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Pohbis Neo T.E.C.H.	Posted - 2008.07.31 12:26:00 - [31] Originally by: Gavin Darklighter To complete this, you would also need to make ECM 90% useless when it HITS! And create specific racial modules for all other EW as well, even better. Keep it up, between you and me we'll have this fixed in no time
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2008.07.31 12:57:00 - [32] Originally by: Pohbis Originally by: Gavin Darklighter To complete this, you would also need to make ECM 90% useless when it HITS! And create specific racial modules for all other EW as well, even better. Keep it up, between you and me we'll have this fixed in no time This is why I try and avoid discussing anything with Caldari pilots. FFS, I fly a Falcon all the time. I had to cross-train to do it, but I fly Caldari ships. It's just that I'm not actually a Caldari character, and for some reason that's the line. Everyone who starts off as Caldari seems to check their brain at the door and start spewing nonsense. If ECCM is soooo effective, then why does fitting an ECCM do shit all to protect my ship when faced with a Falcon? I have to fit 3-4 max strength ECCM in order to reasonably protect my ship from being jammed. IMO once the sensor strength of a ship is triple the jam strength of an ECM module there should be a zero chance of jamming that ship. Period. And why do you Caldari ******s always bring up this 'chance' based thing? It's not chance when you have a 99% chance of jamming someone. Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y COLLECTION Inveniam viam aut faciam.*
MenanceWhite Amarr Red Light Navy	Posted - 2008.07.31 13:18:00 - [33] Pest needs boost, Arty needs moar alpha --- Originally by: Torfi There's alot. That can be done. With.. corpses Originally by: Oveur
Cpt Branko Surge. NIght's Dawn	Posted - 2008.07.31 13:42:00 - [34] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 31/07/2008 13:42:54 Originally by: Pohbis Originally by: Cpt Branko Want to trade certainly 100% reliable target painter on a bellicose for chance-based ECM of a simple blackbird? Seriously now, going 'waaah chance-based' when talking about ECM is silly. Yes, comparing ECM to TP isn't silly. I can't do much about the hit/miss mechanic of ECM, but I do know that if damps,, neuts/nos, webs, scrams and TD suddenly became chance-based people wouldn't think that was funny. Well, yeah, then a chance based neut should mean "100% cap kill", chance-based web hitting "100% speed loss", chance-based TD "turrets turned OFF" and chance-based painter meaning "Hello, your interceptor has 1000.000.000 sig radius now, have a nice day" and chance-based damps meaning "Hello, your lock range is 500m (or, alternatively, your signature resolution is 1). Balanced totally. And ECM would STILL be the best of the bunch. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail mods@ccpgames.com ~Saint
Pohbis Neo T.E.C.H.	Posted - 2008.07.31 14:07:00 - [35] Originally by: Bellum Eternus Everyone who starts off as Caldari seems to check their brain at the door and start spewing nonsense. Quote: And why do you Caldari ******s always bring up this 'chance' based thing? It's not chance when you have a 99% chance of jamming someone. More personal attacks aside; "...start spewing nonsense."* "It's not chance when you have a 99% chance of jamming someone" In order to jam your Phoon 99% of the time I need to fill my lows with distortion amps, have all lvl 5 skills and point 4 Ladar II's at your battleship. If you had those 4 ECCMs, the chance would be 30%. That's if I'm set up for Ladar jamming. No scripts for jammers to change race you remember? And you still have FoFs. If that Falcon is hit with the same amount of Damp EW, it's range is down to 20KM. So it's not jamming anything. And those damps work 100% and on all other race ships. "IMO once the sensor strength of a ship is triple the jam strength of an ECM module there should be a zero chance of jamming that ship. Period." Jammers don't stack, they cycle independently. Your Phoon with 1 ECCM would have a sensor strength of 35,3 and Tech II jammers with 3 distortion amps have a strenght og 11.7, which equals less than 1/3 of 35,3 ( 35,1 ). So 1 ECCM mod should make you immune to racial tech II jammers, no matter how many you get on your ass? I'm also curious to see that scale for ecm vs. sensor strenght with your suggestion. If 35,1 is no chance to jam on your scale, the non-ECCM strength on a Phoon, 18, is 50% chance or what? Who's spouting nonsense here?
