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Mark Lucius
Kinetic Vector
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Posted - 2008.08.04 13:12:00 -
[91]
Originally by: Father Dibbles
Let me guess... you don't smoke right?
What gave it away?  ---
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Father Dibbles
Drunks And Addicts Combined Intruders.
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Posted - 2008.08.04 13:16:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Mark Lucius
Originally by: Father Dibbles
Let me guess... you don't smoke right?
What gave it away? 
Pity, with flame like yours! Handy in those where-is-my-freking-light situations
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Mark Lucius
Kinetic Vector
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Posted - 2008.08.04 13:26:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Father Dibbles Pity, with flame like yours! Handy in those where-is-my-freking-light situations
Maybe his smoke got caught in your eyes, but I responded to Fabien Aldric in his own fiery tone. ---
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Fabien Aldric
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.08.04 13:36:00 -
[94]
Edited by: Fabien Aldric on 04/08/2008 13:38:18
Quote: the public doesn't want to put up with your stink anymore
What about the hobos, ******es, drunkards and hippies then? They arguably smell a lot worse than smokers, and I don't see any of you liberal ***gots hurrying to get them off public places. Also, Negroes (this is not a racist term, look it up in any dictionary, and it's a lot more accurate than calling them "Black" or "African-American", since I'm not talking about the ones in America here nor do they necessarily have any African ancestry) smell like shit, but for some reason noone has a problem with them. Bunch of liberal ****ing bigots. You preach tolerance, yet you hate those with a different lifestyle than yours (in this case, heterosexuals and smokers) for no apparent reason.
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Mark Lucius
Kinetic Vector
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Posted - 2008.08.04 13:46:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Fabien Aldric What about the hobos, ******es, drunkards and hippies then? They arguably smell a lot worse than smokers, and I don't see any of you liberal ***gots hurrying to get them off public places.
What's with this obsession for hobos, ******es, drunkards and hippies? If you don't like their smell, start a lobby to have them removed from public places. I am sure you little girl scouts can pull that off if you get your socialist heads out of your asses. ---
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Father Dibbles
Drunks And Addicts Combined Intruders.
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Posted - 2008.08.04 13:47:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Mark Lucius
Originally by: Father Dibbles Pity, with flame like yours! Handy in those where-is-my-freking-light situations
Maybe his smoke got caught in your eyes, but I responded to Fabien Aldric in his own fiery tone.
Quite so my friend; he is a little wet behind the ears but I fear he is already experiencing the animosity a 'minority' receive from the public both at present, and in historical past over such ...well.... essentially trivial things. As much as he is contributing to giving smokers a bad name, similarly some non-smokers responses in the thread do the exact same thing but from an opposite angle. What people do with their own lives is up to them; I condone smoking around other people, and do not myself out of respect for other people around me - but..... Fabien will realise in time, have faith brother.
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sakana
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.04 13:49:00 -
[97]
it says on the packet that it gives you cancer etc, if someone wants to take the risk and smoke then thats their right.

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Amandin Adouin
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Posted - 2008.08.04 13:50:00 -
[98]
Edited by: Amandin Adouin on 04/08/2008 13:55:29
Originally by: Fabien Aldric ... Bunch of liberal ****ing bigots. You preach tolerance, yet you hate those with a different lifestyle than yours (in this case, heterosexuals and smokers) for no apparent reason.
You're confusing liberals with conservative fascists who identify with the wrong side of the aisle. True liberals value personal freedom above all else.
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Pwett
Minmatar QUANT Corp. QUANT Hegemony
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Posted - 2008.08.04 15:38:00 -
[99]
Let people make their own damn decisions.
That said, that makes me want to smoke more. What's the point of dying with two perfectly useable lungs? When I die, I want to have used 100% of all my organs. Otherwise, I feel like I'm just wasting them. _______________ Pwett CEO, Founder, & Executor <Q> QUANT Hegemony
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Gneeznow
Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.04 15:39:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Pwett Let people make their own damn decisions.
That said, that makes me want to smoke more. What's the point of dying with two perfectly useable lungs? When I die, I want to have used 100% of all my organs. Otherwise, I feel like I'm just wasting them.
there is a russian saying my friend told me ...
''the man who never drinks and smokes dies very healthy''
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Pwett
Minmatar QUANT Corp. QUANT Hegemony
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Posted - 2008.08.04 15:39:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Amandin Adouin
True liberals value personal freedom above all else.
