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Jim McGregor	Posted - 2008.08.03 10:48:00 - [1] I cant decide which 24" screen I want to buy. Anyone have a Samsung Syncmaster 2493HM? Looks like a decent choice on paper. --- Originally by: Roguehalo Can you nano Titans?
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2008.08.03 10:48:00 - [2] I cant decide which 24" screen I want to buy. Anyone have a Samsung Syncmaster 2493HM? Looks like a decent choice on paper. --- Originally by: Roguehalo Can you nano Titans?
Mr Friendly	Posted - 2008.08.03 11:35:00 - [3] I have the 245bw... it looks like the 2439hm is the same panel, but with a bump up in the contrast ratio and a hdmi port. I can attest to the colour and contrast quality of the 245. It's superb for a TN panel. You could do much worse than a Samsung, tbh.
AlleyKat Gallente White-Noise	Posted - 2008.08.03 12:14:00 - [4] Edited by: AlleyKat on 03/08/2008 12:17:16 Linkage It's the cats conkers. EVE-ONLINE VIDEO-MAKING TUTORIALS
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2008.08.03 14:52:00 - [5] Originally by: AlleyKat Edited by: AlleyKat on 03/08/2008 12:17:16 Linkage It's the cats conkers. What I like about this one is that it has a 8 bit panel. Seems all the new low cost TN monitors have only 6 bit panels to get a better refresh rate at the cost of colors. I also like that it has a HDCP compliant HDMI port despite its 2 year age. Im tempted, but its pricy compared to the Samsung. 6260 SEK instead of 4280 SEK for the Samsung. This is because of the 8 bit panel I guess since Benq usually is much cheaper than the Samsung. --- Originally by: Roguehalo Can you nano Titans?
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.08.03 15:05:00 - [6] 245T can connect to most video-outputting devices known to man. - DesuSigs
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2008.08.03 15:38:00 - [7] Originally by: AlleyKat Edited by: AlleyKat on 03/08/2008 12:17:16 Linkage Funny...I was going to suggest that one too (I think it is cheaper now than that review suggests...worth checking). Syncmaster 2493HM is a TN panel so beware. As such, in a screen that size, you can get color shifting just glancing around the screen because the viewing angles on a TN panel are not good. This is reported by many users but some say they cannot discern this (I can provide cites if you want). On a 26" I bet most would. Further, TN panels are 6-bit color. If you are into photo editing you will likely find that unacceptable. Also seems their stated 10,000:1 contrast ratio might be a bit exaggerated. Not that it is not good whatever it is but not 10,000:1. All that said I have to say it looks like one of the nicer TN displays I have seen. If not the BenQ above I'd recommend the Lenovo L220X (it's what I have and I love it). Yes it is only a 22" monitor BUT it is the only 22" monitor with a 1920x1200 resolution. That gives it the exact same display area as a 24" monitor (same amount of stuff on screen as a 24" or even 26"...just in a smaller space). This also means the pixel pitch is smaller resulting in a sharper image. Additionally it is an S-PVA panel so 8-bit color. At 6ms response time it is plenty fast for games and I have never noticed any ghosting or seen it reported. The stand is also great doing all the things it should: swivel, height adjustment and rotate for a portrait view. Only real downside is an almost criminal lack of connections (only VGA and DVI although the DVI is HDCP compliant so Blu-Ray and such will work and a HDMI--> DVI adapter is cheap and there is zero image quality loss doing that...just a minor extra hassle). In my case that is no biggie and I personally doubt a console would look any good on such panels anyway. Leave the console for the TV it was built for. -------------------------------------------------- "Of course," said my grandfather, pulling a gun from his belt as he stepped from the Time Machine, "there's no paradox if I shoot you!"
