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Darko Fett	Posted - 2008.07.31 00:01:00 - [1] Is it possible, and if so, profitable, to do 0.0 ratting in a T1 cruiser? Right now the only cruiser in my hangar is a Caracal, but I am training up my Gallente skills, so I could also go with a Gallente cruiser (might need to train drones some more though). What kind of fitting should I use for 0sec ratting?
Darko Fett	Posted - 2008.07.31 00:01:00 - [2] Is it possible, and if so, profitable, to do 0.0 ratting in a T1 cruiser? Right now the only cruiser in my hangar is a Caracal, but I am training up my Gallente skills, so I could also go with a Gallente cruiser (might need to train drones some more though). What kind of fitting should I use for 0sec ratting?
Annowyn Purgatorial Janitors Inc.	Posted - 2008.07.31 00:06:00 - [3] What do you plan to rat?
Annowyn Purgatorial Janitors Inc.	Posted - 2008.07.31 00:06:00 - [4] What do you plan to rat?
Darko Fett	Posted - 2008.07.31 00:17:00 - [5] Edited by: Darko Fett on 31/07/2008 00:18:18 Originally by: Annowyn What do you plan to rat? If I could make it in a Caracal, I was thinking Guristas due to the kin resists + their kin weakness. But if a particular Gallente ship really excels at it, then I could choose something else.
korrey Amarr	Posted - 2008.07.31 00:27:00 - [6] My question is, does anyone actually make money 0.0 ratting? I had more fun shooting real people, and if it weren't for my horrible sec status, I might not have to stay in 0.0... ----------- Amarr- If you like to handicap yourself before the fight begins, then we may accomodate your needs surprisingly well.
Ana Volyova Caldari Sky's Edge	Posted - 2008.07.31 10:10:00 - [7] Originally by: korrey My question is, does anyone actually make money 0.0 ratting? I had more fun shooting real people, and if it weren't for my horrible sec status, I might not have to stay in 0.0... 0.0 ratting is profitable with the use of the right ship, skills and system. Level 4's ia a joke compared to it.
Wil Smithx	Posted - 2008.07.31 10:14:00 - [8] Originally by: Ana Volyova Originally by: korrey My question is, does anyone actually make money 0.0 ratting? I had more fun shooting real people, and if it weren't for my horrible sec status, I might not have to stay in 0.0... 0.0 ratting is profitable with the use of the right ship, skills and system. Level 4's ia a joke compared to it. I wouldnt say that, I can get more isk/hour on missions than anybody in my corp can ratting drones
Dreadmuppet Four	Posted - 2008.07.31 10:17:00 - [9] I did some ratting of guristas in 0.0 in a thorax and it was a bit of a struggle I have to say.
Hoody	Posted - 2008.07.31 11:49:00 - [10] Ruptures used to be able to handle serp's pretty easily

Red zeon Caldari Shades Corp The OSS	Posted - 2008.07.31 11:57:00 - [11] profits, ofc.. i ratted alot in deep 00. with drake, if its a good chained system, i made often like 8mil in 1 cyckle, (when the bounty is calculated) and thats with drake, but that requires lot of skills in missiles, and you need to mwd close upp fast so the defender missiles get knocked off the count. but 20mil in 1h is doable if its chained in drake and you got the time for it.
General Paul League of Disgruntled Fast Food Employees	Posted - 2008.07.31 11:59:00 - [12] Try useing a blaster Harpy, fairly cheap can tank and can kill BS respectably. Caracal will struggle to do damage enough imo
Jak Sparra	Posted - 2008.07.31 12:05:00 - [13] I used to rat alot in Querious (0.0), but only in a Dominix, I found the profitable spawns ie Dark Blood Pope's etc.. would normally be 3 battle ships with maybe a couple of cruisers as support. They deal to much damage for a cruiser to handle, i used a 4xhardner 2xLAR Domi setup with a couple of rails and or NOS and relied on my tech II ogers to be my DPS The Pope would vary in bounty from about 1 mil upto 7 mil or so, but would be rare. The loot they droped would be random aswell, sometimes youd get just a dark blood crystal, and sometimes youd get Dark blood armour harders and sometimes the odd web and stuff. I'd spend hours jumping from belt to belt then system to system looking for decent spawns, most spawns were not worth much, and the normal blood ships drop normal boring loot, so your gonna fill your cargo hold with crap pretty quick. Plus I was part of an Allaince at the time so it was fairly safe, but even then i still got ganked by a pack of HACs when i was not paying attention to local. Now i've left the Alliance I'm making a lot more isk doing level 4 missions in 0.9 security space, with a quality 18 agent. I just made about 30mill (from bounty/loot/salvage/reward) on Worlds Collide. So in my honest opinion, I dont think its worth ratting in 0.0 especially if your only taking a cruiser as you wont have the DPS to take down the money making spawns. Plus you WILL lose you ship ie. Me and others in the alliance would often get together in hunting packs of AF's, Inty's and HAC's and go looking for ratters that had gotten past our gate camps.
