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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.08.02 07:24:00 -
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 Originally by: Nebulous
Originally by: ricko mortis
Its allways funny to see a country with a stockpile of what 10000 nukes telling some country it cant enrich uranium incase its making a nuke..hypocrisy at work stupid Americans and there we will save the world mentality
Honestly Iran is a sovreign nation and can do what it bloodly well wants inside its own borders, the posts in this thread about dirty nukes on european cities ect ect is nothing but propaganda spread by America and its croneys to cover up some other reason to invade iran (Oil)..o crap I mentioned the O word...better ship me to cuba.
You forgot to mention that america are the only country to have ever used nuclear weapons, the two bombs that were dropped on japan were in my opinion the most disgraceful and cowardly attacks on a nation that has ever been commited, at the time most of the war capable men were at war so in the major cities you were only really left with women, children and old people. No nation can justify such an attack and can not tell other nations that they can not make nuclear weapons for themselves after engaging in such an act.
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If I remember correctly the fire bombings killed more people(we bombed japan to hell before deciding on nuking them).
And if we would have invaded millions of japanese and americans would have perished.... Though im not saying it was the best idea ever in the long run, but you must understand that the tactics back then were much different.
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Perkone
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Posted - 2008.08.02 11:48:00 -
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Originally by: Nebulous
Originally by: ricko mortis
Its allways funny to see a country with a stockpile of what 10000 nukes telling some country it cant enrich uranium incase its making a nuke..hypocrisy at work stupid Americans and there we will save the world mentality
Honestly Iran is a sovreign nation and can do what it bloodly well wants inside its own borders, the posts in this thread about dirty nukes on european cities ect ect is nothing but propaganda spread by America and its croneys to cover up some other reason to invade iran (Oil)..o crap I mentioned the O word...better ship me to cuba.
You forgot to mention that america are the only country to have ever used nuclear weapons, the two bombs that were dropped on japan were in my opinion the most disgraceful and cowardly attacks on a nation that has ever been commited, at the time most of the war capable men were at war so in the major cities you were only really left with women, children and old people. No nation can justify such an attack and can not tell other nations that they can not make nuclear weapons for themselves after engaging in such an act.
Agreed.
And some of you armchair generals in this thread is almost as bad as the guy in the OPs post :p
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Reiisha
Splint Eye Probabilities Inc.
Dawn of Transcendence
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Posted - 2008.08.02 12:14:00 -
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Originally by: Xen Gin
Edited by: Xen Gin on 01/08/2008 15:03:44
Originally by: F'nog
I have no doubt that we could "defeat" Iran in a war. All it would entail is a bunch of B-52s and B-2s, plus fighter-bombers, to pound them into the stone age, not to mention regular fighters to take out their air force and a wide spread of cruise missiles. But that's basically what we did in Afganistan, and it hasn't worked out so well, has it?
There is a difference between subjugation and annihilation. A lot or Iran's populace are quite good people, while the more extremes hold a grip on policy making and power.
Any sort of premeditated attack on Iran by Israel or the US, would incur high penalties for the west.
I don't think the US could subjugate Iran by invasion, the resistance would be too high, the civilian and US soldier casualties too much for the American public. Iraq is a cakewalk compared to Iran, and If it did have a nuke, I would have no doubt that it would be willing to use it in self defence against Israel or even against a US invasion force in Iran itself.
Iran knows that it can never attack Israel without provocation and without incurring the wrath of the West. To attack with a nuke would be suicide for all of Iran, as the US/UK/Israel wouldn't hesitate to launch back.
This raises an important issue.
Say, Iran would threaten to attack a specific country within it's range with a nuke if they were attacked (most probably Israel). Would the US still attack, or would they not care beause they're not attacking US soil anyway?
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Reiisha
Splint Eye Probabilities Inc.
Dawn of Transcendence
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Posted - 2008.08.02 12:16:00 -
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Originally by: F'nog
I agree that it's hypocritical that we don't want other countries to build nuclear weapons, but we're talking about Iran here. It's not the most reasonable of countries. I just don't know that their leaders realize that using a nuke anywhere is a seriously BAD idea.
That doesn't mean we should invade or attack them either, though. Negotiating is a much safer and more sensible route to take.
Why is Iran not reasonable? They haven't started any wars for centuries.
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Mark Lucius
Kinetic Vector
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Posted - 2008.08.02 12:38:00 -
[125]
Originally by: Reiisha
Why is Iran not reasonable? They haven't started any wars for centuries.
Indeed. Unlike the US.