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2008.08.03 15:49:00 - [8] Originally by: Imperator Jora'h Originally by: AlleyKat Edited by: AlleyKat on 03/08/2008 12:17:16 Linkage Funny...I was going to suggest that one too (I think it is cheaper now than that review suggests...worth checking). Syncmaster 2493HM is a TN panel so beware. As such, in a screen that size, you can get color shifting just glancing around the screen because the viewing angles on a TN panel are not good. This is reported by many users but some say they cannot discern this (I can provide cites if you want). On a 26" I bet most would. Further, TN panels are 6-bit color. If you are into photo editing you will likely find that unacceptable. Also seems their stated 10,000:1 contrast ratio might be a bit exaggerated. Not that it is not good whatever it is but not 10,000:1. All that said I have to say it looks like one of the nicer TN displays I have seen. If not the BenQ above I'd recommend the Lenovo L220X (it's what I have and I love it). Yes it is only a 22" monitor BUT it is the only 22" monitor with a 1920x1200 resolution. That gives it the exact same display area as a 24" monitor (same amount of stuff on screen as a 24" or even 26"...just in a smaller space). This also means the pixel pitch is smaller resulting in a sharper image. Additionally it is an S-PVA panel so 8-bit color. At 6ms response time it is plenty fast for games and I have never noticed any ghosting or seen it reported. The stand is also great doing all the things it should: swivel, height adjustment and rotate for a portrait view. Only real downside is an almost criminal lack of connections (only VGA and DVI although the DVI is HDCP compliant so Blu-Ray and such will work and a HDMI--> DVI adapter is cheap and there is zero image quality loss doing that...just a minor extra hassle). In my case that is no biggie and I personally doubt a console would look any good on such panels anyway. Leave the console for the TV it was built for. Thanks Jora'h, Im getting more and more tempted... the Benq has a P-MVA panel it seems, do you know the difference to a S-PVA panel? --- Originally by: Roguehalo Can you nano Titans?
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2008.08.03 16:19:00 - [9] Originally by: Jim McGregor Thanks Jora'h, Im getting more and more tempted... the Benq has a P-MVA panel it seems, do you know the difference to a S-PVA panel? Probably just easiest to have you read this article on the different panel types. It is a little technical but not too bad or too long. In short though the PVA technology is considered and improvement over MVA technology which is a bit older. Each panel type (TN, MVA, PVA, IPS) have their good and bad points and which to choose depends a lot on what you want to use it for. That said many of the major shortcomings of MVA/PVA (mainly miserable response times) have been corrected in the P-MVA/S-PVA tech making them suitable for things like gaming (so my Lenovo 6ms response time is quite sufficient and no one could tell the difference on that spec vs. a faster 2ms TN panel). TN panel's main strength today is they are inexpensive in comparison. Note in the article linked above they mention PVA panel stated contrast ratios are probably the only ones you can rely on as other tech tends to overstate their contrast ratios. If you REALLY want to geek out on panel tech view this page from 3M. They have a lengthy animated tutorial complete with audio explanations. Yes, very geeky, yes completely unnecessary to buy a monitor but pretty cool nonetheless. -------------------------------------------------- "Of course," said my grandfather, pulling a gun from his belt as he stepped from the Time Machine, "there's no paradox if I shoot you!"
sakana North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.08.03 16:50:00 - [10] i have the samsung, i like it a lot. my bro also uses one for xbox360 and it works great for that too.

AlleyKat Gallente White-Noise	Posted - 2008.08.03 17:13:00 - [11] Edited by: AlleyKat on 03/08/2008 17:13:56 You get what you pay for. As other have said, steer clear of TN screens. 6 bit? The industry should be pushing 10 bit screens onto us! Mine is a delight under all circumstances, and I cannot fault the response times. Cheap screens are horrid. Anyway, here is a picture of mine - be aware this is a 26MB photo. Linkage Not a very good shot by me, but gives you an idea of the EVE interface and how much 'real estate' you get with a 24" at 1900x1200. AK. EVE-ONLINE VIDEO-MAKING TUTORIALS
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2008.08.03 17:51:00 - [12] Originally by: AlleyKat gives you an idea of the EVE interface and how much 'real estate' you get with a 24" at 1900x1200. Yeah, thats what I want. Looks awesome. --- Originally by: Roguehalo Can you nano Titans?