Not in the US, btw. In the US a 'liberal' is about one half-step away from national socialism. _______________ Pwett CEO, Founder, & Executor <Q> QUANT Hegemony
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Isiskhan
Gnostic Misanthropy
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Posted - 2008.08.04 15:51:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Amandin Adouin
Originally by: Fabien Aldric ... Bunch of liberal ****ing bigots. You preach tolerance, yet you hate those with a different lifestyle than yours (in this case, heterosexuals and smokers) for no apparent reason.
You're confusing liberals with conservative fascists who identify with the wrong side of the aisle. True liberals value personal freedom above all else.
Don't mind Fabien, he's the forums resident professional troll. We keep him chained in his cage on a strict diet of /b/ (that's gay midget pron for compulsive fappers, if you're unfamiliar with the term), and he's released now and then to unleash his build-up bile like a syphilitic dog whenever OOPE needs some seasoning.
Some argue that good trolling requires subtlety, that the best trolls are those that go unnoticed. But Fabien belongs to the other school of trolling, making up for his lack of subtlety with a single-minded focus, dedication and passion for his job that puts all of our casual trolling attempts to shame.
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Amandin Adouin
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Posted - 2008.08.04 15:57:00 -
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Edited by: Amandin Adouin on 04/08/2008 15:57:34
Originally by: Amandin Adouin
True liberals value personal freedom above all else.
Originally by: Pwett Not in the US, btw. In the US a 'liberal' is about one half-step away from national socialism.
I am in the US. And that's bullshit if I've ever heard it. Wtf is wrong with Socialism anyway? The rich sharing some of their billions with the poor so that every one can have basic healthcare and food? What exactly is wrong with that?
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Don't mind Fabien, he's the forums resident professional troll. We keep him chained in his cage on a strict diet of /b/ (that's gay midget pron for compulsive fappers, if you're unfamiliar with the term), and he's released now and then to unleash his build-up bile like a syphilitic dog whenever OOPE needs some seasoning. Some argue that good trolling requires subtlety, that the best trolls are those that go unnoticed. But Fabien belongs to the other school of trolling, making up for his lack of subtlety with a single-minded focus, dedication and passion for his job that puts all of our casual trolling attempts to shame.
lol, I'll remember not to feed him in the future ... maybe he'll starve. 
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Pwett
Minmatar QUANT Corp. QUANT Hegemony
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Posted - 2008.08.04 16:04:00 -
[104]
Edited by: Pwett on 04/08/2008 16:04:36
Originally by: Amandin Adouin
I am in the US. And that's bullshit if I've ever heard it. Wtf is wrong with Socialism anyway? The rich sharing some of their billions with the poor so that every one can have basic healthcare and food? What exactly is wrong with that?
Because you're not giving the rich the choice to choose whether or not they want to share their billions. This is, of course, antithetical to "True liberals value personal freedom above all else."
If one values personal liberty, then they do not value government intervention in their life. Wealth redistribution doesn't make the poor richer, it only makes the rich poorer and it has the secondary effect of making EVERYONE dependant on the government. Does that makes sense to you? If it doesn't, read 'Atlas Shrugged' That should spell it out for you.
edit: formatting
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Fabien Aldric
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.08.04 16:19:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Amandin Adouin Edited by: Amandin Adouin on 04/08/2008 13:55:29
Originally by: Fabien Aldric ... Bunch of liberal ****ing bigots. You preach tolerance, yet you hate those with a different lifestyle than yours (in this case, heterosexuals and smokers) for no apparent reason.
You're confusing liberals with conservative fascists who identify with the wrong side of the aisle. True liberals value personal freedom above all else.
Wrong, libertarians are the ones who value personal freedom. Liberals are just butthurt equality***s who still reserve the right to passionately hate anyone who disagrees with them.
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Amandin Adouin
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Posted - 2008.08.04 16:34:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Pwett Edited by: Pwett on 04/08/2008 16:04:36
Originally by: Amandin Adouin
I am in the US. And that's bullshit if I've ever heard it. Wtf is wrong with Socialism anyway? The rich sharing some of their billions with the poor so that every one can have basic healthcare and food? What exactly is wrong with that?
Because you're not giving the rich the choice to choose whether or not they want to share their billions. This is, of course, antithetical to "True liberals value personal freedom above all else."
