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1200 baud
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Posted - 2008.08.01 16:02:00 -
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So I'm wondering if I should sell it now, or buy another?
Will the upcoming changes have an impact which will nerf this ship, or make it a star?
Please discuss. Dance like it hurts, Love like you need money, Work when people are watching. - Scott Adams |
AstroPhobic
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.08.01 16:10:00 -
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I'd say it will be worth less than an abaddon, at least combat wise.
I base this on nothing.
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thisismyalt
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Posted - 2008.08.01 17:06:00 -
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It would still be the fastest battleship in game. What thats worth can probably be discovered on SISI.
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AstroPhobic
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.08.01 17:08:00 -
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Originally by: thisismyalt It would still be the fastest battleship in game. What thats worth can probably be discovered on SISI.
The guy who had his mach nerfed from 17.5k/s to under 4k/s can probably tell you. It's nothing. 4k/s with HG snakes, overloaded deaspace gear, etc. With no tank (there is no tank when you go that fast), you die.
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thisismyalt
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Posted - 2008.08.01 17:13:00 -
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Originally by: AstroPhobic
Originally by: thisismyalt It would still be the fastest battleship in game. What thats worth can probably be discovered on SISI.
The guy who had his mach nerfed from 17.5k/s to under 4k/s can probably tell you. It's nothing. 4k/s with HG snakes, overloaded deaspace gear, etc. With no tank (there is no tank when you go that fast), you die.
Thats sad - they should at least give mach an extra speed bonus, It is unique, enough to get it to 8-9k, make you work to have to kill it.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.08.01 17:34:00 -
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Originally by: AstroPhobic
Originally by: thisismyalt It would still be the fastest battleship in game. What thats worth can probably be discovered on SISI.
The guy who had his mach nerfed from 17.5k/s to under 4k/s can probably tell you. It's nothing. 4k/s with HG snakes, overloaded deaspace gear, etc. With no tank (there is no tank when you go that fast), you die.
right, but if you are putting that many speed mods on you are getting so much stacking nerf that you should be able to do 3.9 and have somewhat of a tank
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Esmenet
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.01 17:36:00 -
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Sell it asap and hope you find a buyer. Vote against the nano nerf! |
Myra2007
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.08.01 17:58:00 -
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Edited by: Myra2007 on 01/08/2008 17:58:51 Sell it. Probably there are still many mission runners around who will pay a decent price just based on the looks.
edit: i mean you can tank it too but might just get a cheaper bs for that too
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Sorted
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.08.01 18:44:00 -
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Edited by: Sorted on 01/08/2008 18:44:18
Originally by: AstroPhobic
Originally by: thisismyalt It would still be the fastest battleship in game. What thats worth can probably be discovered on SISI.
The guy who had his mach nerfed from 17.5k/s to under 4k/s can probably tell you. It's nothing. 4k/s with HG snakes, overloaded deaspace gear, etc. With no tank (there is no tank when you go that fast), you die.
You can kinda fit a half assd tank, XL SB + Invun...
and 22kms to 4.4kms on mine...
its worthless. Vote against the nano nerf! http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=832371
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Tarminic
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.08.01 18:57:00 -
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Has anyone actually tested their fits in combat on sisi? ---------------- Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.83 (Updated 7/3) |
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z0de
Gallente The Bastards
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Posted - 2008.08.01 19:08:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic Has anyone actually tested their fits in combat on sisi?
No. No one has gone to the test server and no one has had a fight on it ever, once this guy logged on but then he left.
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1200 baud
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Posted - 2008.08.01 19:27:00 -
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So the concensus seems to be that it is no longer the great pvp BS that it once was. Even though everything else is also slow, it now just falls to being an expensive hangar queen?
Sigh. Dance like it hurts, Love like you need money, Work when people are watching. - Scott Adams |
Esmenet
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.01 19:33:00 -
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Originally by: 1200 baud So the concensus seems to be that it is no longer the great pvp BS that it once was. Even though everything else is also slow, it now just falls to being an expensive hangar queen?