NightmareX MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2008.08.03 19:10:00 - [13] If you have the money, then this one is a really nice LCD-screen: Dell Ultrasharp 2408WFP
Glarion Garnier Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.08.03 19:50:00 - [14] Edited by: Glarion Garnier on 03/08/2008 19:51:09 Eizo FlexScan HD2442W This could be the best there is during this year. I wish there was some tests on it allready !! product details _________________________________ -be vary of the men behind the curtain-
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2008.08.03 21:01:00 - [15] Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 03/08/2008 21:04:09 Originally by: Glarion Garnier Edited by: Glarion Garnier on 03/08/2008 19:51:09 Eizo FlexScan HD2442W This could be the best there is during this year. I wish there was some tests on it allready !! product details Damn...well there you go. Jim found his answer. I looked closely at Eizo when I was buying but they catered to the professional end of the market and their displays were not suitable for me. But THAT is the display I was hoping for! I am thrilled with mine and content but more the timing of it all. Always my luck. That said I would like to see a test of it too. Actual performance often tells a different story than you see on paper. Also be aware Eizo is the Rolls Royce of flat panel displays and are not cheap. That also means they are more likely to match in testing what they write down on paper which is a good thing. I suspect that display will shine in tests if I had to bet. This being aimed squarely at gamers may make them be a bit more normal in their pricing but I still doubt it will be inexpensive (worth a premium though if it is as good as it sounds). -------------------------------------------------- "Of course," said my grandfather, pulling a gun from his belt as he stepped from the Time Machine, "there's no paradox if I shoot you!"
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2008.08.04 16:48:00 - [16] Originally by: Imperator Jora'h Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 03/08/2008 21:04:09 Originally by: Glarion Garnier Edited by: Glarion Garnier on 03/08/2008 19:51:09 Eizo FlexScan HD2442W This could be the best there is during this year. I wish there was some tests on it allready !! product details Damn...well there you go. Jim found his answer. I looked closely at Eizo when I was buying but they catered to the professional end of the market and their displays were not suitable for me. But THAT is the display I was hoping for! I am thrilled with mine and content but more the timing of it all. Always my luck. That said I would like to see a test of it too. Actual performance often tells a different story than you see on paper. Also be aware Eizo is the Rolls Royce of flat panel displays and are not cheap. That also means they are more likely to match in testing what they write down on paper which is a good thing. I suspect that display will shine in tests if I had to bet. This being aimed squarely at gamers may make them be a bit more normal in their pricing but I still doubt it will be inexpensive (worth a premium though if it is as good as it sounds). Looks very nice but Im pretty sure it will cost at least twice what the Samsung costs. Then again, we only live once dont we... I will wait for some reviews. Very good to know about this monitor. --- Originally by: Roguehalo Can you nano Titans?
Mazzarins Demise Profit Development and Research Association	Posted - 2008.08.04 16:53:00 - [17] I just bought the 245bw yesterday. 400 bucks. After reading many reviews on it, I hear it's killer.