If one values personal liberty, then they do not value government intervention in their life. Wealth redistribution doesn't make the poor richer, it only makes the rich poorer and it has the secondary effect of making EVERYONE dependant on the government. Does that makes sense to you? If it doesn't, read 'Atlas Shrugged' That should spell it out for you.
edit: formatting
A socialist democracy is not an oxymoron. The dictionary definition of democracy is "government by the people in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents under a free electoral system." Or as Abe Lincoln out it "of the people, by the people, and for the people." That's all the people, not a select group of wealthy Republicans with enough money and power to hold sway over the largest superpower left on the planet. I think socialism actually fits pretty well in that definition, where all the wealth and power is redistributed to everyone. Also your statement: "Wealth redistributi doesn't make the poor richer, it only makes the rich poorer and it has the secondary effect of making EVERYONE dependant on the government" is completely and utterly false. You should research the Scandinavian countries to see how socialism really works - every one there is happy, healthy and lives extremely well. The Nordic countries actually consistently have the highest standards of living in the world. Your opinion is so typical of American ignorance.
And I never said I was a "true liberal", I said I was a socialist. (better call McCarthy! )
Oh and I'm quite familiar with Objectivism. Ayn Rand was such an ardent anti-liberal because she was born in Russia; she developed these opinions at an early age being dissillusioned by the way her family was treated. I can completely see how she came to be the person she was, it was a form of backlash, combined with getting caught up in the anti-commie bandwagon sweeping the U.S. at the time. These are different times now, and we don't need to think of extremes such as the U.S.S.R. Let's look to Finland, Sweden, Norway... and see what true freedom really is (the freedom to take 2 vacations a year, not dying because you can't pay your medical expenses, getting an education on par with private school systems in the U.S... all while having complete and utter freedom to say and do whatever you want to.) That is freedom.
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Plumpy McPudding
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Posted - 2008.08.04 16:36:00 -
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Does Socialism work? Power in the hands of the commoner usually doesn't work because people don't know what the **** they are doing or know what they want.
   Am i wrong to think this?!?!?!?!?!!? __________________________
Fear me for I have an insatiable appetite! Proprietor and inventor of Chocolate Chip Chocolate Donut flavored Ice Cream. |

Amandin Adouin
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Posted - 2008.08.04 16:46:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Plumpy McPudding Does Socialism work? Power in the hands of the commoner usually doesn't work because people don't know what the **** they are doing or know what they want.
   Am i wrong to think this?!?!?!?!?!!?
Yes, socialism absolutely works. Like I said above, please see the Nordic countries (and Canada) who consistently have the highest standards of living in the world.
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Isiskhan
Gnostic Misanthropy
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Posted - 2008.08.04 16:50:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Amandin Adouin And I never said I was a "true liberal", I said I was a socialist. (better call McCarthy! )
You just mentioned the taboo word for quite a few of the folks on this forum. It provokes on these particular subjects an acute allergic reaction that raises blood pressure, stimulates excessive mouth-foaming, and interferes with basic reasoning skills.
Grab your freshly popped corn, a litany of colorful responses to that post is about to ensue 
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Slanty McGarglefist
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Posted - 2008.08.04 16:50:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Amandin Adouin
Originally by: Plumpy McPudding Does Socialism work? Power in the hands of the commoner usually doesn't work because people don't know what the **** they are doing or know what they want.
   Am i wrong to think this?!?!?!?!?!!?
Yes, socialism absolutely works. Like I said above, please see the Nordic countries (and Canada) who consistently have the highest standards of living in the world.
Do you believe that Socialism devalues the individual? Since it makes people incapable of choosing their own values, as decisions are made centrally. __________________________________________________
Originally by: CCP Wrangler No
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YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2008.08.04 16:51:00 -
[111]
Edited by: YouGotRipped on 04/08/2008 16:54:15
Nice derailment. I definitely want whatever you people have been smoking lately.

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Eran Laude
Gallente Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.08.04 16:55:00 -
[112]
Socialol
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Pwett
Minmatar QUANT Corp. QUANT Hegemony
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Posted - 2008.08.04 16:57:00 -
[113]
Again, you take away the rich's incentive to be rich and everyone suffers. My argument is not about socialism regardless; my argument is that American liberals, as a political organization, do not believe in liberty.