Sigh.
Imo it never was that great, except for bumping. But after this change with a speedfit at least it will be just an expensive explosion. Vote against the nano nerf! |
Spaztick
Canadian Imperial Armaments EVESpace
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Posted - 2008.08.01 19:33:00 -
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I can get a tempest to go faster. Heck speed tanking a tempest with shield buffer tank would be the way to go against missile boats and even blaster megas. But seriously, more people should have some type of spacer in their sigs to show it's not part of the post. |
Keitaro Baka
Babylon Scientific and Industrial Enterprises Babylon Project
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Posted - 2008.08.01 20:24:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic Has anyone actually tested their fits in combat on sisi?
800mm AC, med nos/neut (:() mwd, scramble, web, 2x med injector 2x LAR, dcu, 3x eanm, gyro tank rigs
it's not bad and still pretty fast, but a tempest gives about the same result
All the stuff above does not necessarily reflect my corp, my alliance or even me.. Drone guide.. |
McDonALTs
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Posted - 2008.08.01 20:30:00 -
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Originally by: 1200 baud So the concensus seems to be that it is no longer the great pvp BS that it once was. Even though everything else is also slow, it now just falls to being an expensive hangar queen?
Sigh.
Great PvP BS?
Nanomach jumps in with you and you drop a bubble on the other side. It uncloaks and MWD's at 15-20k/sec way and before you could lock it with Sensor boosted rapier, it was around 150km away sniping at you. Crappy tactics like these destroyed pvp.
It is still a great pvp ship. Not a GOD MODE one anymore
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RuleoftheBone
Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.01 20:31:00 -
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Who actually cares?
Seriously...I have seen 3 on combat ops in the last 2 years (and thats a TON of engagements).
-One I barely evaded while flying a Vagabond. -One was a fellow pilot in gang who flew it for whatever reason. -Third was busted out of a mission and killed rather easily (by a Rapier, Arazu, and covops).
Silly 17km/s+ BS's like this are a RARITY in reality. And yet everyone brings them up as a part-justification for beating up on bog-standard T2 speed fits.
Just be quiet and enjoy your flying kick-me-harder sign.
"Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
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khosta
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Posted - 2008.08.01 20:43:00 -
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Originally by: AstroPhobic
The guy who had his mach nerfed from 17.5k/s to under 4k/s can probably tell you. It's nothing. 4k/s with HG snakes, overloaded deaspace gear, etc. With no tank (there is no tank when you go that fast), you die.
By going 4k/s you will evade torpedo damage completely, large turrets wont hit close range, large drones cant go that fast, and so cruiser class weapons are needed to hit you. This is speed tanking at work as intended.
Lowering damage, not avoiding it.
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Liam Fremen
Insurgent New Eden Tribe Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2008.08.01 20:44:00 -
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I have a 17+km/s machariel on TQ, Snake set, Gist x mwd, 4x domi overdrive etc...
I used it only for bumping capitals from undock point (40-50km bump when hitting well)
I'm very sad that i will go at 3.3km/s or so after patch... some billions wasted.... -- "may you rest in peace now, brave souls of Hueromont. . . Curse you, Caldari . . . may I take as many of you with me that I can!" Admiral Noir, Gallente Federation |
AstroPhobic
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.08.01 20:49:00 -
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Originally by: khosta
Originally by: AstroPhobic
The guy who had his mach nerfed from 17.5k/s to under 4k/s can probably tell you. It's nothing. 4k/s with HG snakes, overloaded deaspace gear, etc. With no tank (there is no tank when you go that fast), you die.
By going 4k/s you will evade torpedo damage completely, large turrets wont hit close range, large drones cant go that fast, and so cruiser class weapons are needed to hit you. This is speed tanking at work as intended.
Lowering damage, not avoiding it.
