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D3MoRaLiZ3
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Posted - 2008.07.31 01:36:00 -
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Recently, due to hot weather at home my laptop seems to be passing out due to too much heat when on eve. Now ive only been playing eve for 2 months and havnt played around with any of the settings. I dont know whether its best to play with premium or classic content both seem to generate the same heat. Would a cooling system work? Or can any1 with similar problems post any other solutions.
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Odre Echee
Equestrian Knight Order of Lolicon
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Posted - 2008.07.31 03:36:00 -
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 Originally by: D3MoRaLiZ3
Recently, due to hot weather at home my laptop seems to be passing out due to too much heat when on eve. Now ive only been playing eve for 2 months and havnt played around with any of the settings. I dont know whether its best to play with premium or classic content both seem to generate the same heat. Would a cooling system work? Or can any1 with similar problems post any other solutions.
Laptop components more or less can take hotter temperatures and still function, but your worry and fear is not baseless, though when things are packed together that closely together, without so much ventillation, temperature issue really would always be there.
Your solutions may range from downloading a (third-party) tool to adjust your fanspeed. For example, on a Dell laptop, you can use this to adjust the fanspeed, and, say, crank it up high. I hear one of those USB-powered cooling bases for laptops work beautifully, though I never really did like it (can anybody else say, 'battery' plx?). I understand that one may not have air conditioning at home (I know I don't), but they may help. That's what I did for my laptop, at least.
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nutbar
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Posted - 2008.07.31 05:42:00 -
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Wow, that's some of the worst information ever.
Laptops can't take heat "better" and still work. A microchip is a microchip is a microchip. Same crap in a desktop vs a laptop except the laptop devices are usually made to require less power (and should generate less heat). In fact, since they take less power the power conduits are usually thinner, and as a result should be MORE susceptible to heat causing damage.
Hot temperatures and a 3d intensive game such as EVE is not a good mix. change in graphics settings will have very little affect on overall heat, though going from extreme to low will help your video card a bit. The best thing though is don't block the intake/exhaust on your laptop. Don't put it on your lap or a bed - a hard flat surface is where it should be placed (if you want it on your lap, get a cutting board or something to sit it on). Those "fan trays" or whatever can be used as well and *MAY* help if the fans push/pull air in the right spots. No point blowing room temp air on a piece of plastic - it should blow air in to the intake, and suck air out the exhaust to work best.
Other than that, get some air conditioning or play in a walk-in fridge. Try a big fan pointed at you and the laptop to give it extra air flow.
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Odre Echee
Equestrian Knight Order of Lolicon
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Posted - 2008.07.31 07:34:00 -
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Originally by: nutbar
Wow, that's some of the worst information ever.
Laptops can't take heat "better" and still work. A microchip is a microchip is a microchip. Same crap in a desktop vs a laptop except the laptop devices are usually made to require less power (and should generate less heat). In fact, since they take less power the power conduits are usually thinner, and as a result should be MORE susceptible to heat causing damage.
If you look at it, maximum operating temperature for the chips tends to be higher for laptops. 60'C or so for CPU in a tower is borderline lethal by today's standards, but a laptop still will more or less happily chug along.
You assume I said they are designed to take and operate in hotter temperatures, when I merely said they will still function, regardless of whether it's healthy for it or not.
Ass.
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RaTTuS
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Posted - 2008.07.31 09:04:00 -
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in eve -
esc | display and graphics | advanced | present interval = 1
this will make it run cooler as it will not render unnecessary frames
Laptops are just as sussecptable to heat damage as any other thing
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Odre Echee
Equestrian Knight Order of Lolicon
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Posted - 2008.07.31 09:25:00 -
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Originally by: RaTTuS
Laptops are just as sussecptable to heat damage as any other thing
and they will continue to operate at higher temperatures, and often, higher temperatures than what can be found on normal desktops and towers, which, I am saying, is bad.
Ugh. I give up.
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Siania
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Posted - 2008.07.31 12:06:00 -
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Edited by: Siania on 31/07/2008 12:06:54
Hi,
I too use a gaming laptop and used to have a problem with temperatures. You can simply prop the back of the laptop up slighty to allow more air to be sucked in and out.
I ended up buying this:
Laptop Cooler
Si
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nutbar
Caldari
Flair Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.01 03:37:00 -
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Originally by: Odre Echee
Originally by: RaTTuS
Laptops are just as sussecptable to heat damage as any other thing
and they will continue to operate at higher temperatures, and often, higher temperatures than what can be found on normal desktops and towers, which, I am saying, is bad.
Ugh. I give up.
