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Zurin Arctus	Posted - 2008.08.03 19:13:00 - [1] Edited by: Zurin Arctus on 03/08/2008 19:15:23 This nano nerf is not going to be gamebreaking, nor will it result in people who have trained for very long periods of time being unable to do anything constructive with their ships. Vagabonds will still be capable, as will the other 'nano ships.' This nerf is intended to stop the abuse of nano-gangs, which sometimes becomes so severe that some alliances (ahem, TRI, PL) use this tactic, and little else.
Elhina Novae Amarr Destruction Reborn CORPVS DELICTI	Posted - 2008.08.03 19:14:00 - [2] First in whine thread(?) nr.1067 ------------ Somebody set up us the bomb
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.03 19:15:00 - [3] Originally by: Zurin Arctus Posters are not smart.
Zurin Arctus	Posted - 2008.08.03 19:16:00 - [4] Originally by: AstroPhobic Originally by: Zurin Arctus Posters are not smart. Because accidentally hitting the enter key makes me a ******, amirite? Off to the biomass queue with you, forum whining alt.
Elhina Novae Amarr Destruction Reborn CORPVS DELICTI	Posted - 2008.08.03 19:19:00 - [5] Originally by: Zurin Arctus Originally by: AstroPhobic Originally by: Zurin Arctus Posters are not smart. Because accidentally hitting the enter key makes me a ******, amirite? Off to the biomass queue with you, forum whining alt. Iam currently eating Noodles with Chicken, curry and sweet chili while reading eve forums how about you? ------------ Somebody set up us the bomb
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.03 19:20:00 - [6] Originally by: Zurin Arctus Because accidentally hitting the enter key makes me a ******, amirite? Off to the biomass queue with you, forum whining alt. Stupid Post Title With All Capital Letters And Lack Of Content Want To Sell 30m SP Forum Alt
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.03 19:21:00 - [7] Edited by: AstroPhobic on 03/08/2008 19:24:49 Originally by: Zurin Arctus Edited by: Zurin Arctus on 03/08/2008 19:19:27 Edited by: Zurin Arctus on 03/08/2008 19:15:23 This nano nerf is not going to be gamebreaking, nor will it result in people who have trained for very long periods of time being unable to do anything constructive with their ships. Vagabonds will still be capable, as will the other 'nano ships.' This nerf is intended to stop the abuse of nano-gangs, which sometimes becomes so severe that some alliances (ahem, TRI, PL) use this tactic, and little else. So stop thinking public outcry (that is, getting on all of your alts and whining endlessly) will cow CCP. If the changes are excessive, CCP will adjust them appropriately, but the alarmist threads on "the death of nano-ships" are way out of line. This is an adjustment to make combat more balanced and enjoyable for everyone in the eve universe. Nano pilots, try flying something other than a vagabond or nano-tar sometime. You might enjoy it. This Has Nothing To Do With Vagabonds Being Carriers. Edit: Does this really deserve it's own thread? The anti-nano forum whiners have clogged half S+M up with "I told you so" "Learn 2 adapt LOLOLO" and "NOW U DONT HAVE UR IVINISBLE SHIPS HAHAHA" threads. You feel like your input is worth something? How about put it in a vaga thread.
Zurin Arctus	Posted - 2008.08.03 19:26:00 - [8] Edited by: Zurin Arctus on 03/08/2008 19:27:28 Quote: This Has Nothing To Do With Vagabonds Being Carriers. It does, actually. Remember the carrier nerf, and how a huge outcry sort of stayed the nerfbat? Nano pilots seem to be expecting the same thing here, and I imagine they'll be angry if they don't get their way. But the point I was trying to get across is that this is a completely different situation. Nano-HACs are much cheaper and quicker in terms of skills, and even if you no longer want to fly a vagabond after the patch, you can still fly a rupture, with some playstyle adjustments. Wouldn't have been the case for carriers. Also, the nano mechanic is skewing the balance of PvP much more than carriers ever could have. Another difference someone pointed out to me which I'll repeat is that I don't even remember anyone that was in favor of the carrier nerf. The nano nerf, however, is supported by around half of the EVE playerbase. Oh, by the way. If you don't think this thread should exist, you're certainly not helping by bumping it over and over.