Vengal Seyhan Sten Industries	Posted - 2008.07.31 14:51:00 - [36] Originally by: TZeer Yes, lets add a module that fits all your needs, so you dont have to think about fitting sensorbooster or ECCM. This way you can get a cookie cutter setup that work in almost all encounters \o/. At the same time, give me hardeners with scripts so you can change resist types, or jammers with scripts so you can change racial type, and even fit damp scripts in it \o/ YES!! Troll.
Vengal Seyhan Sten Industries	Posted - 2008.07.31 14:56:00 - [37] Originally by: Captator If you made it 6/6 a typhoon could outdamage a torp raven by quite a large margin (same damage bonus and launcher number but +50m3 bandwidth, and another 2 bonused turrets potentially). Perhaps 5/5? I agree with HP change, and the mass stuff is stupid atm. I agree with ECCM boost too, it is a better alternative than nerfing falcons/ecm in general, as it allows you to fit for some resistance to them (assuming you do actually choose what ship/fit to fly due to prevailing tactical conditions, and aren't just an OMG I HAVE 10 PEOPLE YOU HAVE 5 THEREFORE I WIN pillock), or to dedicate your fit for near complete resistance to them. It also punishes those who think they don't need to change loadout based on experience and so on. I don't have EFT or anything, so I'm going to take a risk and maybe look stupid. Launchers tend to use a lot of CPU, so perhaps a 6 torp Phoon wouldn't work without compromises in ohter areas (like lowslots used for Coprocs, etc)? I like the idea as well - no opinion on the ECCM, since I haven't used it enough, but otherwise, giving the Phoon more flexibility in weapon choice would stop some of the complaining about it being the most stupidly skill-intensive ship in the game to fly.
pyyKtas	Posted - 2008.07.31 17:20:00 - [38] /signed
Trojanman190 D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.07.31 19:04:00 - [39] Edited by: Trojanman190 on 31/07/2008 19:04:05 If they wanted to counter nanos without nerfing anything they could have added some scripts... For example, a tracking script that: -65% speed. -25% rof -25% damage. +50% optimal +50% falloff + 250% tracking. So you wouldnt be instapopping nanoships but you would certainly be hitting them. EDIT: prolly only use one at a time. And also, for hictors: Their bubble could get a script that ups the radius to 40km and prevents microwarp drives from functioning inside this radius, it cannot overlap with another bubble. Does not prevent warping. OR Their focused point could have a script added that works out to 40 ot 50km that simply deactivates microwarp drives for a certain period of time. Does NOT prevent warping. OR The warp scrambler could have a script that changes it from the short range +2 scramble strength to + 300% optimal and shuts down mwds, but does not scramble. There are SOOOOOO many ideas out there that don't have anything to do with insane nerfs and aren't actually completely off the wall. Why does ccp turn to nerfs first without looking at the options tehy provided to the game in first place. Wasn't stuff like this the entire purpose of scripts???? Also, typhoon with 6/6 is overpowered. 5/5 is better. The module you describe with eccm and sensor boosting properties is a little bit over powered. Those two modules have nothing to do with each other and should stay seperate. However, I do agree that losing a mid to ECCM is kind of a bummer.
Ath Amon	Posted - 2008.07.31 23:54:00 - [40] phoon 6/6 (actually 6/2 as no one will fit guns) is probably a bit op due to large dronebay personally i'd go with 5m/3g (ok even 6m/2g :P) and instead of the gun rof a bonus to tp or to something else maybe even tank (some time ago i'd say speed now with the crap mass it got...) Originally by: Diana Merris Unfortunately, rather than address the slot layout/tanking issues for Minmatar the Devs have simple declared that it makes us "versitile".