I was bored - I checked Intels specs on their mobile and desktop CPUs. The desktop CPU docs mention temps going up to 74deg celcius, and the mobile ones mention a maximum of 100 deg. celcius. Two things to note here before you think you're right. The desktop CPU temps are read on the OUTSIDE of the chip, on the metal casing in the middle. The mobile CPUs do not have a metal casing like the desktop chips, and the temp of the mobile chips is being read by an INTERNAL heat diode, so it will read higher temperatures than the desktop chips. Also, the mobile chips are slower in processing speeds than the desktop chips, which means that a faster desktop CPU will react sooner to the same temp as a slower mobile CPU.
There is nothing, however, in either document that stated the mobile CPUs were *designed* to operate at higher temperatures. Both desktop and mobile will operate at equal temperatures given identical specs on the CPU itself. The mobile CPUs will auto-throttle themselves back as heat markers are hit as your temperature increases. At 74deg celcius, your mobile CPU most likely won't be that much more powerful than a Ti85 calculator, and I bet Windows has already crashed before you even get that temperature.
Back to why I said your info was poor - you do not tell a person "oh, it's fine, your laptop was designed for that", because once you do, the user now increases their expectation for tolerance. The OP would think "oh, well if that's the case now I'm really ****ed that my laptop can't operate properly!", when the correct train of thought would be "I should be looking in to cooling this thing off better so that it doesn't overheat". You obviously have never been a PC repair technician, or you would have never spouted that info to someone with heat problems.
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RaTTuS
BIG
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Posted - 2008.08.01 07:55:00 -
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to keep you laptop cooler try doing
this
it will work
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Odre Echee
Equestrian Knight Order of Lolicon
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Posted - 2008.08.01 13:43:00 -
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Originally by: nutbar
I was bored - I checked Intels specs on their mobile and desktop CPUs. The desktop CPU docs mention temps going up to 74deg celcius, and the mobile ones mention a maximum of 100 deg. celcius. Two things to note here before you think you're right. The desktop CPU temps are read on the OUTSIDE of the chip, on the metal casing in the middle. The mobile CPUs do not have a metal casing like the desktop chips, and the temp of the mobile chips is being read by an INTERNAL heat diode, so it will read higher temperatures than the desktop chips. Also, the mobile chips are slower in processing speeds than the desktop chips, which means that a faster desktop CPU will react sooner to the same temp as a slower mobile CPU.
There is nothing, however, in either document that stated the mobile CPUs were *designed* to operate at higher temperatures. Both desktop and mobile will operate at equal temperatures given identical specs on the CPU itself. The mobile CPUs will auto-throttle themselves back as heat markers are hit as your temperature increases. At 74deg celcius, your mobile CPU most likely won't be that much more powerful than a Ti85 calculator, and I bet Windows has already crashed before you even get that temperature.
Back to why I said your info was poor - you do not tell a person "oh, it's fine, your laptop was designed for that", because once you do, the user now increases their expectation for tolerance. The OP would think "oh, well if that's the case now I'm really ****ed that my laptop can't operate properly!", when the correct train of thought would be "I should be looking in to cooling this thing off better so that it doesn't overheat". You obviously have never been a PC repair technician, or you would have never spouted that info to someone with heat problems.
There are many desktop processors that use internal diode things, as well as programs to read it, like CoreTemp.
You also seem to think I said anything about how they are 'designed' to take more heat, when all I have said - and will say - is it can go 'hotter' and still function, which is not incorrect.
I sure as hell ain't overglorified 'PC Repair Technician' (which is akin to calling a cleaner, say, 'Sanitation Engineer') but I sure as hell worked as interpreter in Small Claims Court. I know what happens to hapless people who give out crappy advices, but if people 'misinterpret' what I say, or extrapolate upon it more than they should, it's not my problem nor is it my fault.
Reading problems. People have them.
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Materia Hunter
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Posted - 2008.08.01 16:10:00 -
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Originally by: Odre Echee
60'C or so for CPU in a tower is borderline lethal by today's standards
How you have the audacity call someone an "ass" and yet get the most basic information about a processor wrong is shocking 
There is simply no need to be so rude. This isn't the WoW forums 
Here is a scientific journal about the core2duo and temperature. To quote it:
Quote:
In the above example the current die temperature is at
60oC. The thresholds set to 5oC above and below the
current temperature. If the temperature rises above 65oC,
an interrupt is generated, notifying the S/W of a
significant change in temperature. The control software
reads the temperature and identifies the new temperature
and initiates action if needed. In the above example, 65oC
requires activating a fan at a low speed.
Yep, thats right, the processor is in a "lethal" damage range according to you, so the fan gets turned on low by Intel.
In addition, to quote the datasheet at: http://developer.intel.com/design/core2duo/documentation.htm for desktops
Quote:
In the event of a catastrophic cooling failure, the processor will
automatically shut down when the silicon has reached a
temperature approximately 20 ŚC above the maximum TC.