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.03 19:33:00 - [9] Originally by: Zurin Arctus Edited by: Zurin Arctus on 03/08/2008 19:27:28 Quote: This Has Nothing To Do With Vagabonds Being Carriers. It does, actually. Remember the carrier nerf, and how a huge outcry sort of stayed the nerfbat? Nano pilots seem to be expecting the same thing here, and I imagine they'll be angry if they don't get their way. But the point I was trying to get across is that this is a completely different situation. No kidding, this is nothing like the carrier nerf. I don't even know why you're comparing the two. Quote: Nano-HACs are much cheaper and quicker in terms of skills Still not seeing any relation. Public outcry happens after any nerf, this is no different. Quote: and even if you no longer want to fly a vagabond after the patch, you can still fly a rupture I'm glad that now CCP killed all of our T2 Cruiser/BCs with the fine exception of the broadsword. It's okay, I never wanted BC 5, Cruiser 5 or any of that. I'll stick to flying 5 mil ruptures. Quote: with some playstyle adjustments While the other nano-hacs can go back to whatever they were before (Zealot a sniper, sacri a missile spamming tank, cerberus useless, etc), minmatar can't, because there wasn't anything before. There's two options for minnie: Speed or die. There's two noteable exceptions which are the rupture and hurricane, which survive only on their double damage bonus and stuffing as much buffer as they can into a tiny ship. Quote: Wouldn't have been the case for carriers. Also, the nano mechanic is skewing the balance of PvP much more than carriers ever could have. Yeah, and now it's a game of numbers again. How many pilots are in YOUR gatecamp? Quote: Another difference someone pointed out to me which I'll repeat is that I don't even remember anyone that was in favor of the carrier nerf. The nano nerf, however, is supported by around half of the EVE playerbase. Carriers weren't even widespread then, and the first pilots were outspoken against CCP taken the hammer to their new toys. Quote: Oh, by the way. If you don't think this thread should exist, you're certainly not helping by bumping it over and over. The masses need education
Zurin Arctus	Posted - 2008.08.03 19:40:00 - [10] Edited by: Zurin Arctus on 03/08/2008 19:43:51 Quote: No kidding, this is nothing like the carrier nerf. I don't even know why you're comparing the two. Probably because several blubbering nano pilots like yourself have asked me why CCP isn't listening like they did to the carrier pilots? Quote: I'm glad that now CCP killed all of our T2 Cruiser/BCs with the fine exception of the broadsword. It's okay, I never wanted BC 5, Cruiser 5 or any of that. I'll stick to flying 5 mil ruptures. Killed your T2 BC's, did they? Now I imagine you know how Gallente pilots feel. As far as HACs go, what's wrong with the Muninn again? Quote: Yeah, and now it's a game of numbers again. How many pilots are in YOUR gatecamp? Because nano-gangs made it about skill.

Stab Wounds Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.08.03 19:45:00 - [11] vaga pilots and all nano*s need to fit a normal tank sit there and fight like the rest of us. stop whinng nano*s and learn 2play this game correctly without exploits.
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.03 19:47:00 - [12] Originally by: Zurin Arctus Probably because several blubbering nano pilots like yourself have asked me why CCP isn't listening like they did to the carrier pilots? I'm sorry I care about balance. What's minmatar's strong point without speed again? "Versatility"? Quote: your T2 BC's, did they? Now I imagine you know how Gallente pilots feel. Right, because blasterboats got hurt makes it okay to eliminate the entire minnie race. The only good part of the sleipnir was the nano, without it it has a 2-3 minute tank and 600 DPS. Woohoo. The claymore's bonuses are now a lot less useful too. Quote: Oh, What's wrong with the Muninn again? It's tied with the cerberus for being the least useful HAC? It's awful. Zealot and Eagle are much better snipers, and the hurricane does everything it does (minus a small bit of tracking) for 1/3rd the price, if not less. Quote: Because nano-gangs made it about skill. Someone's never flown a nano ship, had to manually pilot, mauever between camps, keep out of webrange, watch for rapiers, watch for anything with a heavy neut, find a spot to slow down to actually SHOOT, until something charges you with a web, at which point you have to run off. Vagabonds aren't sacrileges or ishtars, they dont just MWD around and forget about transversal.