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.02 13:11:00 -
[126]
Originally by: Reiisha
Originally by: F'nog
I agree that it's hypocritical that we don't want other countries to build nuclear weapons, but we're talking about Iran here. It's not the most reasonable of countries. I just don't know that their leaders realize that using a nuke anywhere is a seriously BAD idea.
That doesn't mean we should invade or attack them either, though. Negotiating is a much safer and more sensible route to take.
Why is Iran not reasonable? They haven't started any wars for centuries.
Because they're sabre-rattling in a sort-of scary manner. And they don't like Israel. That's pretty much what it boils down to.
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7shining7one7
Don Rico's Massive Rainbow Storage
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Posted - 2008.08.02 13:20:00 -
[127]
Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 02/08/2008 13:20:52
Originally by: ReaperOfSly
Originally by: Reiisha
Originally by: F'nog
I agree that it's hypocritical that we don't want other countries to build nuclear weapons, but we're talking about Iran here. It's not the most reasonable of countries. I just don't know that their leaders realize that using a nuke anywhere is a seriously BAD idea.
That doesn't mean we should invade or attack them either, though. Negotiating is a much safer and more sensible route to take.
Why is Iran not reasonable? They haven't started any wars for centuries.
Because they're sabre-rattling in a sort-of scary manner. And they don't like Israel. That's pretty much what it boils down to.
blatantly false.
Zionism is NOT israel
A jewish gentleman says it straight.
no, the only sabre-rattling in a sort-of scary manner, is conducted by the united states government and the coalition of the "willing", by labeling every man and his dog a terrorist and labeling entire countries as evil, promoting mass madness.. which is the only word that can be used to describe this "war on terror" and those who help promote it.
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.02 13:43:00 -
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Edited by: ReaperOfSly on 02/08/2008 13:44:56
Originally by: 7shining7one7
Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 02/08/2008 13:40:23
Originally by: ReaperOfSly
Originally by: Reiisha
Originally by: F'nog
I agree that it's hypocritical that we don't want other countries to build nuclear weapons, but we're talking about Iran here. It's not the most reasonable of countries. I just don't know that their leaders realize that using a nuke anywhere is a seriously BAD idea.
That doesn't mean we should invade or attack them either, though. Negotiating is a much safer and more sensible route to take.
Why is Iran not reasonable? They haven't started any wars for centuries.
Because they're sabre-rattling in a sort-of scary manner. And they don't like Israel. That's pretty much what it boils down to.
blatantly false.
Zionism is NOT israel
and why would he say such a thing?
A jewish gentleman says it straight.
because iran wants peace, rather than the looming conflict zionism certainly has its part in promoting,
nobody really has a burning desire to be killed or to kill, neither does iranians, that shouldn't really surprise you, but unfortunately the above links will be surprising for many because of all the blatant lies and misrepresentations of things said and done, that are being flung around in the media pool daily.
no, the only sabre-rattling in a sort-of scary manner, is conducted by the united states government and the coalition of the "willing", by labeling every man and his dog a terrorist and labeling entire countries as evil, promoting mass madness.. which is the only word that can be used to describe this "war on terror" and those who help promote it.
WTF? I said NOTHING about Zionism. Are you an idiot?
The Iranian president Armour DinnerJacket said he wanted to wipe Israel off the map. So yeah, Iran are not big fans of Israel, and it certainly sounds like sabre rattling. That's not to say they'll actually do anything about it though.
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7shining7one7
Don Rico's Massive Rainbow Storage
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Posted - 2008.08.02 13:44:00 -
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Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 02/08/2008 13:45:18
No i am not an idiot, and i was referring to your comment of the supposed sabre rattling, which is blatantly false, and stems to a large degree from blatant misrepresentation of the quote by the iranian prime minister, which is exposed as such in the above video.
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Lyrus Associates
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Posted - 2008.08.02 13:45:00 -
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Originally by: 7shining7one7
No i am not an idiot, and i was referring to your comment of the supposed sabre rattling, which is blatantly false.
No it's not.
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7shining7one7
Don Rico's Massive Rainbow Storage
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Posted - 2008.08.02 13:46:00 -
[131]
Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 02/08/2008 13:46:53
Originally by: ReaperOfSly
Originally by: 7shining7one7
No i am not an idiot, and i was referring to your comment of the supposed sabre rattling, which is blatantly false.
No it's not.
Prove it then. *waits for another media lie to be dissasembled*
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.02 13:47:00 -
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Originally by: 7shining7one7
Originally by: ReaperOfSly
Originally by: 7shining7one7
No i am not an idiot, and i was referring to your comment of the supposed sabre rattling, which is blatantly false.
No it's not.
Prove it then.
See the edit on my previous post. Armour DinnerJacket (or whatever his name is) said he wanted to wipe Israel off the face of the Earth. Does that not sound like sabre-rattling?
