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Krystal Demishy
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Posted - 2008.07.31 10:55:00 -
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My free time allow me to play only before DownTime.
So i start a missions but then while i'm doing it, the DT come above me and i'm not able to accomplish the objective.
Ok, i say, no problem, i'll end it tomorrow (i'll lose the bonus btw).
Then the day after i discover that the mission have been reset: all the enemies are there again.
I try to complete it in time, but once again the DT do not allow me to do it.
This happen with almost all the missions i try.
So many times the time expired and i've lost the mission.
Why missions need to be reset after DT?
I know someone love it 'couse they can farm missions this way and make way more money then the bonus offered by the agent, expecially the macro farmer.
Is there a possibile solution for me? 
Thank you.
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Zaknussem
Caldari
The Ironbreakers
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Posted - 2008.07.31 10:59:00 -
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Sadly, no. In order of feasibility, your options are:
# Don't do missions.
# Re-schedule your free time.
# Move to another time zone.
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Garia666
Amarr
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
White Core
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Posted - 2008.07.31 11:00:00 -
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never heard this one before.. lets see how this one goes..
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RaTTuS
BIG
Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2008.07.31 11:01:00 -
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1) Start earlier
2) kill faster
3) get a buddie to help you kill
4) do other types of missions
5) play after DT
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Malcanis
We are Legend
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Posted - 2008.07.31 11:02:00 -
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How long are you taking? Very few level 4s take me more than an hour... maybe GE 4 with bonus room.
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Krystal Demishy
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Posted - 2008.07.31 11:04:00 -
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Unfortunately I can not do any of those, but thanks for the replies.
I hope to hear a dev comment at this point.
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Frug
Repo Industries
R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2008.07.31 11:07:00 -
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 Originally by: Krystal Demishy
Unfortunately I can not do any of those, but thanks for the replies.
I hope to hear a dev comment at this point.
And say what?
You're pretty much asking for them to move downtime for you, which ain't gonna happen.
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Wild Rho
Amarr
Silent Core
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Posted - 2008.07.31 11:08:00 -
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What do you think a dev will say? Your situation is unfortunate but CCP are not going to mess up scheduled maintenance work just to suit your personal circumstances.
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justsometrader
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Posted - 2008.07.31 11:09:00 -
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"Dear Krystal Demishy, we are going to change the downtime to a time more convincing to you and your mission experience. Sicne there are only 200.000 customers we clearly have to take into account your (and only your) freetime and will adapt the game corresponding to it"
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RaTTuS
BIG
Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2008.07.31 11:15:00 -
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Originally by: RaTTuS
2) kill faster
3) get a buddie to help you kill
4) do other types of missions
you can do those and ...
mission always reset - it would be too much to keep everything running all the time
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McDonALTs
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Posted - 2008.07.31 11:16:00 -
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Originally by: Wild Rho
What do you think a dev will say? Your situation is unfortunate but CCP are not going to mess up scheduled maintenance work just to suit your personal circumstances.
Did you read the bit where the OP said
"Why missions need to be reset after DT?"
Where did the OP ask CCP to change wholescale Timezones? The Op asked a sensible question and presented a solution.
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Krystal Demishy
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Posted - 2008.07.31 11:18:00 -
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McDonALTs thank you.
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Wild Rho
Amarr
Silent Core
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Posted - 2008.07.31 11:24:00 -
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Edited by: Wild Rho on 31/07/2008 11:24:35
Originally by: McDonALTs
Originally by: Wild Rho
What do you think a dev will say? Your situation is unfortunate but CCP are not going to mess up scheduled maintenance work just to suit your personal circumstances.
Did you read the bit where the OP said
"Why missions need to be reset after DT?"
Where did the OP ask CCP to change wholescale Timezones? The Op asked a sensible question and presented a solution.
Ok I'll concede I didn't read it properly so sorry about that 
As for missions I assume its because instances of active npcs are not stored in the database but rather in the memory of the servers so when the servers are reset that memory is cleared. The only option afterwards is to reset the mission or not respawn the npcs.
Edit: As for a solution there isn't really one, this is just how it is.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.07.31 12:02:00 -
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Originally by: Krystal Demishy
My free time allow me to play only before DownTime.
So i start a missions but then while i'm doing it, the DT come above me and i'm not able to accomplish the objective.
Ok, i say, no problem, i'll end it tomorrow (i'll lose the bonus btw).
Then the day after i discover that the mission have been reset: all the enemies are there again.
I try to complete it in time, but once again the DT do not allow me to do it.
This happen with almost all the missions i try.
So many times the time expired and i've lost the mission.
Why missions need to be reset after DT?
I know someone love it 'couse they can farm missions this way and make way more money then the bonus offered by the agent, expecially the macro farmer.
Is there a possibile solution for me?
Thank you.
A possible solution (even if not so nice) is to downgrade the level of missions you do, so you can complete them in the available time.
If, on the average, you can do a level 4 mission in 1 hour 20 minutes, you can probably do a level 3 in 30 minutes, so having the time to complete it.
Another solution is to be very picky with the mission you accept, Duo of death, for example is very fast.
Third solution is to accept kill mission where you need to kill only some specific trigger, build a ship done primarily to deal damage instead of soaking it and kill only the ships needed to complete the mission.
Then avoid missions with "slowing down" mechanisms, i.e. guristas missions (the jamming will block you a lot of time), missions with several gates requiring you to slowboat 70 km, and so on.
