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Tindriel
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Posted - 2004.05.29 00:10:00 -
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The apoc after the patch is too powerful. This was a realistic duel, no named weapons or very expencive items.
Me and a couple of friends took on a armor tanking apoc, I was on a tempest with 6x 1400mm howitsers. i do alot of dmg on those 1400mm, Shield tanking. (wreck max dmg 1580) =P
And another tempest, with 6x 800mm repeating artys, armor tanking.
And a armor tanking megathron, with 6 425mm, and a pretty skilled character too.
He took us all down and never went under 60% cap and we never got him below 30% armor.
Whats you opinion on the apoc? after the patch there is.
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Admiral IceBlock
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Posted - 2004.05.29 00:20:00 -
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what was the apocs setup? close range? long range? and what ranges did ya fight on?
but... you guys suck! :P
3v1 and still ya lost?! :(
"We brake for nobody"
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Isiana
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Posted - 2004.05.29 00:34:00 -
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Edited by: Isiana on 29/05/2004 00:36:04 yeah 3vs1 and u still couldnt beat him, sounds like u guys dont have good setups or u just cant fight, just bring cap drainers, it will kill the apoc easily
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Lallante
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Posted - 2004.05.29 02:00:00 -
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I went on to******the guy that got you in that 3vs1. Paper scissors stone
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Raid
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Posted - 2004.05.29 04:51:00 -
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modify your setups. I have taken out plenty of armor tanking apocs on chaos 1vs1. Its not hard if you fit correctly and use the right kind of ammo at the right ranges.
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Meridius
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Posted - 2004.05.29 05:21:00 -
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3 vs 1 and you guys lost?
That is pathetic and tbh i don't think you're giving the full story.
If you are landing 1500's wrecks there is no way his tank could resist you and 2 others of semi-equal dmg output.
It's just not possible.
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even
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Posted - 2004.05.29 11:34:00 -
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'Only those in high favor with the Emperor can earn the reward of commanding one of the majestic and powerful Apocalypse class battleships. These metallic monstrosities see to it that the word of the Emperor is carried out among the denizens of the Empire and beyond.'
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corporal hicks
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Posted - 2004.05.29 13:12:00 -
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Waiting for the whole story your not mentioning what the apoc had or what you had on your mid slots ect on your ships. Post the rest first before making a apoc overpowered statement.
" Stay Frosty "
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qrac
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Posted - 2004.05.29 14:29:00 -
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you're telling us that an apoc with standard equipment beat 3 other ships?
let's say u guys only deal 720dmg/s. let's say he hardens 60% of your damage. that means u still deal 288dmg/s. 2 large armour reps with max skills heal 106,67 armour. that means u still deal about 180 damage to him every second. this setup also means he has crap offense due to 5 low slots occupied for tanking and prob a 6th (1600mm plate). this also means he has very little cpu to spare.
my average fights on chaos last 70 seconds. that means he needed more than that to kill one of you and you would've already killed him by that time.
possible reasons to why u lost: your skills suck. your loadouts suck. your tactics suck. he cheated and used named stuff.
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Isiana
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Posted - 2004.05.29 17:46:00 -
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Edited by: Isiana on 29/05/2004 17:47:40
Originally by: qrac
possible reasons to why u lost: your skills suck. your loadouts suck. your tactics suck. he cheated and used named stuff.
named stuff wont win a 3vs1 alone i think the reason is a combo of the first 3
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Tindriel
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Posted - 2004.05.29 23:03:00 -
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The apocs offencive was bad yes, but you cant crawl through the armor.
I had a tracking computer cap booster sensor booster em hardner and a xl clarity ward in the mid slots.
And we were fighting a raven and apoc.
The raven was taken out with ease, but we all had realistic setups, that means no crazy expencive stuff, and not 100% fitted to take down a laser apoc, of course you can fit a ship with 6 1400mm guns and a mwd and keep the apoc at 60km and own him. We used setups that we would actually use when angaging ships in eve, If your gonna gank someone you dont fit 100% duel stuff, couz then the ships would just warp out.
And again, i tested dueling that apoc again, he used the same setup, i used 6 1400 scouts, 2 cruise launchers and kept him at range, and i couldnt get past the armor, even if i shot for 6 hours.
And then yes, the Megathron was damaged after the raven, and was killed pretty soon after the raven was down, and the repeating artillery tempest was cap drained, and we all started at 20km, No dampening or target jamming was in it tho. (thats lame)
well yeah, you can always fit up to kill one ship if you know what i uses, but you dont fit your ship like that when you go out of the station to kill somthing.
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Nightfang
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Posted - 2004.05.30 07:19:00 -
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Originally by: Tindriel
well yeah, you can always fit up to kill one ship if you know what i uses, but you dont fit your ship like that when you go out of the station to kill somthing.
Welcome to what's good with EVE
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Ishtari
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Posted - 2004.05.30 07:30:00 -
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You started at 20km? Thats below your optimal range. Fight at optimal range and he ll be death fast.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.05.30 08:13:00 -
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Something must be good about the new Apoc statistics because I know of 6 people who are training up to fly them and they don't even have Amarr frigate skill trained.
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DigitalCommunist
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Posted - 2004.05.30 09:00:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Calvert Something must be good about the new Apoc statistics because I know of 6 people who are training up to fly them and they don't even have Amarr frigate skill trained.
6 tachyons -10% cap per level dmg boost on MF
hello?
I dont have amarr cruiser lvl 1 and I feel like I should train up _____________________________________ Perpetually driven, your end is our beginning. "Can I be a consultant for EVE II?" - WhiteDwarf |
Isiana
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Posted - 2004.05.30 10:52:00 -
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Admiral IceBlock
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Posted - 2004.05.30 11:50:00 -
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they should up the tacyhon pg back to 4250 since they upped the apoc pg...
"We brake for nobody"
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Hellek
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Posted - 2004.05.30 12:05:00 -
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Edited by: Hellek on 30/05/2004 12:06:31 A tach does about the same damage as a 425mm rail on a megathron with pilot with lvl4 BS skill, but it has 20% less range and a lot more cap use (using a few tachs costs you (even with lvl4 amarr BS) about the same cap as having a XL SB on autorepeat).
The fitting requirements: 425mm rail: 70 CPU, 2750 grid Tachyon beam: 60 CPU, 3750 grid
so do you really think it needs a nerf? no, it doesn't, actually it needs a boost. (not in fitting requirements of course, but in damage and range)
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MadGaz
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Posted - 2004.05.30 16:12:00 -
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Originally by: Hellek Edited by: Hellek on 30/05/2004 12:06:31 A tach does about the same damage as a 425mm rail on a megathron with pilot with lvl4 BS skill, but it has 20% less range and a lot more cap use (using a few tachs costs you (even with lvl4 amarr BS) about the same cap as having a XL SB on autorepeat).
The fitting requirements: 425mm rail: 70 CPU, 2750 grid Tachyon beam: 60 CPU, 3750 grid
so do you really think it needs a nerf? no, it doesn't, actually it needs a boost. (not in fitting requirements of course, but in damage and range)
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Mikelangelo
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Posted - 2004.05.30 16:21:00 -
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Apoc isn't unbeatable on Chaos, but is is far better than it was before.
Doubt that it could take on multiple battleships, unless the other guy's fitting sucks totally.
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