Pwett Minmatar QUANT Corp. QUANT Hegemony	Posted - 2008.08.04 17:00:00 - [18] I haven't tried the 24" Samsung syncmaster, but we have the 22" Samsungs here at the office and they are consistently failing on us. _______________ Pwett CEO, Founder, & Executor <Q> QUANT Hegemony
Mr Friendly	Posted - 2008.08.04 23:19:00 - [19] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Imperator Jora'h Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 03/08/2008 21:04:09 Originally by: Glarion Garnier Edited by: Glarion Garnier on 03/08/2008 19:51:09 Eizo FlexScan HD2442W This could be the best there is during this year. I wish there was some tests on it allready !! product details Damn...well there you go. Jim found his answer. I looked closely at Eizo when I was buying but they catered to the professional end of the market and their displays were not suitable for me. But THAT is the display I was hoping for! I am thrilled with mine and content but more the timing of it all. Always my luck. That said I would like to see a test of it too. Actual performance often tells a different story than you see on paper. Also be aware Eizo is the Rolls Royce of flat panel displays and are not cheap. That also means they are more likely to match in testing what they write down on paper which is a good thing. I suspect that display will shine in tests if I had to bet. This being aimed squarely at gamers may make them be a bit more normal in their pricing but I still doubt it will be inexpensive (worth a premium though if it is as good as it sounds). Looks very nice but Im pretty sure it will cost at least twice what the Samsung costs. Then again, we only live once dont we... I will wait for some reviews. Very good to know about this monitor. It really does depend on your wallet size. Samsung TN panels are very good for a TN. Ignore whoever it was that claimed you see colour shifts 'glancing' around the screen. You don't. You will see colour and contrast shifts moving your head if you move more than 8" sideways or 5" vertically. If, like most people, your neck is less than a foot long and you don't try to peer behind the screen while playing, you're golden Obviously, using a TN monitor for a TV is a bad idea, but for a computer monitor it's fine. Are TN panel's best? No. Are they cheap and sometime decent? Yes. Would I spend an extra 150$ over my 245bw for general/gaming use if cost was a consideration? No. I would if some minor banding in colours really annoyed me or if I needed better viewing angles. Having lived with the 245 for a while, I would upgrade to an 8-bit 500+$ monitor because I can, not because I need it for gaming and windows use.
ILikeTastyPie Digital assassins	Posted - 2008.08.05 01:35:00 - [20] Nooby question. Im thinking of getting a new monitor, but I need a new tv at the same time to play my ps3 on and...well..generally watch tv. These pc monitors seem to be just tv's these days. Can I hit 2 birds with one stone and buy something that can play my ps3, watch tv and act as a monitor?

F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Celestial Industrial Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.05 04:28:00 - [21] Originally by: Mr Friendly I have the 245bw... it looks like the 2439hm is the same panel, but with a bump up in the contrast ratio and a hdmi port. I can attest to the colour and contrast quality of the 245. It's superb for a TN panel. You could do much worse than a Samsung, tbh. I've got a 245 and it's great. Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said Originally by: Chribba Go F'nog! You're a hero! Not a Zero! /me bows
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2008.08.05 04:55:00 - [22] Originally by: Mr Friendly It really does depend on your wallet size. Samsung TN panels are very good for a TN. Ignore whoever it was that claimed you see colour shifts 'glancing' around the screen. You don't. You will see colour and contrast shifts moving your head if you move more than 8" sideways or 5" vertically. If, like most people, your neck is less than a foot long and you don't try to peer behind the screen while playing, you're golden Obviously, using a TN monitor for a TV is a bad idea, but for a computer monitor it's fine. I said it and was reporting what I hear from others. Partly this is subjective. Some people never notice. Some people notice but don't care. And for some it drives them batty. Read the comments here (below the main article) where various people report the issue. A bit more Googling you can find other reports as well. Obviously your budget determines what you can buy. That said I am amazed at how many people skimp on monitors. It is the primary way you deal with the computer. Paying for some quality is worthwhile IMO if you spend a lot of time using your PC. No need for uber expensive...just a bit more will get you a lot more in quality. Of course again their is what people notice. I notice a distinct difference between my home (good) monitor and my work (cheap) monitor. YMMV -------------------------------------------------- "Of course," said my grandfather, pulling a gun from his belt as he stepped from the Time Machine, "there's no paradox if I shoot you!"
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2008.08.05 05:05:00 - [23] Originally by: ILikeTastyPie Nooby question. Im thinking of getting a new monitor, but I need a new tv at the same time to play my ps3 on and...well..generally watch tv. These pc monitors seem to be just tv's these days. Can I hit 2 birds with one stone and buy something that can play my ps3, watch tv and act as a monitor? TV's tend to be much bigger than most monitors and have less resolution. Can it be done? Sure, it can. I have hooked my PC up to my plasma TV (for a party...put the trippy visualizations up to the music...was pretty cool actually). That said I would never use my PC on that as a daily thing. Likewise PC monitors are not really designed to be TVs. Yes they can do it if you have tuner and some software but usually (not always) monitors do not have remote controls nor do they display the image ideally full screen (that depends on different things). But the really big issue to me is when your GF wants to watch her soap opera you can go play EVE. If the TV and PC are the same thing you are SOL. In short they sort of have some crossover but generally stick with one for each. -------------------------------------------------- "Of course," said my grandfather, pulling a gun from his belt as he stepped from the Time Machine, "there's no paradox if I shoot you!"
