed. 3rd: prioritize your goals. More damage or more tank? Common error is to put too much tank on Ravens - all those permarunning XL shield boosters fits with no damage mods are perfect example of overtanking. Mission rats don't deal max damage for the whole duration of the mission, so why would you need max tank for the whole duration? Active or passive tank? For Raven pve active tank is much better. BSes have long shield regen times, so passive tank is not that good. Besides: passive tanks are usually done with oversized shield extenders (large on cruiser / BC) and you can't do it on BS. Buffer tank, important for pvp is not that good on missions (as they take long time - long enough to use all buffer, while pvp is usually quick and brutal) 4th. Find the must-haves. For raven that's obviously a set of cruise launchers (or torpedoes for some missions). You want some damage, so damage mods could be considered must-haves too. For tank (active) shield booster and hardeners are must-haves. Shield boost amplifier could be considered another (non-penalty-stacked) invulnerability field for active tanking. Now when you have your basic fit (launchers, damage mods, tank) just put in what seems usueful in the remaining slots - as much as your cpu & grid allows. For raven that's usually cap rechargers / cap boosters / more damage mods and tractor / salvager for highs. Add rigs to taste (CCC usually) and you're done. The most important thing is to find the sweet spot between damage and tank. As your skills progress you'll find yourself overtanked, allowing to add more damage mods and do missions faster (more isk).

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