Drek Grapper Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.01 00:15:00 - [41] Love the ideas. Will they listen...? ... ... Probably not. --------- If the Thorax was a car it would look like this
faeko	Posted - 2008.08.01 11:52:00 - [42] Agreed with the OP, minmatar battleships need to be reworked, considering all 3 of them, with the maelstrom being the easiest to fit cos of the ship bonii, still has way too much mass for a minmatar ship, its even slower to align from a raven :) Tempest needs a mass boost certainly, and yeah the phoon, jeez it does take a wizard to notice that the ship needs loving.
Maeltstome Minmatar Suicidal Office Clerks	Posted - 2008.08.01 23:56:00 - [43] these are all pheasible idea's, i support this. ------- [12:07] w33Daz: a trained 1 skill fur 24 mins n it took 2 days aff drones lvl 5 [12:07] w33Daz: A WIS LIKE WTF
Nicholas DW Infusion.	Posted - 2008.08.02 01:07:00 - [44] I like the idea of making sensor boosters script-able to protect against ECM, but the best counters for ECM are already mid slot mods (Projected and local ECCM); what do you think about the current strength of low slot ECCM? Keep them as is? I also like the 'phoon ideas, shield/armor ratios at the very least should get looked at.
Matsif	Posted - 2008.08.02 02:07:00 - [45] /signed
dolmant	Posted - 2008.08.02 07:55:00 - [46] Originally by: Pohbis Edited by: Pohbis on 31/07/2008 15:07:00 Originally by: Bellum Eternus Everyone who starts off as Caldari seems to check their brain at the door and start spewing nonsense. Quote: And why do you Caldari ******s always bring up this 'chance' based thing? It's not chance when you have a 99% chance of jamming someone. More personal attacks aside; "...start spewing nonsense."* "It's not chance when you have a 99% chance of jamming someone" In order to jam your Phoon 99% of the time I need to fill my lows with distortion amps, have all lvl 5 skills and point 4 Ladar II's at your battleship. If you had those 4 ECCMs, the chance would be 30%. That's if I'm set up for Ladar jamming. No scripts for jammers to change race you remember? And you still have FoFs. If that Falcon is hit with the same amount of Damp EW, its range is down to 20KM. So it's not jamming anything. And those damps work 100% and on all other race ships. "IMO once the sensor strength of a ship is triple the jam strength of an ECM module there should be a zero chance of jamming that ship. Period." Jammers don't stack, they cycle independently. Your Phoon with 1 ECCM would have a sensor strength of 35,3 and Tech II jammers with 3 distortion amps have a strenght og 11.7, which equals less than 1/3 of 35,3 ( 35,1 ). So 1 ECCM mod should make you immune to racial tech II jammers, no matter how many you get on your ass? I'm also curious to see that scale for ecm vs. sensor strenght with your suggestion. If 35,1 is no chance to jam on your scale, the non-ECCM strength on a Phoon, 18, is 50% chance or what? Who's spouting nonsense here? First, the phoon should get decent bonuses. pest also needs a change. Hps need switching. in short i agree. But to this guy above, if you are damped within 20km, you can get away, and can jam anything that tries to kill you (20km is basically warp scram range) so your only useless if your 100km away (and hence untouchable by fof's anyway) and if you fit on your falcon 4 SB's, you would have 80-90 km lock range, enough to jam people at. and, not only does EVERY falcon fill their lows with signal distortion amps, but no phoon fits 4 ECCM. And my buddy can perma jam my rapier in his falcon. I cant escape, i dont even have 20km lock range. But tbh, the immune thing wont work. its not a great idea. its like: if your ship goes below 100m/s it should be immune to webs.