Liang Nuren Perkone	Posted - 2008.08.03 19:47:00 - [13] Originally by: Zurin Arctus As far as HACs go, what's wrong with the Muninn again? The question is more what isn't wrong with the Muninn. -Liang -- I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent. -- Mahatma Gandhi
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.03 19:48:00 - [14] Originally by: Stab Wounds vaga pilots and all nano*s need to fit a normal tank sit there and fight like the rest of us. Yeah, have fun tanking a vaga. Oh wait, you only fly caldari. Quote: stop whinng nano*s and learn 2play this game correctly without exploits. CCP made these changes to speed modules, so why don't you complain to them that they're developing 'sploits for their own game?
Yar0 Russian Thunder Squad Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.08.03 19:52:00 - [15] Originally by: Zurin Arctus Edited by: Zurin Arctus on 03/08/2008 19:27:28 Quote: This Has Nothing To Do With Vagabonds Being Carriers. It does, actually. Remember the carrier nerf, and how a huge outcry sort of stayed the nerfbat? Nano pilots seem to be expecting the same thing here, and I imagine they'll be angry if they don't get their way. But the point I was trying to get across is that this is a completely different situation. Nano-HACs are much cheaper and quicker in terms of skills, and even if you no longer want to fly a vagabond after the patch, you can still fly a rupture, with some playstyle adjustments. Wouldn't have been the case for carriers. Also, the nano mechanic is skewing the balance of PvP much more than carriers ever could have. Another difference someone pointed out to me which I'll repeat is that I don't even remember anyone that was in favor of the carrier nerf. The nano nerf, however, is supported by around half of the EVE playerbase. Oh, by the way. If you don't think this thread should exist, you're certainly not helping by bumping it over and over. This nerf is supported by idiots like you, who cannot do anything VS nanoships, because you are c..p ! And you use forums to get rid of those ships !
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2008.08.03 19:54:00 - [16] Originally by: Yar0 This nerf is supported by idiots like you, who cannot do anything VS nanoships, because you are c..p ! And you use forums to get rid of those ships ! Adapt. ----------------------------------------- [Video] I'm a soldier, so remember the name
Liang Nuren Perkone	Posted - 2008.08.03 19:55:00 - [17] TBH guys we all knew a nano nerf was coming. All of us. It was inevitable. Did CCP need to nerf battleships that didn't nano? Did they need to further nerf blasters? Did they need to further nerf autocannons? Meh, all I've got to say is that Caldari/Amarr BS 5 is FTFW after the patch goes in. Oh, and I do have BS5 on three characters. ;-) -Liang -- I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent. -- Mahatma Gandhi
Atsuko Ratu Caldari VSP Corp.	Posted - 2008.08.03 20:01:00 - [18] Edited by: Atsuko Ratu on 03/08/2008 20:03:24 What's a command ship? Keep in mind, I do fly Caldari. Originally by: Zurin Arctus So stop thinking public outcry (that is, getting on all of your alts and whining endlessly)
Liang Nuren Perkone	Posted - 2008.08.03 20:04:00 - [19] Originally by: Atsuko Ratu What's a command ship? Keep in mind, I do fly Caldari. Honestly, the Caldari command ships are second best after this patch. So it's really going to be "What's a command ship? Keep in mind, I play Eve." -Liang -- I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent. -- Mahatma Gandhi
Yar0 Russian Thunder Squad Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.08.03 20:05:00 - [20] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Yar0 This nerf is supported by idiots like you, who cannot do anything VS nanoships, because you are c..p ! And you use forums to get rid of those ships ! Adapt. or quit

Atsuko Ratu Caldari VSP Corp.	Posted - 2008.08.03 20:06:00 - [21] Originally by: Liang Nuren Honestly, the Caldari command ships are second best after this patch. So it's really going to be "What's a command ship? Keep in mind, I play Eve." -Liang True true, but saying the Sleip (in general, not specially you) will be totally ruined and will need a 100% makeover is kind of ironic, considering at least half of the command ships have been horribly underpowered for over a year.
