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Jace Errata
Lawlz Brawlz
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Posted - 2012.03.19 22:44:00 -
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You know how you keep bitchin' about how EVE's getting all easy-mode and WOW-y? That's only gonna be true when a corpie asks me what I'm doing and the answer isn't "hell if I know".
That point's a way off.
Stealth OST puns and blatant lies since 2009 Jace Errata on Twitter |
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
355
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Posted - 2012.03.19 22:53:00 -
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People have actually said that this game is getting "wow-y"? How does that make sense? It's not like we have instant queue Incursion fleets that warp us from one end of the galaxy to the other in a single click. Or achievements. Or special PVP areas (since the entire game is a "battleground"). We don't have elves, CCP doesn't use every color available to them (see The Burning Crusade), resulting in fruity colors and cartoony graphics.
Most of all, I've seen a few dumb people in my time so far, but not even close to the amount I had encountered on a trip to Azeroth I had once taken, since most of my friends praise WoW and hate EVE.
Fly Safe, Die Hard
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2012.03.19 22:59:00 -
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Meryl SinGarda wrote:People have actually said that this game is getting "wow-y"? How does that make sense? It's not like we have instant queue Incursion fleets that warp us from one end of the galaxy to the other in a single click. Or achievements. Or special PVP areas (since the entire game is a "battleground"). We don't have elves, CCP doesn't use every color available to them (see The Burning Crusade), resulting in fruity colors and cartoony graphics.
Most of all, I've seen a few dumb people in my time so far, but not even close to the amount I had encountered on a trip to Azeroth I had once taken, since most of my friends praise WoW and hate EVE.
Everytime they change the names of items people start screaming about EVE IS WOW NOW!!! Or when they change any number of other things that were basically tedious or overly complex that did not add value to gameplay. http://youtu.be/yytbDZrw1jc |
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
355
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Posted - 2012.03.19 23:22:00 -
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Barakkus wrote:Meryl SinGarda wrote:People have actually said that this game is getting "wow-y"? How does that make sense? It's not like we have instant queue Incursion fleets that warp us from one end of the galaxy to the other in a single click. Or achievements. Or special PVP areas (since the entire game is a "battleground"). We don't have elves, CCP doesn't use every color available to them (see The Burning Crusade), resulting in fruity colors and cartoony graphics.
Most of all, I've seen a few dumb people in my time so far, but not even close to the amount I had encountered on a trip to Azeroth I had once taken, since most of my friends praise WoW and hate EVE. Everytime they change the names of items people start screaming about EVE IS WOW NOW!!! Or when they change any number of other things that were basically tedious or overly complex that did not add value to gameplay.
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Brock Nelson
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Posted - 2012.03.19 23:30:00 -
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I've never played WOW, so I wouldn't know how to compare the two game... Signature removed, CCP Phantom |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2012.03.19 23:32:00 -
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I perfer my wine in a brown paper bag... epsecially the burgundy of apple whines which is known as Nighttrain ( I luv that stuff!! & can never get enough :) |
Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
427
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Posted - 2012.03.19 23:37:00 -
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Corpie
It's not Rocket Surgery |
Fredfredbug4
Kings of Kill EVE Animal Control
107
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Posted - 2012.03.20 01:39:00 -
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These are official forums. Official game forums exist entirely because of whining.
If you actually want to hear from people who like the game, go to a fansite. |
masternerdguy
Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate
27
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Posted - 2012.03.20 02:03:00 -
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Fredfredbug4 wrote:These are official forums. Official game forums exist entirely because of whining.
If you actually want to hear from people who like the game, go to a fansite.
I thought forums were for constructive feedback and community involvement. |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
441
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Posted - 2012.03.20 02:07:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:Fredfredbug4 wrote:These are official forums. Official game forums exist entirely because of whining.
If you actually want to hear from people who like the game, go to a fansite. I thought forums were for constructive feedback and community involvement. ...* I thought the forums were for trolling, disseminating disinformation, and stirring up discontent!
This thread is now about what the forums are for.
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Xenophon Zateki
Vetrox Technologies
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Posted - 2012.03.20 02:08:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:Fredfredbug4 wrote:These are official forums. Official game forums exist entirely because of whining.
If you actually want to hear from people who like the game, go to a fansite. I thought forums were for constructive feedback and community involvement.
In a perfect world, yes.
However, this is not a perfect world.
As a result, there is very little constructive feedback and community involvement.
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Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2012.03.20 02:10:00 -
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EVE subscribers have recently increased from 300k to now somewhere above 400k as stated a few months ago.
I would just like to point out CCP is doing a horrible job and EVE is dying.