American Liberals believe in the nanny state. Libertarians or constitutional conservatives believe in limited government, how the two go about that differs, but they are fundamentally the same. _______________ Pwett CEO, Founder, & Executor <Q> QUANT Hegemony
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Amandin Adouin
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Posted - 2008.08.04 16:57:00 -
[114]
Edited by: Amandin Adouin on 04/08/2008 16:58:32
Originally by: Slanty McGarglefist Do you believe that Socialism devalues the individual? Since it makes people incapable of choosing their own values, as decisions are made centrally.
You're British, right Slanty? Let me let you in on a little secret. In the U.S. decisions are still made centrally, with just as much, if not more devaluation of the individual. Please remember that we have an electoral voting college. Our actual votes don't even count. If they're not thrown away, such as happened in the 2000 election in Florida (where I live).
Edit: I'm actually at work right now and I really need to get back to work. I'll keep checking in on a periodic basis, but I can't keep up with a full flown argument right now (after 5:00, it's a date ).
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Slanty McGarglefist
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Posted - 2008.08.04 16:59:00 -
[115]
Edited by: Slanty McGarglefist on 04/08/2008 16:59:20
Originally by: Amandin Adouin
Originally by: Slanty McGarglefist Do you believe that Socialism devalues the individual? Since it makes people incapable of choosing their own values, as decisions are made centrally.
You're British, right Slanty? Let me let you in on a little secret. In the U.S. decisions are still made centrally, with just as much, if not more devaluation of the individual. Please remember that we have an electoral voting college. Our actual votes don't even count. If they're not thrown away, such as happened in the 2000 election in Florida (where I live).
I'm actually American, born and raised, and I am copying and pasting the criticisms of Socialism from Wikipedia.
Edit - Because I am extremely bored at work. __________________________________________________
Originally by: CCP Wrangler No
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YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2008.08.04 17:07:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Slanty McGarglefist
I'm actually American, born and raised, and I am copying and pasting the criticisms of Socialism from Wikipedia.
Edit - Because I am extremely bored at work.
hahah

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altikon
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Posted - 2008.08.04 17:16:00 -
[117]
I cant reply fast enough to keep up with this. anyway, ill just be a few posts late 
I dont personally believe in socialism because I dont think people deserve an equal lot in life.
1. some people are lazy and shouldnt get propped up by people who arn't 2. some people are naturally feckless/stupid and to care/support/help these people is just encouraging the spread of feckless and stupid people across society 3. life isn't fair, the sooner you accept this and start trying to make it unfair in your favour, the better your quality of life will be, i think everyone has a talent, and if you sit *****ing about what the "other guy" has, then you are wasting the life you have where you could be developing your own thing...
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2008.08.04 18:07:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Pwett Edited by: Pwett on 04/08/2008 16:04:36
Originally by: Amandin Adouin
I am in the US. And that's bullshit if I've ever heard it. Wtf is wrong with Socialism anyway? The rich sharing some of their billions with the poor so that every one can have basic healthcare and food? What exactly is wrong with that?
Because you're not giving the rich the choice to choose whether or not they want to share their billions. This is, of course, antithetical to "True liberals value personal freedom above all else."
If one values personal liberty, then they do not value government intervention in their life. Wealth redistribution doesn't make the poor richer, it only makes the rich poorer and it has the secondary effect of making EVERYONE dependant on the government. Does that makes sense to you? If it doesn't, read 'Atlas Shrugged' That should spell it out for you.
edit: formatting
That despicable woman was dropped on her head once too often as a child, nothing she says have any relevance in the world.
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Pwett
Minmatar QUANT Corp. QUANT Hegemony
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Posted - 2008.08.04 18:12:00 -
[119]
ah yes, attack the person but don't debate the content. That's a win/win situation. _______________ Pwett CEO, Founder, & Executor <Q> QUANT Hegemony
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Fabien Aldric
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.08.04 18:18:00 -
[120]
Well I thought all non-smokers should be killed by stuffing cigs in their mouth GENTLEMEN-style, so I whistled for a cab and when it came near the Licensplate said fresh and had a dice in the mirror If anything I could say that this cab was rare But I thought now forget it, yo home to bel-air I pulled up to a house about seven or eight And I yelled to the cabby yo, home smell you later Looked at my kingdom I was finally there To settle my throne as the prince of bel-air
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