Pohbis Neo T.E.C.H.	Posted - 2008.08.02 09:53:00 - [47] Originally by: dolmant But to this guy above, if you are damped within 20km, you can get away, and can jam anything that tries to kill you (20km is basically warp scram range) so your only useless if your 100km away (and hence untouchable by fof's anyway) Falcons sit more than 100KM away ( just like you point out that they fill their lows with distortion amps ). Originally by: dolmant and if you fit on your falcon 4 SB's, you would have 80-90 km lock range, enough to jam people at. and, not only does EVERY falcon fill their lows with signal distortion amps, but no phoon fits 4 ECCM. And my buddy can perma jam my rapier in his falcon. I cant escape, i dont even have 20km lock range. Just like no Phoon fits 4 ECCM, no Falcon fits 4 SBs. With 4 SBs that Phoon would have no problem countering with one ECCM module. Gallente recons do fit 4 sensor damps tho. I'm not claiming that the mods I used are realistic in a normal encounter, but I was replying to a post were a guy claimed that 99% chance to jam isn't "chance" at all. I was just pointing out the obvious bias in his numbers, what would be needed for such a scenario to take place, and how easy it would be to counter.
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2008.08.02 15:03:00 - [48] Originally by: August Guns Rather than include a script for sensor boosters, I would rather have ECCM boosted to include a resistance to other forms of EWAR: - bonus to sensor strength, as exists now - resistance to effects of sensor damps - resistance to effects of target painters - resistance to effects of turret disruptors Those four effects would, in my opinion, make ECCM appealing enough to have pilots consider the inclusion of a true ECCM module. I will leave it up to others to debate the merits of including other resistances (like webs, neutralizers, etc.) I think this is a very good idea.
Cornette Gallente Black Screen of Death HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2008.09.07 08:48:00 - [49] Nice thread, me like. So here is a friendly bump.
Typhado3 Minmatar Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.09.07 09:16:00 - [50] Originally by: Cornette Nice thread, me like. So here is a friendly bump. hmm necromancy.... hot. as for more on topic stuff. A large fear of giving minmatar a decent missile ship has been nano missile launchers. With stacking nerf I see this as being less of a problem. as for typhoon outdamaging a raven, raven can use lows for bcu's while phoon needs em for tank so I don't think it's gonna be the death of the raven.

Kalintos Tyl Minmatar	Posted - 2008.09.07 11:04:00 - [51] Originally by: Pohbis Edited by: Pohbis on 31/07/2008 15:07:00 Originally by: Bellum Eternus Everyone who starts off as Caldari seems to check their brain at the door and start spewing nonsense. Quote: And why do you Caldari ******s always bring up this 'chance' based thing? It's not chance when you have a 99% chance of jamming someone. More personal attacks aside; "...start spewing nonsense."* "It's not chance when you have a 99% chance of jamming someone" In order to jam your Phoon 99% of the time I need to fill my lows with distortion amps, have all lvl 5 skills and point 4 Ladar II's at your battleship. If you had those 4 ECCMs, the chance would be 30%. That's if I'm set up for Ladar jamming. No scripts for jammers to change race you remember? And you still have FoFs. If that Falcon is hit with the same amount of Damp EW, its range is down to 20KM. So it's not jamming anything. And those damps work 100% and on all other race ships. "IMO once the sensor strength of a ship is triple the jam strength of an ECM module there should be a zero chance of jamming that ship. Period." Jammers don't stack, they cycle independently. Your Phoon with 1 ECCM would have a sensor strength of 35,3 and Tech II jammers with 3 distortion amps have a strenght og 11.7, which equals less than 1/3 of 35,3 ( 35,1 ). So 1 ECCM mod should make you immune to racial tech II jammers, no matter how many you get on your ass? I'm also curious to see that scale for ecm vs. sensor strenght with your suggestion. If 35,1 is no chance to jam on your scale, the non-ECCM strength on a Phoon, 18, is 50% chance or what? Who's spouting nonsense here? had 2 overloaded eccm 78 sensor strenght and could shoot 2 rounds in minute. Arent ecm imba ?:D
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Infinity Enterprises	Posted - 2008.09.08 10:14:00 - [52] I really think ECM shoudl be solved with an TP boost. MAke target painted ship be lockable even by ECM jammed ships. That would improve a lot the TP usefullness and create a viable coutner to ECM that is less frustratign than putting an ECCM and stil get jammed 2 in 3 times. THis chage woudl only help teams, so needs organization and promoted better gameplay. ------------------------------------------------- If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough

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