Also BOB, NC, DRF, CFC are ruining Null Sec and will soon own all of it. |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
441
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Posted - 2012.03.20 02:21:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:EVE subscribers have recently increased from 300k to now somewhere above 400k as stated a few months ago.
I would just like to point out CCP is doing a horrible job and EVE is dying.
Also BOB, NC, DRF, CFC are ruining Null Sec and will soon own all of it. That's because no one else wants it or cares. There's nothing that makes one part of space special over another (except some fine stats) and there are too many high end alliance level warfare tactical problems for anyone to be bothered. When the face of null warfare changes there will be reason again to take internet spaceships and their wars seriously. Until then the major alliances will likely continue playing silly games (Look at what TEST, PL, Brick Squad, White Noise, Goons, AAA, pretty much all the heavy hitters have been doing lately. Silly tactics, silly targets, silly fleets (mostly) because they are bored! None of them care much about their sov... and they don't need to because no other power blocks with the punch required to stand against them can be bothered!)
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2012.03.20 02:27:00 -
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"Internet Negativity Syndrome"
Anything out of a person who is on the internet has a high chance of being negative because the conditions of the individual posting are such that the mental state is proven to be negative.
Such conditions surrounding being on the internet posting on a forum would include:
Being alone. Waiting for something or something looked forward to being postponed (stood up on a date, bad weather, bored to death at work, etc). Not getting laid or cannot even if attempted/ or lack of money. Being so depressed for so long that there is a disconnect from the cause of it.
Sufferers of INS will have a negative opinion of EVERYTHING, no matter what it is, and what the actual facts are.
Places that are most affected are MMO game boards (I'm not kidding) followed by "gun and survival" boards and hobbyist boards.
The only visible symptome of INS is a beard that extends down the front of the neck. Women are less likely to suffer from INS because they can simply go out and someone else will buy them drinks.
Regarding how "un-WOW" Eve is. Anyone who thinks WOW is total Hello Kitty Land never played a PVP server. WOW does not have anything like Concord. I think the only thing that makes WOW so "WOW-ish" is that you don't lose your stuff when you get killed.
Everything else is just simply differences that are not enough to base an entire reason to play the game on.
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Aiwha
101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda
226
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Posted - 2012.03.20 02:44:00 -
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People claiming EVE is becoming WoW have not played WoW recently.
A friend recently gave me a free week of WoW.
I played a grand total of 20 minutes. EVE is not becoming WoW. WoW is becoming... Candyland. Regards,
LCpl. Aiwha-á Senior Recruiter |
Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
413
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Posted - 2012.03.20 03:08:00 -
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Aiwha wrote:People claiming EVE is becoming WoW have not played WoW recently.
A friend recently gave me a free week of WoW.
I played a grand total of 20 minutes. EVE is not becoming WoW. WoW is becoming... Candyland.
so... what your saying is... we should all start playing wow. |
Ai Shun
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Posted - 2012.03.20 03:22:00 -
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Xenophon Zateki wrote:In a perfect world, yes.
However, this is not a perfect world.
As a result, there is very little constructive feedback and community involvement.
Really? Last time I checked the forums for A Perfect World it was in Mandarin, so it could have been just about anything in there. |
Ender Karazaki
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.03.20 03:25:00 -
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Well, I've played WoW. I've also played Everquest when it was first released as well as Everquest 2 along was a whole host of other MMOs. What people tend to say about WoW and other themepark games is a whole lot of elitist rubbish. There are some dungeons in WoW that only a few guilds have managed to complete. However for the most part they are watered down casual friendly games that are very accessible to non-gamers. For the most part these games are not really meant for gamers or at least the gamer that would want to play EVE. EVE is far more PvP centric than WoW could ever be while WoW does casual PvE very well. However, from my experience of MMOs PvP in PVE centric games tend to be poor and vice versa.
But I agree that we do not give CCP enough credit and there seems to be a trend in the forums of nitpicking over small changes such as renaming mods or small changes to the the rat spawns. They may have botched the captains quarter release and pissed of a few people off with the in game store. But overall EVE has turned into an amazing game and we should remember that from time to time. If you look what happened to the original EQ and Star Wars or even the Dark Age of Camelot where games where allowed to stagnate and decline so developers could just focus on the next big thing while their playbase are completely ignored.
CCP do listen to you as long as your concerns are resonable and they do a lot of work behind the scene to keep in touch of what is going on in the game. The amount of contact between us and them is something that just doesn't happen in other games apart from one that has a very small comunity. The only Blizzard or Sony employee I've ever seen are GM's dressed up as fairies. The idea of them roaming in the game and PKing players is just a non-starter.