Dr Sheepbringer	Posted - 2008.07.31 12:08:00 - [14] Yes, you can rat with it. I was actually ratting with a assault frig. You can't attack everyone, but it works. Slow, but works. It was quite profitable, but the most annoying thing was cargo space. You can also gang up with your friends and they take the big rats and you take the small ones (without breaking the chains of course). But just to make sure, I've also going back with a BC to save time and isk. Bullets cost money and frigs are nice to pvp, but the marging of error while ratting is very very small. One mistake and you're in world of trouble (damps + scramming and things go bad very very fast). Just be carefull.
Gartel Reiman Civis Romanus Sum TRUST Coalition	Posted - 2008.07.31 12:19:00 - [15] Originally by: Dr Sheepbringer Yes, you can rat with it. I was actually ratting with a assault frig. You can't attack everyone, but it works. Slow, but works. It was quite profitable, but the most annoying thing was cargo space. Yeah, I've done 0.0 ratting in a T1 cruiser (Arbitrator) and found that this was pretty much the case. It's easy enough not to get popped yourself by the rats, but your damage output is painfully slow. It might be better with a gankier setup, but I'd say it's almost certainly worth getting a BC (even the tier 1 version), as you'll make the extra initial outlay back pretty quickly with the extra speed you can down the rats.
Bruce Deorum Minmatar Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.31 12:31:00 - [16] U must be joking ratting in a t1 cruiser. Not that u cant tank, or u cant kill, but geezz, it will take ages taking down a triple BS spawn (assuming u can tank it of course) With decent spawns i can make about 15m/hour, but with a t2 fitted BS. Everything else just slows u down to the point that u would make more money by recycling modules...
Dreadmuppet Four	Posted - 2008.07.31 14:40:00 - [17] I find a ganky diemos the fastest
Dr Sheepbringer	Posted - 2008.07.31 14:46:00 - [18] But learning the ways of 0.0 and ratting with a T1 cruiser etc. and blowing it up is muchos cheaper than to pop a BS as a 0.0 virgin. Bigger the ship, the better it goes for ratting. You have more cargo, more margin for error, more damage and you need less ammo! Ammo if you can find it costs millions in 0.0 and with a time consuming ship (read small) it takes too many reloads. I loved those "oh crap oh crap oh crap!!!" moments when ratting with the AS :) Sometimes it was the rats, sometimes it was neutrals, sometimes it was the reds. Excitement!
Darko Fett	Posted - 2008.07.31 15:06:00 - [19] Originally by: Dr Sheepbringer But learning the ways of 0.0 and ratting with a T1 cruiser etc. and blowing it up is muchos cheaper than to pop a BS as a 0.0 virgin. Bigger the ship, the better it goes for ratting. You have more cargo, more margin for error, more damage and you need less ammo! Ammo if you can find it costs millions in 0.0 and with a time consuming ship (read small) it takes too many reloads. I loved those "oh crap oh crap oh crap!!!" moments when ratting with the AS :) Sometimes it was the rats, sometimes it was neutrals, sometimes it was the reds. Excitement! This was my main concern. Since I'm a 0.0 newb, I didn't want to take a raven out there to get popped at a gatecamp on the way or lose it to pirates/rats. I tried to find a guide on 0.0 ratting before I posted, but there's not a good resource. I'm getting the feeling that there's really no point to 0.0 ratting when you can do L4s with no risk and the same if not better isk.
Wil Smithx	Posted - 2008.07.31 15:12:00 - [20] Originally by: Bruce Deorum U must be joking ratting in a t1 cruiser. Not that u cant tank, or u cant kill, but geezz, it will take ages taking down a triple BS spawn (assuming u can tank it of course) With decent spawns i can make about 15m/hour, but with a t2 fitted BS. Everything else just slows u down to the point that u would make more money by recycling modules... LOL thats low isk, in drone region can push 30 mill an hour with good chains but our alliance is screwed atm so I just make 20 - 30mill an hour on missions instead. lol

Dr Sheepbringer	Posted - 2008.07.31 15:18:00 - [21] Yes, lvl4's are crappy compared to good chained 0.0 belt. PROOOFitable! Plus it's not THAT dangerous...as long you keep out from HEL :) Just learn to watch the local and intel channels. If not...well then you die. I personally think that low sec is much more dangerous than 0.0.
P'uck	Posted - 2008.07.31 15:19:00 - [22] Originally by: Darko Fett I'm getting the feeling that there's really no point to 0.0 ratting when you can do L4s with no risk and the same if not better isk. I doubt you can get close with lvl4s. You can bring so much more gank to the belts... If the belts are hogged all the time, and you have downtime on that killing, meh, maybe, but if you have a juicy system for your own, you can rake in the cash like it's going out of fashion. And since EvE PvE is mindumbing anyway, I much prefer this "gank 3 bs, rinse repeat" approach. Like "bloodsport" was a good action movie: no pretend plot, just pure beat em up We dont need bad actors screwing it up with their talking.