Mr Friendly That it Should Come to This	Posted - 2008.08.05 06:51:00 - [24] Originally by: Imperator Jora'h I said it and was reporting what I hear from others. Partly this is subjective. Some people never notice. Some people notice but don't care. And for some it drives them batty. bah, most of the comments are people expecting it to work as a tv or in situations where you show your friend a vid and he's off-axis. On axis (and within reasonable off axis usage as a computer monitor for yourself), there are no issues. It's not a matter of perception or being tolerant of faults, it's just how the 'twisted nemetic' screens are designed.--- it works, it works, it getting a bit dodgy, suddenly it sucks. Naturally, if you need better viewing angles or true 8-bit, look elsewhere. Too many of those people are expecting perfection on the cheap. I certainly agree about spending as much as you can comfortably afford on a monitor. Nearly everything else routes thru it, so it just makes sense. On my end, my local store has 245bw's for 350 of my local scratch. I'm actually considering buying another since I do like them quite a bit. Whereas I would not buy another Acer until they upgrade their panels...
Mr Friendly That it Should Come to This	Posted - 2008.08.05 07:01:00 - [25] Originally by: ILikeTastyPie Nooby question. Im thinking of getting a new monitor, but I need a new tv at the same time to play my ps3 on and...well..generally watch tv. These pc monitors seem to be just tv's these days. Can I hit 2 birds with one stone and buy something that can play my ps3, watch tv and act as a monitor? I was thinking of this the other day, actually. Short answer: yes. Slightly longer: spend money and go big. long: sure, so long as you buy a 1080p, preferably with 120 hz scanning, at least 37" (though you'll likely not find many 1080p in 37"), and expect to spend around 1200-1500 can$ plus. If you spend less, you end up compromising on resolution, screen quality or size. Given a tv is used for years rather than a year or two like most monitors, buy features you will be using today and next year. As for specific brands, everyones an expert. Your best bet is to go to a quality shop, look at various screens and sizes, then research them through places like avforums (or is it avsforums?). Please, don't cheap out and get a 1080i/720p set or lower...you'll just be throwing your money away in the end. If you are a bit broke, get a nice monitor and use it as a tv:) Even if it's smaller than most HD tvs, you'll still get decent quality and features for 500$...more so than if you spent 500-600$ on a tv.
Qui Shon	Posted - 2008.08.05 10:28:00 - [26] Maybe most panels are better these days, but after looking at my friends 24" Dell of older model type ghosting or afterglow was a real issue with it. So I got a rather surprising (to me) Iiyama Prolite B2403WS 3ms TN, largely based on this favorable review: compared against the Samsung 245T here. The review is from last fall, almost a year old. Check out the color rendering on page 2 though. Or the Iolair MB24W vs Dell 2408WFP review here How many of you have a decent colorimeter, or access to one, and how many will actually calibrate your monitors?
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2008.08.05 15:31:00 - [27] Originally by: Qui Shon Maybe most panels are better these days, but after looking at my friends 24" Dell of older model type ghosting or afterglow was a real issue with it. So I got a rather surprising (to me) Iiyama Prolite B2403WS 3ms TN, largely based on this favorable review: compared against the Samsung 245T here. The review is from last fall, almost a year old. Check out the color rendering on page 2 though. Or the Iolair MB24W vs Dell 2408WFP review here How many of you have a decent colorimeter, or access to one, and how many will actually calibrate your monitors? Interesting article. Ive never even heard of Iolair before. Goes to show that you should not buy a monitor based on brand alone. --- Originally by: Roguehalo Can you nano Titans?

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