I know the game is not perfect, the PVE is just... dull there are too many bots and the UI is out of control and patch days seem to be a trial. EVE will never be the perfect game or the most popular one but it's community and CCP makes it by far the most dynamic, interesting and complex games out there. Lets celebrate that while we spy, steal, pod and scam each other. |
Jett0
Team Kitty Choke Slam
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Posted - 2012.03.20 03:56:00 -
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Forum whining is just another indication that someone isn't drunk enough to be logged in. |
Valentyn3
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2012.03.20 04:11:00 -
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Herping yourDerp wrote:Aiwha wrote:People claiming EVE is becoming WoW have not played WoW recently.
A friend recently gave me a free week of WoW.
I played a grand total of 20 minutes. EVE is not becoming WoW. WoW is becoming... Candyland. so... what your saying is... we should all start playing wow.
Wow is dying, Eve is dying, every MMO is dying!
GW2 is dying and they haven't even released it yet!
It's over people!
They only thing left to play is Angry Birds. I don't always use hax. But when I do, it's because I'm an NPC.. http://i.imgur.com/PUZou.jpg
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Mai Khumm
Apple Construction Inc Northern Associates.
187
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Posted - 2012.03.20 04:24:00 -
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After playing WoW for years, I can say it was hard (see version 1.12 and before) then afterwards Blizz decided to stop catering to "hardcore" gamers, but started catering to...well...everyone else. Sure they got a large playerbase, but on that same note, the average IQ of that game is about 85-90.
EVE is the definition of hard. I have yet to meet 12-something year olds in this game. All I ever encounter is lawyers, post-secondary students, miltary personal, russians (the ones who evolved from bears) and etc. The only way for alot of this game to make any sense is when most of the player base is completely drunk off their asses.
Essentually, CCP is going to have to go out of their way to simplify this game to the point where the average WoW-*** can play... "Being drunk is a good disguise. I drink so I can talk to a**holes. This includes me." |
Masamune Dekoro
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
72
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Posted - 2012.03.20 04:28:00 -
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Jett0 wrote:Forum whining is just another indication that someone isn't drunk enough to be logged in.
It's generally frowned upon to be on the drink at work. |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
428
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Posted - 2012.03.20 05:00:00 -
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Ender Karazaki wrote: CCP do listen to you as long as your concerns are resonable and they do a lot of work behind the scene to keep in touch of what is going on in the game. The amount of contact between us and them is something that just doesn't happen in other games apart from one that has a very small comunity.
I know the game is not perfect, the PVE is just... dull there are too many bots and the UI is out of control and patch days seem to be a trial. EVE will never be the perfect game or the most popular one but it's community and CCP makes it by far the most dynamic, interesting and complex games out there. Lets celebrate that while we spy, steal, pod and scam each other.
While there are a great many nitpickers, many players address real issues. I'll agree that the amount of contact between players and developers has improved greatly.
As for the renaming of mods: It's not that they're being renamed. CCP is taking steps in the right direction, however, they're renaming is almost completely trivial with the exception of implants and it's only partially effective specifically the numbering scheme. The implant names however, hardly indicate their purpose. The numbering scheme does indicate important information. Beyond what slot and what % bonus, there's really no other information to be had from it.
As for module renaming.....photon scattering array or em ward, if you can learn one, you can learn the other. The idea of having to relearn these names after the entirety of the game's existence, well, is kinda pointless. Trauma missiles or Scourge missiles.....what information is gleaned there to indicate function, nothing. All damage types will cause traumas, will they not? So, what's the point of that specific renaming? None that I can see other than to rename it. That's what many people are "nitpicking" CCP for doing. This kind of functionless change is "nitpicking" the playerbase. We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |
Valentyn3
Deep Core Mining Inc.
134
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Posted - 2012.03.20 05:33:00 -
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Masamune Dekoro wrote:Jett0 wrote:Forum whining is just another indication that someone isn't drunk enough to be logged in. It's generally frowned upon to be on the drink at work.
But apparently forum trawling is perfectly acceptable. I don't always use hax. But when I do, it's because I'm an NPC.. http://i.imgur.com/PUZou.jpg
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St Mio
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
548
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Posted - 2012.03.20 06:21:00 -
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Mai Khumm wrote:EVE is the definition of hard. I have yet to meet 12-something year olds in this game. All I ever encounter is lawyers, post-secondary students, miltary personal, russians (the ones who evolved from bears) and etc. The only way for alot of this game to make any sense is when most of the player base is completely drunk off their asses. http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLE075E16BD11172BB&feature=plcp
If EVE is dying, can I have it's stuff? |
Vetorept Fera
Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
2
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Posted - 2012.03.20 06:32:00 -
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When I can queue for a 1v1 then it will be WoWy Esse vel non esse, id est, de quo preoccupies nostrum. |
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
355
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Posted - 2012.03.20 08:21:00 -
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Herping yourDerp wrote:Aiwha wrote:People claiming EVE is becoming WoW have not played WoW recently.