Or two t1 frigates/inties catch and web you, and then you get obliterated.
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Grace Fall
Roast Beef Double Swiss Transport
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Posted - 2008.08.01 21:26:00 -
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Originally by: khosta By going 4k/s you will evade torpedo damage completely, large turrets wont hit close range, large drones cant go that fast, and so cruiser class weapons are needed to hit you. This is speed tanking at work as intended.
Lowering damage, not avoiding it.
You forget that to get 4km/s it has to be overheated (with a claymore in gang), which means it can only speed tank for maybe a minute before destroying it's midslots. If it could do 4km/s before overheat and claymore then I'd say that's fine and dandy.
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Sorted
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.08.02 12:24:00 -
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Originally by: Liam Fremen
I have a 17+km/s machariel on TQ, Snake set, Gist x mwd, 4x domi overdrive etc...
I used it only for bumping capitals from undock point (40-50km bump when hitting well)
I'm very sad that i will go at 3.3km/s or so after patch... some billions wasted....
You'll go over 4k with gang
but yeah.. Same. Vote against the nano nerf! http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=832371
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2008.08.02 13:08:00 -
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Sell it or use it for missions only.
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Originally by: Roguehalo Can you nano Titans?
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.08.03 05:23:00 -
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TBH if those cloverfields whos designed the speed nerf in the first place also did something about dock undock games/ invulnerable station cynoing caps etcetcetc then people wouldn't need to be designing bizaree bumper ships to knock them off the station in the first place.
SKUNK
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Sorted
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.08.03 10:34:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Sell it or use it for missions only.
/me spits on the floor at your feet Jim
I have never, nor will ever run a mission.
also: I have never seen speed tanked mission ship
Also: Who would want to buy a supercar with no wheels, no one would buy it unless the speculated a reverse to the changes at a later date.
I would like an alternative mode of bumping Jump frieghters/carriers off stations tho; as they can slip past all gate camps using a covops, cyno in, dock, undock, warp to undock insta and zip off to hisec. (or in the case of smart carrier pilots switch to an istabbed blockade runner - but dont even get me started on them.....) Dont suggest empire wars, as they are impotent at this point in the game. Vote against the nano nerf! http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=832371
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Dendo Ordoss
Personal Vendetta Vendetta Alliance.
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Posted - 2008.08.03 10:41:00 -
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ill take it off your hands for 400mill
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Joss Sparq
Caldari ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.03 11:19:00 -
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Originally by: Dendo Ordoss ill take it off your hands for 400mill
Dude, you're getting ripped off! /
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Red Thunder
Most Wanted INC G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.08.03 16:19:00 -
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machariel is a waste of isk now
Eagles may soar, but weasels dont get sucked into jet engines |
Vector Aeon
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Posted - 2008.08.05 10:04:00 -
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Originally by: AstroPhobic
Originally by: khosta
Originally by: AstroPhobic
The guy who had his mach nerfed from 17.5k/s to under 4k/s can probably tell you. It's nothing. 4k/s with HG snakes, overloaded deaspace gear, etc. With no tank (there is no tank when you go that fast), you die.
By going 4k/s you will evade torpedo damage completely, large turrets wont hit close range, large drones cant go that fast, and so cruiser class weapons are needed to hit you. This is speed tanking at work as intended.
Lowering damage, not avoiding it.
Or two t1 frigates/inties catch and web you, and then you get obliterated.
this.
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Kaleeb
UK1 Zero G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.08.05 12:14:00 -
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Originally by: khosta
By going 4k/s you will evade torpedo damage completely, large turrets wont hit close range, large drones cant go that fast, and so cruiser class weapons are needed to hit you. This is speed tanking at work as intended.
Lowering damage, not avoiding it.
Shock horror you could always fit Precision Cruise or bring a buddy with a web... I know I know the poor Caldari player will need to change his ratting setup, honestly my heart bleeds.
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