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7shining7one7
Don Rico's Massive Rainbow Storage
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Posted - 2008.08.02 13:50:00 -
[133]
Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 02/08/2008 13:50:31
Originally by: ReaperOfSly
Originally by: 7shining7one7
Originally by: ReaperOfSly
Originally by: 7shining7one7
No i am not an idiot, and i was referring to your comment of the supposed sabre rattling, which is blatantly false.
No it's not.
Prove it then.
See the edit on my previous post. Armour DinnerJacket (or whatever his name is) said he wanted to wipe Israel off the face of the Earth. Does that not sound like sabre-rattling?
i guess it is my time to call you idiot then, go watch the video linked above named "zionism is NOT israel, and you could have saved all of us redundant posts because you didn't pay attention.
my previous post should then now also make sense to you, congratulations, you are now one step further towards becoming a free thinking human being.
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Lyrus Associates
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.08.02 13:54:00 -
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Ouch.
I admit my mistake - I saw the title with the word Zionism in it and thought it would be another conspiracy theory rant. And I was unaware that that quote had been mistranslated. You win this one. 
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7shining7one7
Don Rico's Massive Rainbow Storage
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Posted - 2008.08.02 13:55:00 -
[135]
Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 02/08/2008 13:55:51
no problem m8, and for the record it's not about winnning, it's about the truth, and what's best for everyone including you.
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Xen Gin
Universal Mining Inc
Forged Dominion
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Posted - 2008.08.02 21:45:00 -
[136]
Originally by: goodby4u
If I remember correctly the fire bombings killed more people(we bombed japan to hell before deciding on nuking them).
And if we would have invaded millions of japanese and americans would have perished.... Though im not saying it was the best idea ever in the long run, but you must understand that the tactics back then were much different.
An Invasion would indeed have been costly, but they could have dropped nukes in Japan territorial waters 12miles out from Kyoto. Without killing any civilians, the Japanese would have surrendered when the US threatened to nuke a city if they didn't. But what do I know, huh!?
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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.08.02 22:05:00 -
[137]
Originally by: Xen Gin
Originally by: goodby4u
If I remember correctly the fire bombings killed more people(we bombed japan to hell before deciding on nuking them).
And if we would have invaded millions of japanese and americans would have perished.... Though im not saying it was the best idea ever in the long run, but you must understand that the tactics back then were much different.
An Invasion would indeed have been costly, but they could have dropped nukes in Japan territorial waters 12miles out from Kyoto. Without killing any civilians, the Japanese would have surrendered when the US threatened to nuke a city if they didn't. But what do I know, huh!?
Indeed, but at the time we didnt care about saving civilians, the rules of angagement were different... Not to mention japan threatened to fight with every citizen including civilians.
The reason we did this was to scare japan into surrender, while we would never do it now it was quite affective.
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Xen Gin
Universal Mining Inc
Forged Dominion
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Posted - 2008.08.02 23:13:00 -
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Originally by: goodby4u
Indeed, but at the time we didnt care about saving civilians, the rules of angagement were different...
We didn't care about saving their civilians, oh how times have changed (well, probably not!)
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Alpha Prime
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.08.02 23:23:00 -
[139]
Originally by: Mark Lucius
Originally by: Reiisha
Why is Iran not reasonable? They haven't started any wars for centuries.
Indeed. Unlike the US.
I know Pyramid quoting isn't allowed. But this is the truth. USA is imo the greatest threat
in the world with G.W Bush as the puppet. I got infantry friends down in Iraq and even if
they say that they have made a diffrense, i still belive that the 'bush-administration'
is guilty of 'crime against humanity' and Bush should be held at the HAAG for it.
He lied to his fellow countrymen, he lied to his voters and he lied to the world.
There is no price on true lojalty
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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.08.02 23:50:00 -
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Edited by: goodby4u on 02/08/2008 23:50:53
Originally by: Xen Gin
Originally by: goodby4u
Indeed, but at the time we didnt care about saving civilians, the rules of angagement were different...
We didn't care about saving their civilians, oh how times have changed (well, probably not!)
Oh yeah, We totally didnt spend billions of dollars on more advanced guidence systems and weapons that civilian lessen civilian casualties....
If we didnt care about killing civilians we would still be carpet bombing, which was so much more affective at counteracting guerrila warfare.
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Captain Hudson
Caldari
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.08.03 00:34:00 -
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you know, sometimes Isreal worries me more than iran or any other crack pot middle east leader, iv got my money on isreal starting any new war
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Posted - 2008.08.03 00:35:00 -
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My dream, is that humanity unites Against, all religion, towards a common goal.