Last, try to find someone in a similar situation and see if you can do missions together. Maybe a Australian based corp can be a good solution.
About why the DT reset of missions: it sometime is useful, but only for a very limited range of missions.
In all honesty the only missions where I see that making a difference with today missions is for the mining missions if you somehow loose some of the mineral before completing it (only possible if NPC or PC kill a loaded mining drone or if you lose your ship). I can't recall any other mission where losing the target item will be corrected by the DT reset, as killing the ship with the target item normally trigger the "mission completed" message and DT will not reset the mission, so if you lose it the mission is failed.
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Sannah Ur
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Posted - 2008.07.31 12:26:00 -
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The reason for the reset is pretty simple and technical; CCP don't want to have to store the location and attributes of every single NPC in the game in the database. NPC locations are in-memory in the server and not persisted to the database since the benefits of doing so don't outweigh the costs.
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Rutger Centemus
Gallente
Joint Empire Squad
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Posted - 2008.07.31 12:39:00 -
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I think the main reason for the reset at downtime has been stated - it's (a lot) easier to just save the missiontype in the database, than it would be to save everything within and about it.
As I'm not able to log in (at work atm  ), I can't check but the following question arises: are you a newer player (no flame meant) or somewhere where there's no 'Daylight Savings' - time? This, because of the way Eve's "clock" works: it's "GMT in winter" (also referred to by some as 'UTC'). Wait until autumn or whenever you're location gets back to 'wintertime', and you should have an extra hour before downtime hits you.
Generally, it would seem you're a bit unlucky. I don't know how long missions take you, but as a general hint: taking hours to finish a mission generally isn't more profitable ISK / hour - wise than doing lower-level missions you can finish a lot faster. Try it (if possible), skill-up for better tanking, more damage and speed, or try your hand at other missions / other things...
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McDonALTs
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Posted - 2008.07.31 12:47:00 -
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Originally by: Sannah Ur
The reason for the reset is pretty simple and technical; CCP don't want to have to store the location and attributes of every single NPC in the game in the database. NPC locations are in-memory in the server and not persisted to the database since the benefits of doing so don't outweigh the costs.
Nope Incorrect. Their is no technical impossiblity reason why they cannot set all mission as complete once it is flagged like they do with some lvl4's. Must be due to the design of some missions especially old ones which date back to the "DT resets even complex's" days.
DT no longer remvoes cargo cans and wrecks thus your theory is incorrect. Saving NPC locations is pretty simple to dump and then the servers can load them up just like they do for NPC wrecks.
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Sannah Ur
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Posted - 2008.07.31 13:13:00 -
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Originally by: McDonALTs
Nope Incorrect. Their is no technical impossiblity reason why they cannot set all mission as complete once it is flagged like they do with some lvl4's. Must be due to the design of some missions especially old ones which date back to the "DT resets even complex's" days.
DT no longer remvoes cargo cans and wrecks thus your theory is incorrect. Saving NPC locations is pretty simple to dump and then the servers can load them up just like they do for NPC wrecks.
I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm saying the benefits doesn't outweigh the costs (it's a lot of information and there's no real benefit).
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OneSock
Crown Industries
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Posted - 2008.07.31 14:45:00 -
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One feature request that pops up from time to time is Shorter Lv4 missions. I'm not talking easier as in lev3. Just less NPCs per mission. Something that will give you a quick blast of action for 30mins. Maybe with slightly tougher NPCs, rather than waves after waves and better designed so single deadspace, no slowboating between gates etc.
I think this would solve the OPs problem
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Aiko Intaki
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Posted - 2008.07.31 16:49:00 -
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If you already would have time bookending downtime to finish a mission were downtime not to reset your mission, why not just change the order you run your missions in? Start your missions immediately after downtime and play for as long as you have time for, then finish it off later before downtime when you have time again to play.
Basically, instead of starting before downtime and trying to finish afterward - start after downtime and try to finish before. You avoid the downtime reset that way.
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Pwett
Minmatar
QUANT Corp.
QUANT Hegemony
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Posted - 2008.07.31 18:24:00 -
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Originally by: McDonALTs
Saving NPC locations is pretty simple to dump and then the servers can load them up just like they do for NPC wrecks.
Weren't aware you worked on the Trinity Database.
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krelak
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Posted - 2008.07.31 20:24:00 -
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Have you tried running missions in a fleet? My brother and I mow through missions in no time at all where it might take me an hour to do solo. This has the added advantage of allowing you to do missions which (presumably) you are not currently able to do due to low standings.
Once your standings are higher and you're able to get level 4 missions yourself you could either continue to fleet them or go solo and just farm the mission repeatedly throughout the week.
If you don't have any friends to fleet with I'd suggest joining a corp. It's a good way to get that extra support that you need.
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Thiassi Uth'Matar
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.01 01:51:00 -
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When I first started doing lvl 4 missions I would sometime run into this problem as my total playing time between resets, and total damage I could do, did not allow me to finish the missions. I have since trained and changed my ship configuration to do more DPS and can now do 2 - 3 lvl 4 missions (and salvage them) per day easily.
If you can't get it done during the week then get up early (before the wife in my case) on the weekend and do it.
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v00d003
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Posted - 2008.08.01 03:21:00 -
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google "eve survival guide", and learn how to blitz those missions.
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Adeena Torcfist
Caldari
Dark Underground Forces
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Posted - 2008.08.01 08:32:00 -
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contact me in game or via eve mail, i maybe able to help u out
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