JS LiamElms Gallente Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.31 15:21:00 - [23] 15 to 20mil an hour... chaining, with good spawns. Find a nice -0.9/-0.8 in an NPC owned region, a true -1.0 system is always popular and busy... so the lesser ones are better. Being in an npc region often produces more officer spawns, which tbh is what you should go for. then wait/kill/wait/kill till you get one of the big 20mil bountys... then you can total up to 600mil and up for the day! picking up commander mods simply rocks! but for a crusier hull, deimos for gurista's... infact that ship is best period for gurista's
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.07.31 15:26:00 - [24] Originally by: P'uck Originally by: Darko Fett I'm getting the feeling that there's really no point to 0.0 ratting when you can do L4s with no risk and the same if not better isk. I doubt you can get close with lvl4s. You can bring so much more gank to the belts... If the belts are hogged all the time, and you have downtime on that killing, meh, maybe, but if you have a juicy system for your own, you can rake in the cash like it's going out of fashion. And since EvE PvE is mindumbing anyway, I much prefer this "gank 3 bs, rinse repeat" approach. Like "bloodsport" was a good action movie: no pretend plot, just pure beat em up We dont need bad actors screwing it up with their talking. I don't know. I've ratted and done level 4s extensively (dualbox), and missions seem to rake in more isk. It's comparable sure when you count faction items/hauler spawns, but you actually have to watch local and be aware that you're ratting. In level 4s I set my double reppers going, let my drones out, and f1-f8 on my other character while reading the forums. I'd be hard pressed to get more than about 40/hr with two chars in belts. It's about the same reward for level 4s, but no risk. No competition either.
Bruce Deorum Minmatar Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.31 15:28:00 - [25] Originally by: Wil Smithx Originally by: Bruce Deorum U must be joking ratting in a t1 cruiser. Not that u cant tank, or u cant kill, but geezz, it will take ages taking down a triple BS spawn (assuming u can tank it of course) With decent spawns i can make about 15m/hour, but with a t2 fitted BS. Everything else just slows u down to the point that u would make more money by recycling modules... LOL thats low isk, in drone region can push 30 mill an hour with good chains but our alliance is screwed atm so I just make 20 - 30mill an hour on missions instead. lol Yes i know. If chain is good, it might reach 20mil but not more. Of course there is always the possibility of a Faction Spawn... I guess Guristas are tough Rats. I have seen Blood Rats, ,and they are much more easy... (EMP ammo nails them... :-P, Sabot on guristas is simply ok)
Dr Sheepbringer	Posted - 2008.07.31 15:30:00 - [26] Quote: It's comparable sure when you count faction items/hauler spawns, but you actually have to watch local and be aware that you're ratting. In level 4s I set my double reppers going, let my drones out, and f1-f8 on my other character while reading the forums. It's about the same reward for level 4s, but no risk. No competition either. Don't forget to mention that it's bloody boring too. If you are reading the forums while playing...then you are doing something wrong
Raeff Body Count Inc. The Requiem	Posted - 2008.07.31 15:52:00 - [27] Edited by: Raeff on 31/07/2008 15:53:39 Edited by: Raeff on 31/07/2008 15:52:27 my advice after spending pretty much 90% of the last 3 years in 0.0 is.. a) take a fast frig and cheap clone(alt and a shuttle works better) and scout potential areas for pvp threats b) npc space is always a good place to start(curse/fountain/stain/delve/etc..) so you have places to drop loot and refit c) when you find a good spot and if it has npc stations near and fairly easily accessible, nano up your ratting ship with a mwd+nanofibers+istabs etc.(never ever move in full slow npc fit) and move it to the last system before 0.0 d) move your clone to that station if your scout is your main character e) take whatever scout you made and jump into the 0.0 entrance system and make sure its not camped .. if its clear, jump back and grab your NANOd npc ship and start moving your butt asap before someone decides to camp that 0.0 entry f) refit in npc station in 0.0 to npc fit and start ratting if theres no npc station where you decided to go, then, well, pray, and good luck!
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.07.31 15:54:00 - [28] Originally by: Dr Sheepbringer Don't forget to mention that it's bloody boring too. If you are reading the forums while playing...then you are doing something wrong All forms of isk making are boring to me... even exploration. I do it for isk, not for fun.
Haradgrim Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2008.07.31 19:29:00 - [29] Originally by: Raeff Edited by: Raeff on 31/07/2008 15:56:30 my advice after spending pretty much 90% of the last 3 years in 0.0 is.. a) take a fast frig and cheap clone(alt and a shuttle works better) and scout potential areas for pvp threats b) npc space is always a good place to start(curse/fountain/stain/delve/etc..) so you have places to drop loot and refit c) when you find a good spot and if it has npc stations near and fairly easily accessible, nano up your ratting ship with a mwd+nanofibers+istabs etc.(never ever move in full slow npc fit) and move it to the last system before 0.0 d) move your clone to that station if your scout is your main character e) take whatever scout you made and jump into the 0.0 entrance system and make sure its not camped .. if its clear, jump back and grab your NANOd npc ship and start moving your butt asap before someone decides to camp that 0.0 entry f) refit in npc station in 0.0 to npc fit and start ratting if theres no npc station where you decided to go, then, well, pray, and good luck! drake is a good fairly cheap ratting ship if you dont want to take a lumbering battleship .. i prefer the more expensive ishtar however This should be required reading for all new players..... -- Originally by: CCP Oveur ...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed

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