Humanity
What if all our resourses that were put into war, were put into the wellfare
of out planet and saving humanity, what a wounderful word it would be.
I constantly batter against my better self wether it would be better if the human
race to just disapear from a lethal desease or some virus. Or to give the 'selfdestructive'
human race a chanse to better itself and proove its worthiness of survival.
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If it were up to me, right this minute. I would terminate all of human race and
all of it's existance with a snap of my finghers right now.
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Humanity must re-unite. Beyond regious belives and childis belives to surevive.
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And i need to stop smoking muchrooms instead of cooking them
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F'nog
Amarr
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Celestial Industrial Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.03 04:28:00 -
[143]
Originally by: Reiisha
Originally by: F'nog
I agree that it's hypocritical that we don't want other countries to build nuclear weapons, but we're talking about Iran here. It's not the most reasonable of countries. I just don't know that their leaders realize that using a nuke anywhere is a seriously BAD idea.
That doesn't mean we should invade or attack them either, though. Negotiating is a much safer and more sensible route to take.
Why is Iran not reasonable? They haven't started any wars for centuries.
No, but if you look at their human right's record, you'll see that they're nowhere near the top. Almost anything the people on this board do every day would get us arrested and executed there without any due process. Premarital sex is punishable by the death penalty, stoning I believe.
Also, their government boats of its support for terrorists who target civilians. I don't see that as reasonable.
Plus there's their president's vow to wipe Israel off the map (a bluff, hopefully), his denial of the Holocaust, and countless other statements and threats. He's someone who likes to grab attention through his statements, but it's difficult to judge which ones are just for attention and which he really means.
Then there's the fact that it's really a theocracy ruled by zealots who would rather follow the strictest, most obscure and tangled precepts of their religion rather than working with anyone else that is the most worrisome. Plus they've come to the point that they only care about keeping their own power, not what the Qur'an and other holy texts actually say.
Not that Israel or the US are much better, but at least they make a little more sense most of the time. Plus their citizens have some say in how things work, instead of living under tyrants.
Many studies I've seen show that most Iranians don't hate the West, they even like it. But their leaders don't care about that. They only want to maintain their stranglehold on their authority, and their people can be damned for all they care. If the same could be said for the US or Israel, I'd say the same thing against them.
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F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
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Malcanis
We are Legend
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Posted - 2008.08.03 08:17:00 -
[144]
Originally by: ReaperOfSly
WTF? I said NOTHING about Zionism. Are you an idiot?
The Iranian president Armour DinnerJacket said he wanted to wipe Israel off the map. So yeah, Iran are not big fans of Israel, and it certainly sounds like sabre rattling. That's not to say they'll actually do anything about it though.
No, actually, he didn't say that. Stop repeating that lie. That's roughly on a par with me going around telling everyone that you want every muslim to die.
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Posted - 2008.08.03 08:19:00 -
[145]
Originally by: F'nog
Originally by: Reiisha
Originally by: F'nog
I agree that it's hypocritical that we don't want other countries to build nuclear weapons, but we're talking about Iran here. It's not the most reasonable of countries. I just don't know that their leaders realize that using a nuke anywhere is a seriously BAD idea.
That doesn't mean we should invade or attack them either, though. Negotiating is a much safer and more sensible route to take.
Why is Iran not reasonable? They haven't started any wars for centuries.
No, but if you look at their human right's record, you'll see that ...
...he'll see that we don't get to complain about that any more. We've abandoned whatever moral high ground we had on that issue, because we evidently don't give a toss about human rights.
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Lyrus Associates
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Posted - 2008.08.03 09:12:00 -
[146]
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: ReaperOfSly
WTF? I said NOTHING about Zionism. Are you an idiot?
The Iranian president Armour DinnerJacket said he wanted to wipe Israel off the map. So yeah, Iran are not big fans of Israel, and it certainly sounds like sabre rattling. That's not to say they'll actually do anything about it though.
No, actually, he didn't say that. Stop repeating that lie. That's roughly on a par with me going around telling everyone that you want every muslim to die.
If you read up, you'll see this line of argument has already been resolved.
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Posted - 2008.08.03 09:28:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 03/08/2008 09:32:50
It was Fox News that started that "wipe Israel off the map" translation I think. Its not at all what was said. But it sure gets the attention doesnt it...
Originally by: PanOfSpam
I hate to say it, but the only way for the U.S. to keep peace with Iran is a series of strategic nuclear strikes... on the red states. (I'm joking of course, I'd never seriously suggest the destruction of so many countless bovine lives)
OR... not trying to tell them what to do and not spread lies about them in the US media.
The average American has no idea what Iran is, all they hear is that they are the new threat to the world that the US now needs to attack.
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