Liang Nuren Perkone	Posted - 2008.08.03 20:12:00 - [22] Originally by: Atsuko Ratu True true, but saying the Sleip (in general, not specially you) will be totally ruined and will need a 100% makeover is kind of ironic, considering at least half of the command ships have been horribly underpowered for over a year. They've all been nerfed within the last year. -Liang Fake edit: Oh, the Damnation and Absolution received a couple of pretty hefty boosts in the last year. -- I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent. -- Mahatma Gandhi
Atsuko Ratu Caldari VSP Corp.	Posted - 2008.08.03 20:17:00 - [23] Originally by: Liang Nuren They've all been nerfed within the last year. -Liang Fake edit: Oh, the Damnation and Absolution received a couple of pretty hefty boosts in the last year. Just because something is nerfed doesn't mean it deserved it. You should know that by now
Liang Nuren Perkone	Posted - 2008.08.03 20:20:00 - [24] Originally by: Atsuko Ratu Just because something is nerfed doesn't mean it deserved it. You should know that by now Ha, of course I know it. If it were just a straight nano nerf I'd kinda be looking forward to this patch. Damn shame what it's turned into. :p -Liang -- I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent. -- Mahatma Gandhi
Elhina Novae Amarr Destruction Reborn CORPVS DELICTI	Posted - 2008.08.03 20:21:00 - [25] Sometimes I wonder if people actually bother with Singularity... You can still have fun with speed pew pew and even survive in webrange using an Afterburner and blah blah. ------------ Somebody set up us the bomb
Liang Nuren Perkone	Posted - 2008.08.03 20:22:00 - [26] Edited by: Liang Nuren on 03/08/2008 20:23:02 Originally by: Elhina Novae Sometimes I wonder if people actually bother with Singularity... You can still have fun with speed pew pew and even survive in webrange using an Afterburner and blah blah. ORLY? My raven says you can't. :) -Liang Ed: And I'm not even going to talk about what my neut domi will do to your tank. :) -- I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent. -- Mahatma Gandhi
Artemis Rose Odd End of the Universe	Posted - 2008.08.03 20:52:00 - [27] Originally by: Yar0 or quit I suggest you find a video game retailer, so you can buy some nice single player (or some console) games that never get patched and change your gameplay one tiny bit then. __________________________________________________ Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine. WTB Purple Nerf Bat.
DarthJosh DEATHFUNK R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.08.03 21:54:00 - [28] Originally by: Liang Nuren Edited by: Liang Nuren on 03/08/2008 20:23:02 Originally by: Elhina Novae Sometimes I wonder if people actually bother with Singularity... You can still have fun with speed pew pew and even survive in webrange using an Afterburner and blah blah. ORLY? My raven says you can't. :) -Liang Ed: And I'm not even going to talk about what my neut domi will do to your tank. :) isn't BS supposed to kill some if not most ships smaller in class? hmmm ? Balanced? I believe so! - Desusigs!
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.08.03 22:05:00 - [29] Originally by: DarthJosh isn't BS supposed to kill some if not most ships smaller in class? hmmm ? No. Originally by: CCP Wrangler We are pleased to aim! Or was that the other way around?
Liang Nuren Perkone	Posted - 2008.08.04 02:20:00 - [30] Originally by: DarthJosh isn't BS supposed to kill some if not most ships smaller in class? hmmm ? Balanced? I believe so! Tell that the turret BS's? Short answer: No. -Liang -- I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent. -- Mahatma Gandhi

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