Assertion of THERMTRIP# (Thermal Trip) indicates the processor
junction temperature has reached a level beyond where permanent
silicon damage may occur. Upon assertion of THERMTRIP#, the
processor will shut off its internal clocks (thus, halting program
execution) in an attempt to reduce the processor junction
temperature. To protect the processor, its core voltage (VCC) must
be removed following the assertion of THERMTRIP#.
Meaning that damaging the processor is very very difficult from heat, and certainly not the 60 Dgree's you claiming.
In addition, if you look at the datasheet, page 81 - The Intel Core2Duo Desktop processor E4000 will output a heat level of around 73.3 Degrees Celsius when consuming 65 Watts of power. Oh and that's the 'Tc' measurement, meaning that its from the CPUs packaging as shown on page 84 of the same datasheet. The internal Diode of the CPU will be much higher.
So with all due respect, lets not start throwing incorrect figures around when they are freely available on the CPU manufacturers website 
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Astria Tiphareth
Caldari
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.08.01 18:02:00 -
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Originally by: RaTTuS
in eve -
esc | display and graphics | advanced | present interval = 1
this will make it run cooler as it will not render unnecessary frames
This is extraordinarily important, and I still don't see why EVE doesn't ship with it set like this by default. It caps your frame-rate by enabling v-sync - people don't like to do this in FPS games, but EVE doesn't need quite the same twitch response, so it's fine to do so. Typically on an LCD you'll get a refresh rate of 60Hz, and thus capping at 60 fps, more than adequate for the human eye.
Conversely, turned off, this means EVE tries to go as fast as possible, rendering as many frames as it can, meaning your GPU is going to be pushed to the limit. Not a good idea. Check your fan speeds, check your temperatures, check them against the manufacturers specifications. Note that the later Nvidia drivers allow you to control the fan speed manually if you prefer, and if nothing else you can max it out and see whether that solves the cooling problem.
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Odre Echee
Equestrian Knight Order of Lolicon
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Posted - 2008.08.02 08:40:00 -
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Originally by: Materia Hunter
stuff, avoiding quote-cascade
Ass is hardly a rude comment, let alone insulting one. I don't know where you grew up in, perhaps we both have differing opinion of what it may connotate, but if I wanted to be rude, I would be downright trolling to point of forum-ban, not engaging in something that may be taken as a 'discussion' depending on your definition of it.
Anyway, okay, what if fan was already operating at higher-speed and it still was at 60'C? Do all Intel processors have the HSF package with fans turned off, or at low speeds? AMD ones also are said to be (or so said TomsHardware) more vulnerable and easily damaged from heat, and it hasn't changed. You could keep the HSF off Intel, and it still would chug along fine, but with AMD, the thing would die, according to this... review or article I read... somewhere. I think it was TomsHardware.
Now, I can't navigate the new TomsHardware to save my life, but there was this 'testing' that was done a few years ago (they tested both Intel and AMD processors without HSF solutions, or maybe it was 'inadequoate' cooling solutions, or whatever) which resulted in every single (or almost) Intel processor surviving the process, but pretty much every single AMD one die out. Tried to find it again, but all I found was this. Maybe that one I'm thinking of wasn't done by TomsHardware at all, though I'm fairly sure, but regardless - assuming that every processor out there operates (heat and everything-wise) like Intel is a big, big assumption.
You also have missed my point, which was "laptops can get hotter (with implications of - 'it may look fine, but probably is not', and people seem to lean towards 'it runs hotter, it's fine' instead) but I'm starting to derail this further than I should.
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nutbar
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Posted - 2008.08.04 07:38:00 -
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Originally by: Odre Echee
Ass is hardly a rude comment, let alone insulting one.
It is when you don't know the person and it's typed on a forum which loses all potential sarcastic tone which might have been present should it have been spoken.
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Zhu Wei
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Posted - 2008.08.04 07:57:00 -
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Edited by: Zhu Wei on 04/08/2008 07:58:05
Originally by: nutbar
Don't put it on your lap
If you are a guy, don't put the laptop on your lap as you may kill your little swimmers...
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achoura
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Posted - 2008.08.04 10:07:00 -
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Originally by: RaTTuS
in eve -
esc | display and graphics | advanced | present interval = 1
this will make it run cooler as it will not render unnecessary frames
Laptops are just as sussecptable to heat damage as any other thing
As people have explained multiple times in other threads rat just switching it on is not the golden answer. Vsync does not simply "not render unnecessary frames" it just cut it in half, then half again each time it drops below 50% - vsync needs triple buffering to cap fps.
Laptops on the other hand are engineered with their cooling in mind, the ventilation is built in. If your laptop is seriously overheating the first thing i would have done would be visiting the place it was bought/made.
You might just find out it's eve though, may whish t read through this.
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