A friend recently gave me a free week of WoW.
I played a grand total of 20 minutes. EVE is not becoming WoW. WoW is becoming... Candyland. so... what your saying is... we should all start playing wow.
I don't know why, but I burst out laughing when I read this.
Fly Safe, Die Hard
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Natsumi Shindo
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.20 09:32:00 -
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Comparing WoW with EVE, is like comparing a hot blond girl with a hot Asian girl, personal opinion :P
oh and BTW EVE is the hot asian girl ;) |
trexinatux
Bipedal Carnivore Club
26
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Posted - 2012.03.20 15:38:00 -
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Oops...Came in here cause I thought it said: "Dear forum winners". Helpless people on subway trains... |
Fishmaskle
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.20 16:45:00 -
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While finding a way to get Noobs who just got into EVE to stay in EVE will be a tough nut to crack while keeping the "Hardcore" Crowd happy, it wouldn't be so bad to include some of what has "worked" for other MMO's in EVE. The question is "How?"
Being a spaceship game with virtually unlimited possibility and always "ON" PVP, trying to make it easy for the casual gamer to get into the game and actually take a sec to finally see what it offers someone is a tough task. The New Noobships, the Career agents, and heck Corps like E-Uni and RvB are all reasonably good, but I think there does need to be an easier way to truely make it simple for a new player to figure out where he is, what he wants to do, and how to do it.
Some random though that comes to mind...
Possibly instead of the usual Noob Corp in the same space as everyone else, there could be "Starter Space". A small cluster of systems (3-4 ish) that is a mix of high sec, low sec, and nul sec (1 0.0 sys) for the sole purpose of getting a noob acquainted to exactly what goes on in each system. There would have to be a cluster for each race as well
Within these systems, the Agents/Tutorial would guide you through the basics of what you may find (Currently) within each system as well as give players a chance to PVP, mine, do whatever within said systems. (With limited Mods/ships available, say nothing above T1 and nothing larger than a Destroyer). Once a player feels ready to head out into the real Galaxy, you cannot return to said "noob system".
This would sort of cover the mix of countering "Noob Ganking" (except for those that have new chars left in there for the said task of ganking) but also with the limited ships, mods, skills, you would have a hard time doing it solo once the "noob" catches on ;)
The other thing would possibly be the bringing over of a more public "Looking for Gang" ability. So that players can look for a fleet in public or otherwise to tackle whatever task they may want. In the Noob system, this could be used and learned through the Tutorial to tackle say a mission or whatnot in the lowsec/nulsec system. Sure you may/may not be able to trust someone in this world of EVE, but it could give the noobs some idea of what to expect, and overall even outside of the noob systems, give players another way to look for others randomly to hopefully get a useful group to tackle a tough task/mission/etc.
In a way this "Looking for Gang/Fleet" tool could also be used in Incursions now (and Faction War? I dono as I haven't journeyed into that area of EVE yet). Instead of just spamming the chat, one could be looking for an Incursion fleet, have info on the ship/fitting and possibly past Incursion experience (how many of each they have done, FC or not, etc)
This would hopefully speed up the time it takes to form a fleet and again, help newer players into the fray.
Another though for PVE that might also attract noob a smidge. Possibly increasing the interaction of some Missions. Making it so that there is a little more interaction with NPC's such as Escort Missions, Base assaults with allied NPC's (with time deadlines and bonus for remaining friendly NPC's) etc. There would be no way the NPC could do the job without you, but it would give the player some feeling the the EVE universe was a bit more "alive" outside of just the Players alone. Also think about good level 4/5's that would require multiple players to complete? It would be a nice change of pace outside of the simple Shoot this to spawn this (and they spawn out of thin air? At least have a warp in or possibly undock out of said hiding place) and loot this missions. It would be a step back for the usual Blitz players, but then again... We could also throw in the wrench of killing the allied NPC's/escort haulers/etc that could change the outcome of the mission, (dynamic mission change or dynamic choices for different mission outcomes?) I am guessing there would need to be some core adjustments to the game to make something like this
TL:DR Thinking of ways to make Noobs feel at home, easier for players to interact overall, and while making PVE less drull. Not to lure away fron Nullsec, but to possibly make LowSec/HighSec a bit more fun while Nullsec Sov Changes also make Null more fun.
Hmm.. Random Tuesday brainstorm but there is what came out of the braincloud
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